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HockeyDad Offline
#401 Posted: Mon, Oct 24 2011, 3:13 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
They are having what they call 'teach ins' where people who are experts in their fields come down and speak and answer questions so everyone can learn. I find this refreshing and honest.



Have you gone to listen or as a speaker?

I haven't. They can't afford my fee.
FuzzNJ Offline
#402 Posted: Mon, Oct 24 2011, 3:20 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Have you gone to listen or as a speaker?

I haven't.


Me neither. I have watched a few of the videos though. Some interesting stuff.

HockeyDad wrote:

They can't afford my fee.



Isn't that super.
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#403 Posted: Mon, Oct 24 2011, 3:23 PM EST
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My wife just made me go into the attic to retrieve a comfortor that was stored in the guest bedroom and I'm grumpy because I don't like going into the attic.
HockeyDad Offline
#404 Posted: Mon, Oct 24 2011, 3:24 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
My wife just made me go into the attic to retrieve a comfortor that was stored in the guest bedroom and I'm grumpy because I don't like going into the attic.



It is better than going back into the closet.
ZRX1200 Offline
#405 Posted: Mon, Oct 24 2011, 3:25 PM EST
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What about the closet?
HockeyDad Offline
#406 Posted: Mon, Oct 24 2011, 3:25 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Me neither. I have watched a few of the videos though. Some interesting stuff.





Which ones? Where are these videos?
MikeyRavioli Offline
#407 Posted: Mon, Oct 24 2011, 3:27 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Ding! Our conversation has lead to something and that's great. Thanks for engaging in a fairly reasonable discussion. I can understand that sentiment, I really can. I am more sympathetic to that idea I suppose because to me the entire thing is so complicated I won't pretend to know all the answers.


I don't know all the answers or any of the answers but before I would go to the lengths that these people are going to I would have more ammunition than shaking my fist. If I made that kind of stink (get it - they are stinky)horse - I would have a specific point.


See my point? Focusing on the negative aspects of one movement and not on another, even though you say you don't associate with either, still shows where you lean, whether it's politically or with whom you feel more comfortable associating yourself with socio-economically.[/quote]

I never hid my leanings. I am a centrist with a lean to the right politically. Socio-economically I am an 45 year old Director in a very succesful company, a suburban home owner, who would be considered upper middle class. Do I have more in common with the tea party than OWS? Sure. Do I hear things I like from both sides? Sure. Do I hear things I don't like from both sides? Sure.

By the way - hate is not exclusive to tea party events. Yes the Post is a rag but this article was online today:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/the_hate_in_zuccotti_KyGNaMM6eLBirVJN24fEEP
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#408 Posted: Mon, Oct 24 2011, 3:28 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
It is better than going back into the closet.


Something someone who has never left the closet would not know, so stop talking about stuff you don't know girlfriend. /kiss
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#409 Posted: Mon, Oct 24 2011, 3:44 PM EST
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MikeyRavioli wrote:
I never hid my leanings. I am a centrist with a lean to the right politically. Socio-economically I am an 45 year old Director in a very succesful company, a suburban home owner, who would be considered upper middle class. Do I have more in common with the tea party than OWS? Sure. Do I hear things I like from both sides? Sure. Do I hear things I don't like from both sides? Sure.


There really is no such thing as a centrist. Either you have a position or you don't. You sound like someone who may be more socially liberal and fiscally conservative, like a blue dog, correct me if I'm wrong. A centrist is someone who usually doesn't want to take a stand so as not to offend anyone, not cause waves, just fit in with everyone. Nothing wrong with that really, but someone who is the least bit interested or informed as you seem to be, a centrist is not a label that fits.

MikeyRavioli wrote:

By the way - hate is not exclusive to tea party events. Yes the Post is a rag but this article was online today:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/the_hate_in_zuccotti_KyGNaMM6eLBirVJN24fEEP


Ok, you don't find the fact that someone who is a centrist keeps making arguments against the OWS protests while defending the tea party and never the other way around, not once, to any other poster here regardless of how insane their arguments are, just a little bit strange? C'mon. Really? I mean taking on an illogical point from anyone arguing against me, plenty to choose from over a couple hundred posts, to prove you are a centrist who agrees and disagrees with points from both movements could have solidified your centrist position ever so slightly. I'm not saying this to be argumentative either, just pointing out something I think should be obvious.
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#410 Posted: Mon, Oct 24 2011, 4:07 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Declaration of the Occupation of New York City
THIS DOCUMENT WAS ACCEPTED BY THE NYC GENERAL ASSEMBLY ON SEPTEMBER 29, 2011

As we gather together in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice, we must not lose sight of what brought us together. We write so that all people who feel wronged by the corporate forces of the world can know that we are your allies.

