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FuzzNJ Offline
#151 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 10:12 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Which gets back to my original question which spawned outrage.....

How much money is medicare for all worth to you? There is going to be a big bill to pay to accomplish it and nobody can honestly believe it is zero cost.

If it costs you an EXTRA $1000/yr is it worth it? $1000? $10000? Remember, it is as important as national defense so money should be no object.


I already pay much more than 1k. And national defense is not a money is no object expense either.
wheelrite Offline
#152 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 10:14 PM EST
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tweoijfoi wrote:
That's very good for you. And I agree in that we all need to pay for our healthcare. I'm 24. I was without health insurance for about 8 months 2 years ago. I'm just happy I was healthy and I didn't need it. It was a calculated risk. It would have cost me more (very little) to pay for limited healthcare for that span. I worked and went to school during that time. I would've paid for it but it would have set me back several years.

My problem with healthcare is this... About 4 years ago I had a benign lump removed. Just a fatty tissue; from my arm. Luckily I was under my parents insurance at the time. If I had not been, it would have cost about $4,000. When I went for my operation there was a surgeon, a nurse, and an anesthesiologist. From the time I walked in to the operate room to the time I left it was about 35 minutes. It was a routine operation and I was unconscious for about 25 minutes. How did that cost $4,000? Something is wrong.

My mother felt like was having heart palpitations a few months ago. She went to the hospital because she feared for her life. She got a device to monitor her heartbeat, was observed for 12 hours, then release (with the device) for another 72 hours. There was some confusion with the insurance company, and initially my family thought they'd owe about $15,000 for this. There was no surgery or complex procedures. Something is wrong.

There are countless other cases like these. Simple procedures supposedly costing thousands of dollars when the interaction with actual doctors took only minutes. What is going on?

I'm not saying people shouldn't save, or that some people aren't responsible and do not. I save. Over 15% of my income goes straight into savings, and I'd give more if I could, but student loan payments, and other things take up more than I'd like.

The fact of the matter is, how much you save matters little when simple procedures cost so much. It's ridiculous and needs to be fixed. Insurance is a buffer between us and the insane costs. I wish everyone could afford it, but really the question is... why do we need this buffer? Why do simple procedures cost SO much?


Bro,you are very young and naive.
My wife is a medical professional.The people who perform your 'simple procedures are highly trained and the facilities and equipment cost alot.Having a tumor removed or a Heart problem investigated is not a simple procedure.You got top notch treatment immediately,did'nt have to wait.

welcome to the adult world..

wheel,,
wheelrite Offline
#153 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 10:17 PM EST
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Btw,,

When I was 24,
I had 2 children,a stay at home wife and had my 1st home built.All by myself.

maybe I'm different,,,
tailgater Offline
#154 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 10:20 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Countries with universal health care:

Norway
New Zealand
Japan
Germany
Belgium
England
Kuwait
Sweden
Bahrain
Brunei
Canada
Netherlands
Austria
Uae
Finland
Slovenia
Denmark
Luxembourg
France
Australia
Ireland
Italy
Portugal
Cyprus
Greece
Spain
South Korea
Iceland
Hong Kong
Singapore
Switzerland
Israel



Universal healthcare, in theory, is actually a decent concept.

IF it were run by an efficient organization, then I could accept the pros (lower costs) and cons (limiited coverage to the basics and emergencies only).

But does anyone here think the US Federal Government is even a tiny bit efficient?
And I won't even mention the special interest influences.
OK. I will.
Think about this for a moment:
The government subsidizes company A for cancer research. The results are marginal, but since the same government pays for your insuarance, who's treatment will get approved when you need it?

Hell, we see this now, but on a much smaller scale. I still laugh at the time I was handed a prescription for Allegra. It was written on an Allegra note pad.
Again: real life facts without the bias. The whole story is even more corrupt, but the point is plain to see.
HockeyDad Offline
#155 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 10:21 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
I already pay much more than 1k. And national defense is not a money is no object expense either.



The question is how much more are you willing to pay than you already pay for whatever your current health care coverage is. You already got yours, this is about everyone else.


We all need to kick in above and beyond to achieve the noble goal of medicare for all.
wheelrite Offline
#156 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 10:26 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Universal healthcare, in theory, is actually a decent concept.

IF it were run by an efficient organization, then I could accept the pros (lower costs) and cons (limiited coverage to the basics and emergencies only).

But does anyone here think the US Federal Government is even a tiny bit efficient?
And I won't even mention the special interest influences.
OK. I will.
Think about this for a moment:
The government subsidizes company A for cancer research. The results are marginal, but since the same government pays for your insuarance, who's treatment will get approved when you need it?

Hell, we see this now, but on a much smaller scale. I still laugh at the time I was handed a prescription for Allegra. It was written on an Allegra note pad.
Again: real life facts without the bias. The whole story is even more corrupt, but the point is plain to see.



A Straw argumnet,,,
The EU is crumbling under the weight of socilaism.Have you heard of austerity ?
The Obama administration is passing those countries on the escalator of financial ruin.They're cutting back while Barry is killing or economic future ...
FuzzNJ Offline
#157 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 10:30 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
The question is how much more are you willing to pay than you already pay for whatever your current health care coverage is. You already got yours, this is about everyone else.


We all need to kick in above and beyond to achieve the noble goal of medicare for all.


Not if done right. 30% of what we pay now, at least, goes to overhead and profit and bonuses etc. A government program with a much larger pool of people would lower that by 25%. No need for the profit margin or huge bonuses. The larger pool would spread the risk around and it would be able to negotiate lower prices because of sheer bulk.
HockeyDad Offline
#158 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 10:30 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Countries with universal health care:

Norway
New Zealand
Japan
Germany
Belgium
England
Kuwait
Sweden
Bahrain
Brunei
Canada
Netherlands
Austria
Uae
Finland
Slovenia
Denmark
Luxembourg
France
Australia
Ireland
Italy
Portugal
Cyprus
Greece
Spain
South Korea
Iceland
Hong Kong
Singapore
Switzerland
Israel




It is a nice list. Has anyone every needed healthcare in one of the systems or know what the per person cost is?
FuzzNJ Offline
#159 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 10:31 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
A Straw argumnet,,,
The EU is crumbling under the weight of socilaism.Have you heard of austerity ?
The Obama administration is passing those countries on the escalator of financial ruin.They're cutting back while Barry is killing or economic future ...


And the first thing they are cutting is health care. Right?
FuzzNJ Offline
#160 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 10:31 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
It is a nice list. Has anyone every needed healthcare in one of the systems or know what the per person cost is?



at least 1/2 of ours.
HockeyDad Offline
#161 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 10:32 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Not if done right. 30% of what we pay now, at least, goes to overhead and profit and bonuses etc. A government program with a much larger pool of people would lower that by 25%. No need for the profit margin or huge bonuses. The larger pool would spread the risk around and it would be able to negotiate lower prices because of sheer bulk.



98.2%
HockeyDad Offline
#162 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 10:33 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
at least 1/2 of ours.



Right, so you don't know. OK.
wheelrite Offline
#163 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 10:33 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Not if done right. 30% of what we pay now, at least, goes to overhead and profit and bonuses etc. A government program with a much larger pool of people would lower that by 25%. No need for the profit margin or huge bonuses. The larger pool would spread the risk around and it would be able to negotiate lower prices because of sheer bulk.



Really ???

your stats and data ,please..

That's as laughable as Pelosi and Obama saying Obama Care would reduce the defecit and create jobs..

lol

wheel,
HockeyDad Offline
#164 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 10:34 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
And the first thing they are cutting is health care. Right?