As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality: that the future of the human race requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their neighbors; that a democratic government derives its just power from the people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments. We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known.

They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage. Does it matter? You signed a document saying you'd pay and you didn't... whether it was because you lost your job or because you bought more house than you could afford does not matter... you said you'd pay and didn't. Get the f*ck out.

They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses. YOUR Government GAVE them the money... vote out the asspipes who voted to do so.

They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one’s skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation. Not sure of the veracity of this claim, but if it's true, refuse to give these corporations your patronage.

They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization. I've never eaten tainted food...

They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless animals, and actively hide these practices. I'm against animal torture, but for scientific research... a bit conflicted, but if a monkey has to die to save people... so be it.

They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions.
Maybe because unions rape the f*ck out of corporations? Just a guess.
They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right. Horsesh*t. The students didn't have to incur the debt, they did it themselves. PAY YOUR F**ING BILLS! Oh, and now education is a "right"? Get real, idiots.

They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay. Maybe because the government passes bills like NAFTA? Companies are in business to make money. If our government would quit cutting into the profits in the form of exorbitant taxes, maybe they'd stay here?

They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility.

They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance.

They have sold our privacy as a commodity.

They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press. They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit.

They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce.

They have donated large sums of money to politicians, who are responsible for regulating them. This needs to change.

They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil. This has to change, too.

They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives or provide relief in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantial profit. No argument here, either.

They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.

They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media. Yeah... the LIBERAL media.

They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.

They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad. They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.

They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts. *

To the people of the world,

We, the New York City General Assembly occupying Wall Street in Liberty Square, urge you to assert your power.

Exercise your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone.

To all communities that take action and form groups in the spirit of direct democracy, we offer support, documentation, and all of the resources at our disposal.

Join us and make your voices heard!

*These grievances are not all-inclusive.


Meh. Some points are valid. Some are ridiculous.
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#411 Posted: Mon, Oct 24 2011, 4:16 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Meh. Some points are valid. Some are ridiculous.


Fair enough and you actually read them and considered them. Your comments on a couple of things on the list indicate to me that you don't fully understand the issue and why the situation needs to be addressed, but you have done more than the majority of those who have dismissed the OWS movement, you read something they actually wrote as opposed to what someone said they said and/or wrote. Find the stuff you agree with and do whatever you can, even if it's just an email to your Senator, to put pressure on them to address those issues.
HockeyDad Offline
#412 Posted: Mon, Oct 24 2011, 4:19 PM EST
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How 'bout those teach-in videos? That might be a good place for MACS to learn.
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#413 Posted: Mon, Oct 24 2011, 4:27 PM EST
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9zkQcLi4Yo&feature=related
HockeyDad Offline
#414 Posted: Mon, Oct 24 2011, 4:32 PM EST
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I was thinking more along the lines of those teach-in videos from OWS that you said you watched. The ones with experts and stuff.
FuzzNJ Offline
#415 Posted: Mon, Oct 24 2011, 4:35 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I was thinking more along the lines of those teach-in videos from OWS that you said you watched. The ones with experts and stuff.


Well good for trying to think, but I wasn't posting that for you. If you are interested I'm sure you can find videos on any topic you may be interested in. There is even one on the communist manifesto.
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#416 Posted: Mon, Oct 24 2011, 4:41 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Well good for trying to think, but I wasn't posting that for you. If you are interested I'm sure you can find videos on any topic you may be interested in. There is even one on the communist manifesto.



So you are not going to share the OWS teach-in videos that you watched and found refreshing and honest? That doesn't sound very refreshing and honest. Are you sure you actually saw the videos or did you just hear about the teach-ins on Keith Olbermann's show.
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#417 Posted: Mon, Oct 24 2011, 4:44 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
So you are not going to share the OWS teach-in videos that you watched and found refreshing and honest? That doesn't sound very refreshing and honest. Are you sure you actually saw the videos or did you just hear about the teach-ins on Keith Olbermann's show.