No. They're going after social security.
tweoijfoi Offline
#165 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 10:35 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
Bro,you are very young and naive.
My wife is a medical professional.The people who perform your 'simple procedures are highly trained and the facilities and equipment cost alot.Having a tumor removed or a Heart problem investigated is not a simple procedure.You got top notch treatment immediately,did'nt have to wait.

welcome to the adult world..

wheel,,


Fatty tissue removed. Not a tumor (to quote in Arnorld's voice)

Being generous and saying they had an hour each to prepare for the operation, for a total of 2 hours each, that's $666 per hour per person in the room. Even accounting for the room and sanitary tools, it just doesn't add up. How do you justify it? Anethesia was used. 10 stitches. Nothing else.
wheelrite Offline
#166 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 10:35 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
And the first thing they are cutting is health care. Right?


so ?
HockeyDad Offline
#167 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 10:37 PM EST
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tweoijfoi wrote:
Fatty tissue removed. Not a tumor (to quote in Arnorld's voice)

Being generous and saying they had an hour each to prepare for the operation, for a total of 2 hours each, that's $666 per hour per person in the room. Even accounting for the room and sanitary tools, it just doesn't add up. How do you justify it? Anethesia was used. 10 stitches. Nothing else.




So what was the real rate the insurance company paid? The invoice you saw was not it. That was likely for tax purposes.
FuzzNJ Offline
#168 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 10:39 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Right, so you don't know. OK.


No, I do. We pay twice as much as anyone else in the world. So logic would dictate that we would pay at least twice as much as anyone on that list.
wheelrite Offline
#169 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 10:39 PM EST
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tweoijfoi wrote:
Fatty tissue removed. Not a tumor (to quote in Arnorld's voice)

Being generous and saying they had an hour each to prepare for the operation, for a total of 2 hours each, that's $666 per hour per person in the room. Even accounting for the room and sanitary tools, it just doesn't add up. How do you justify it? Anethesia was used. 10 stitches. Nothing else.


well,,
look at this way..

You borrowed a ton of money for a College Education. did they over charge you ? I would think so. But Big education is a Liberal Bastion and therefore price is no object.

???

wheel,,
wheelrite Offline
#170 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 10:43 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
So what was the real rate the insurance company paid? The invoice you saw was not it. That was likely for tax purposes.


HD ,he's young,idyllic and not wise to the real world,which is quaint.
Once he begins to pay big taxes he'll get it..
FuzzNJ Offline
#171 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 10:43 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
Really ???

your stats and data ,please..

That's as laughable as Pelosi and Obama saying Obama Care would reduce the defecit and create jobs..

lol

wheel,


I'm sorry. You're right. I remembered wrong. It's actually 31%. Sorry for rounding.

From the New England Journal of Medicine:

http://www.pnhp.org/publications/nejmadmin.pdf
FuzzNJ Offline
#172 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 10:44 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
No. They're going after social security.


Pensions first.

My parents are still receiving benefits from their work in Germany and Switzerland in the 50's.
HockeyDad Offline
#173 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 10:44 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
No, I do. We pay twice as much as anyone else in the world. So logic would dictate that we would pay at least twice as much as anyone on that list.



Another 98.2% fact.
FuzzNJ Offline
#174 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 10:45 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Another 98.2% fact.


Really? Continue to play dumb ass if you want. Doesn't matter to me at all.
FuzzNJ Offline
#175 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 10:46 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
well,,
look at this way..

You borrowed a ton of money for a College Education. did they over charge you ? I would think so. But Big education is a Liberal Bastion and therefore price is no object.

???

wheel,,


Well, that's true. Facts are well known to have a liberal bias.
wheelrite Offline
#176 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 10:46 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
I'm sorry. You're right. I remembered wrong. It's actually 31%. Sorry for rounding.

From the New England Journal of Medicine:

http://www.pnhp.org/publications/nejmadmin.pdf


Right and The AMA backed Obama Care too.

Now they have 2nd thoughts..
HockeyDad Offline
#177 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 10:47 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
I'm sorry. You're right. I remembered wrong. It's actually 31%. Sorry for rounding.

From the New England Journal of Medicine:

http://www.pnhp.org/publications/nejmadmin.pdf




So you made up the 25% number!
FuzzNJ Offline
#178 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 10:48 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
HD ,he's young,idyllic and not wise to the real world,which is quaint.
Once he begins to pay big taxes he'll get it..


lmao, you big player you.
wheelrite Offline
#179 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 10:48 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Well, that's true. Facts are well known to have a liberal bias.


which facts ?
HockeyDad Offline
#180 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 10:49 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Really? Continue to play dumb ass if you want. Doesn't matter to me at all.




Oh here goes with the name calling. You're making up facts.


But you never could put a price tag on your medicare for all.
wheelrite Offline
#181 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 10:49 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
lmao, you big player you.


player ?,no...

over taxed,,,

yes..
FuzzNJ Offline
#182 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 10:50 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
Right and The AMA backed Obama Care too.

Now they have 2nd thoughts..


And the New England Journal of Medicine's report on Insurance company's overhead has what to do with the AMA exactly?
tweoijfoi Offline
#183 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 10:50 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
well,,
look at this way..

You borrowed a ton of money for a College Education. did they over charge you ? I would think so. But Big education is a Liberal Bastion and therefore price is no object.

???

wheel,,


How does college loans have anything to do with medical costs?

You are diverting the subject.

I'll add that for my mother's treatment they originally asked for $25,000... but the insurance company bargained them down to $15,000. How does that make sense? If we didn't have insurance, we would have had to pay $25,000, but our insurers only had to pay $15,000 (actually we paid some out of pocket as well). $25,000 for 72 hours of observation.

The answer: hospitals can ask for whatever they want without consequence.
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#184 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 10:53 PM EST
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Well good night...

I have to wake up early and provide for the less fortunate tomorrow..

Those here who don't ,turn out the lights when you finally retire...


sweet Conservative dreams to all..


wheel,
tweoijfoi Offline
#185 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 10:55 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
Well good night...

I have to wake up early and provide for the less fortunate tomorrow..

Those here who don't ,turn out the lights when you finally retire...


sweet Conservative dreams to all..


wheel,


Good night, sweet prince. I'll see you at 6am.
FuzzNJ Offline
#186 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 10:57 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
So you made up the 25% number!




Heh, no, if anything I over-estimated the 5%.
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#187 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 10:58 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
which facts ?


All of them apparently. Education is liberal indoctrination according to you. I can see why you pushed your son into a military career now instead of college.
wheelrite Offline
#188 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 10:59 PM EST
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tweoijfoi wrote:
How does college loans have anything to do with medical costs?

You are diverting the subject.

I'll add that for my mother's treatment they originally asked for $25,000... but the insurance company bargained them down to $15,000. How does that make sense? If we didn't have insurance, we would have had to pay $25,000, but our insurers only had to pay $15,000 (actually we paid some out of pocket as well). $25,000 for 72 hours of observation.

The answer: hospitals can ask for whatever they want without consequence.


ok,,,

real quick,,,

You only rant about healthcare expenses. Is right to charge a kid $150,000 for a Bachelor's degree in Philosophy ?
A worthless degree.
Btw,
If you ever go to the business office at a hospital and pay cash,you bet your azz they'll make you a better deal...
Would Harvard do that ???

You have selective outrage..

now I'm off to bed..
FuzzNJ Offline
#189 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 11:00 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
player ?,no...

over taxed,,,

yes..


Because you earned it all by yourself with no help from anyone or anything right? It was all you!
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#190 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 11:06 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
All of them apparently. Education is liberal indoctrination according to you. I can see why you pushed your son into a military career now instead of college.


FYI,Dickhead..

My son had a full ride academic/athletic scholarship to the TX A&M Maritime Academy and to VMI.He chose A&M.He attended two semesters had a 3.5 gpa. He decidedto serve our country all by himself. He is a a fine young man.My daughter graduated in 4yrs from TX A&M,which we paid for.

maybe in spite of you ,your children should hope to turn out as well,,,

your an ****..
FuzzNJ Offline
#191 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 11:07 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
Well good night...

I have to wake up early and provide for the less fortunate tomorrow..

Those here who don't ,turn out the lights when you finally retire...


sweet Conservative dreams to all..


wheel,


No you don't. You work to provide for you and your family. You pay taxes because you are part of this great, soon to be former great, society. You should be proud of that, but you are not. You are a selfish, ungrateful b*stard who thinks he is some sort of hero with a golden ticket to heaven earned by stepping on the less fortunate. You are a fraud and a fake christian who thinks only of his desires and pleasures, yet hide behind a sanctimonious facade. You couldn't fit through the eye of the needle my friend.
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#192 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 11:08 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Because you earned it all by yourself with no help from anyone or anything right? It was all you!


every penny...
FuzzNJ Offline
#193 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 11:09 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
FYI,Dickhead..