You caught me, they don't exist, I made it all up.
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#418 Posted: Mon, Oct 24 2011, 4:52 PM EST
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Well I guess we'll never get MACS to understand the issue and why the situation needs to be addressed.
FuzzNJ Offline
#419 Posted: Mon, Oct 24 2011, 4:54 PM EST
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Allright people. No more worries. A saviour has arrived. All is well. All is well.

GOP Presidential Candidates Are Asking Glenn Beck To Explain 'Occupy Wall St' To Them In Secret Meetings

Glenn Beck says that GOP Presidential candidates, members of Congress, business leaders, and members of the media have all asked him for secret meetings so that he can explain Occupy Wall St. to them.

Alas, he doesn't name names. And apparently he has declined to do so.

But he is going to explain it all on his show tonight.

Judging from past statements -- Beck has said he believes the group is comprised of "Marxist radicals" who will "come for you and drag you into the streets and kill you...these guys are worse than Robespierre from the French Revolution...they'll kill everybody" -- it's probably not going to be good.

If Herman Cain starts investing all his book profits in gold and cigarettes we'll know he's taking Beck's advice to heart.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/glenn-beck-occupy-wall-st-secret-meeings-2011-10#ixzz1bjrTGK00
FuzzNJ Offline
#420 Posted: Mon, Oct 24 2011, 4:54 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Well I guess we'll never get MACS to understand the issue and why the situation needs to be addressed.


Tragedy avoided. Glenn Beck is here to help.
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#421 Posted: Mon, Oct 24 2011, 4:59 PM EST
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Sounds like another excuse for Glenn Beck to cry on TV.

I'm not buying into a "reign of Terror" theory until at least a few shop windows are broken and buildings are burned.
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#422 Posted: Mon, Oct 24 2011, 5:05 PM EST
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I will accept the label blue dog.

The first reason I don't go after tea partiers or debate with them is because I already admitted I lean more their direction. If tea party and OWS were the only two political ideologies in the world I would choose tea party by default. The second reason is there are really no tea partiers who come here and post as vehemently as you do. Some sensible right leaning people believe they are the conservative version of the lunatic fringe.

They are two different groups both moving away from center. One right one left. The further you move in either direction the closer you get to the lunatic fringe.
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#423 Posted: Mon, Oct 24 2011, 5:26 PM EST
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MikeyRavioli wrote:

The second reason is there are really no tea partiers who come here and post as vehemently as you do.


You so funny. I know I have a bias. You admit you have a bias, or a 'lean', yet you can't see when the argument you are using would apply to each side equally if applied without that 'lean' or bias. It appears increasingly obvious that you may never see it, at least not from me, as you may have a previous opinion of me from this board that true or not prevents you from agreeing with me in any way. It's cool. Maybe have a similar conversation with another liberal friend who thinks about these issues as much as I do. I hope you have one.

MikeyRavioli wrote:

Some sensible right leaning people believe they are the conservative version of the lunatic fringe.


And a whole lot more of the lunatic fringe think they are and speak for the middle of the road Americans.

Good conversation for the most part. Helluva lot better than 99% (pun intended again) of the conversations here.
tailgater Offline
#424 Posted: Mon, Oct 24 2011, 10:24 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
Fair enough and you actually read them and considered them. Your comments on a couple of things on the list indicate to me that you don't fully understand the issue and why the situation needs to be addressed, but you have done more than the majority of those who have dismissed the OWS movement, you read something they actually wrote as opposed to what someone said they said and/or wrote. Find the stuff you agree with and do whatever you can, even if it's just an email to your Senator, to put pressure on them to address those issues.


This post is rubbish.
You come across as though you're meeting in the middle. Then you insult him by TELLING him HE doesn't fully understand.

Then you go on to suggest that if you agree with anything at all from this freak show (OWS) then you should take action.
This is good in theory, but OWS isn't a movement, so much as it's a complaint. It's lazy slackers who want more, but have chosen to cry like spoiled brats rather than achieve something.

Just because they make an occassional point means nothing other than to prove the law of averages.

Hell, I bet we could pick and choose a common viewpoint from the KKK, the Nazi's and even NAMBLA.
Doesn't mean it should become your call to action.

OWS has not approached the evil of those three groups, but they are COUNTER productive.
Sure, they're trying to make a point. But isn't that what the tea party was doing when they published the ill-conceived "pledge" for small businesses?
I am against the pledge and completely dissagree with the spiteful message.
You, on the other hand, have embraced the OWS movement despite their counter productive measures.

The Tea Party exists without some warped pledge. But OWS is nothing without their efforts to hinder the working man and disgust anyone with a basic sense of hygiene.

But maybe we shouldn't split hairs...
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#425 Posted: Tue, Oct 25 2011, 12:51 AM EST
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That's just how fuzzy rolls.....
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#426 Posted: Tue, Oct 25 2011, 5:52 AM EST
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Some Belated Parental Advice to Protesters - Marybeth Hicks

Call it an occupational hazard, but I can’t look at the Occupy Wall Street protesters without thinking, “Who parented these people?”

As a culture columnist, I’ve commented on the social and political ramifications of the “movement” - now known as “OWS” - whose fairyland agenda can be summarized by one of their placards: “Everything for everybody.”

Thanks to their pipe-dream platform, it’s clear there are people with serious designs on “transformational” change in America who are using the protesters like bedsprings in a brothel.

Yet it’s not my role as a commentator that prompts my parenting question, but rather the fact that I’m the mother of four teens and young adults. There are some crucial life lessons that the protesters’ moms clearly have not passed along.

Here, then, are five things the OWS protesters’ mothers should have taught their children but obviously didn’t, so I will:

• Life isn’t fair. The concept of justice - that everyone should be treated fairly - is a worthy and worthwhile moral imperative on which our nation was founded. But justice and economic equality are not the same. Or, as Mick Jagger said, “You can’t always get what you want.”

No matter how you try to “level the playing field,” some people have better luck, skills, talents or connections that land them in better places. Some seem to have all the advantages in life but squander them, others play the modest hand they’re dealt and make up the difference in hard work and perseverance, and some find jobs on Wall Street and eventually buy houses in the Hamptons. Is it fair? Stupid question.

• Nothing is “free.” Protesting with signs that seek “free” college degrees and “free” health care make you look like idiots, because colleges and hospitals don’t operate on rainbows and sunshine. There is no magic money machine to tap for your meandering educational careers and “slow paths” to adulthood, and the 53 percent of taxpaying Americans owe you neither a degree nor an annual physical.

While I’m pointing out this obvious fact, here are a few other things that are not free: overtime for police officers and municipal workers, trash hauling, repairs to fixtures and property, condoms, Band-Aids and the food that inexplicably appears on the tables in your makeshift protest kitchens. Real people with real dollars are underwriting your civic temper tantrum.

• Your word is your bond. When you demonstrate to eliminate student loan debt, you are advocating precisely the lack of integrity you decry in others. Loans are made based on solemn promises to repay them. No one forces you to borrow money; you are free to choose educational pursuits that don’t require loans, or to seek technical or vocational training that allows you to support yourself and your ongoing educational goals. Also, for the record, being a college student is not a state of victimization. It’s a privilege that billions of young people around the globe would die for - literally.

• A protest is not a party. On Saturday in New York, while making a mad dash from my cab to the door of my hotel to avoid you, I saw what isn’t evident in the newsreel footage of your demonstrations: Most of you are doing this only for attention and fun. Serious people in a sober pursuit of social and political change don’t dance jigs down Sixth Avenue like attendees of a Renaissance festival. You look foolish, you smell gross, you are clearly high and you don’t seem to realize that all around you are people who deem you irrelevant.

• There are reasons you haven’t found jobs. The truth? Your tattooed necks, gauged ears, facial piercings and dirty dreadlocks are off-putting. Nonconformity for the sake of nonconformity isn’t a virtue. Occupy reality: Only 4 percent of college graduates are out of work. If you are among that 4 percent, find a mirror and face the problem. It’s not them. It’s you.
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#427 Posted: Tue, Oct 25 2011, 6:04 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
This post is rubbish.
You come across as though you're meeting in the middle. Then you insult him by TELLING him HE doesn't fully understand.



It was pretty funny when he wouldn't let Mikey call himself a centrist.

You have to understand, a call to action from FuzzNJ means grab some doritos and Occupy the Couch!
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#428 Posted: Tue, Oct 25 2011, 6:24 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
It was pretty funny when he wouldn't let Mikey call himself a centrist.

You have to understand, a call to action from FuzzNJ means grab some doritos and Occupy the Couch!


And a handfull of napkins too. The MS. isn't going to allow that orange stain on the sofa!
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#429 Posted: Tue, Oct 25 2011, 10:32 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
This post is rubbish.
You come across as though you're meeting in the middle. Then you insult him by TELLING him HE doesn't fully understand.