My son had a full ride academic/athletic scholarship to the TX A&M Maritime Academy and to VMI.He chose A&M.He attended two semesters had a 3.5 gpa. He decidedto serve our country all by himself. He is a a fine young man.My daughter graduated in 4yrs from TX A&M,which we paid for.

maybe in spite of you ,your children should hope to turn out as well,,,

your an ****..


No scholarships?

And back at ya, you sanctimonious drunkard.
FuzzNJ Offline
#194 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 11:10 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
every penny...


Delusional. Go to Somolia and see if you could do the same. Lot's of freedom there.
wheelrite Offline
#195 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 11:14 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
No you don't. You work to provide for you and your family. You pay taxes because you are part of this great, soon to be former great, society. You should be proud of that, but you are not. You are a selfish, ungrateful b*stard who thinks he is some sort of hero with a golden ticket to heaven earned by stepping on the less fortunate. You are a fraud and a fake christian who thinks only of his desires and pleasures, yet hide behind a sanctimonious facade. You couldn't fit through the eye of the needle my friend.


says the atheist pro baby murderer..

you bore me...

btw,,

you are a leech,You live off the sweat and toil of others. Losers like you are a dime a dozen.. You have never impressed me and you have accomplished nothing,obviously..

so good night Vladimir..
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#196 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 11:16 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
ok,,,

real quick,,,

You only rant about healthcare expenses. Is right to charge a kid $150,000 for a Bachelor's degree in Philosophy ?
A worthless degree.
Btw,
If you ever go to the business office at a hospital and pay cash,you bet your azz they'll make you a better deal...
Would Harvard do that ???

You have selective outrage..

now I'm off to bed..


No, it's not right to charge a kid $150,000 for a bachelor's in philosophy. Then again, it's their choice. They don't have to do it to continue living. Apples and oranges. I'm asking you (I don't know), what percentage of American's have, $10k in liquid savings? $20k? $30k? When I say liquid, I mean immediable accessible for situations like the ones are discussing.
FuzzNJ Offline
#197 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 11:20 PM EST
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wheelrite wrote:
says the atheist pro baby murderer..

you bore me...

btw,,

you are a leech,You live off the sweat and toil of others. Losers like you are a dime a dozen.. You have never impressed me and you have accomplished nothing,obviously..

so good night Vladimir..


lol, it must kill you that I could buy and sell you with just the money in my kid's college accounts and I'm just a 'non-producer', yet I still want everyone to be treated with dignity, respect and fairly. You feel like you have to work so hard for everything and make it all by yourself (bs) and think that everyone else must just suffer unless they are just like you. What a pathetic existence, especially for someone who keeps telling everyone he's such a 'moral' catholic. Again, you are just a fraud. Jesus, the man, would be disapointed as he was a rebel liberal. Jesus the god, never existed.
FuzzNJ Offline
#198 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 11:22 PM EST
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tweoijfoi wrote:
No, it's not right to charge a kid $150,000 for a bachelor's in philosophy. Then again, it's their choice. They don't have to do it to continue living. Apples and oranges. I'm asking you (I don't know), what percentage of American's have, $10k in liquid savings? $20k? $30k? When I say liquid, I mean immediable accessible for situations like the ones are discussing.


Who cares? If they don't, f em. They die.
MACS Offline
#199 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 11:26 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Any truth to the rumor that in-between showers, yard time, watching tv and going to the library that he's going to get his law degree too?


*sigh*

It's friggin summer camp with free health care. Free for them. WE **** pay for it.
FuzzNJ Offline
#200 Posted: Thu, Jun 23 2011, 11:36 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
*sigh*

It's friggin summer camp with free health care. Free for them. WE **** pay for it.


I paid for the death of 100's of thousands of innocent Iraqi's. I'm pretty f*cking pissed off about that. How about you?

I'd rather spend that money on rehabilitating drug addicts in this country than killing innocent people all over the damn world, but hey, that's me.

Summer camp my ass.
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