You think I was or was trying to insult him?

This:

MACS wrote:

They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage. Does it matter? You signed a document saying you'd pay and you didn't... whether it was because you lost your job or because you bought more house than you could afford does not matter... you said you'd pay and didn't. Get the f*ck out.


For example shows that one does not fully understand the issue as that was not the major problem.

tailgater wrote:

Then you go on to suggest that if you agree with anything at all from this freak show (OWS) then you should take action.

Yes, because this:

MACS wrote:

They have donated large sums of money to politicians, who are responsible for regulating them. This needs to change.


Was something with which he agreed. Take that issue and any other and try to make a difference by putting the pressure on. Every little bit helps.

Again, not rocket science.

[quote=tailgater]
This is good in theory, but OWS isn't a movement, so much as it's a complaint. It's lazy slackers who want more, but have chosen to cry like spoiled brats rather than achieve something.

Just because they make an occassional point means nothing other than to prove the law of averages.


Achieving political change is bs unless you agree 100%, I get your position but don't get why. No one would even need to mention OWS to pursue campaign finance legislation.

The one good thing these protests have been able to do is change the national conversation, and that alone is a victory.
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#430 Posted: Tue, Oct 25 2011, 10:37 AM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
The one good thing these protests have been able to do is change the national conversation, and that alone is a victory.






WRONG!




Americans don't want to see or hear about people pooping and peeing out in the public!
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#431 Posted: Tue, Oct 25 2011, 10:38 AM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:

The one good thing these protests have been able to do is change the national conversation, and that alone is a victory.


And this is where we disagree. I will give you the fact that OWS has shined a spotlight on the anger over our current economic plight. But changing the national conversation is far from a victory. Come 2012 American voters will be choosing between Obama and probably Romney. There is no victory there.
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#432 Posted: Tue, Oct 25 2011, 11:16 AM EST
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MikeyRavioli wrote:
Come 2012 American voters will be choosing between Obama and probably Romney. There is no victory there.



There is for us globalists.

Occupy Wall Street is not under the Obama Cone of Protection yet if they actually vote, they will vote 100% for Obama! It is a beautiful day.
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#433 Posted: Tue, Oct 25 2011, 11:21 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Americans don't want to see or hear about people pooping and peeing out in the public!


Speak for yourself (and your 2%?)
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#434 Posted: Tue, Oct 25 2011, 11:46 AM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:

The one good thing these protests have been able to do is change the national conversation, and that alone is a victory.



I'm not buying that idea that the national conversation has changed. I just checked the front pages of CNN. Fox, and the New York Times. No mention of Occupy Wall Street once again.

This claim sounds like a "Mission Accomplished" banner.
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#435 Posted: Tue, Oct 25 2011, 12:06 PM EST
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Was in DC this past weekend and went by a couple of the occupied parks. BFD. Few long hairs with tye-dyed t-shirts and skirts; bunch of tents. Three or four groups of maybe ten hippy-like 'communers' sitting cross-legged listening to guys with microphones who eerily remimnded me of my TA's in the early 80's; some of you know the type - 35's year old - 9 years as an undergrad, 6 more years in masters program -- hair and clothes that haven't been washed since high school and quoting Karl Marx like they've memorized the Manifesto. Anyway, I was non-confrontational and just tried to get a sense of whether any of them knew what they wanted. They don't. They're all just looking for their little piece of hope and change to be handed to them. The government sux unless they want something from it. Corporations all sux. All of them. Government and corporations in bed together is super-sux......blah, blah, blah. No substance that I could find.
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#436 Posted: Tue, Oct 25 2011, 12:07 PM EST
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Quick google search under news:

occupy change national conversation-1800+ articles

budget cuts - 331

Quite a shift
MikeyRavioli Offline
#437 Posted: Tue, Oct 25 2011, 12:20 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I'm not buying that idea that the national conversation has changed. I just checked the front pages of CNN. Fox, and the New York Times. No mention of Occupy Wall Street once again.

This claim sounds like a "Mission Accomplished" banner.



Unfortunately people in NY get their "news" from tabloids like the Daily News and the NY Post. They are always featured there. Right next to the lead story that Lindsey Lohan got a million dollars to pose for Playboy.

Combine that with the fact that people consider the Daily Show a legit news program and thats part of the problem.
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#438 Posted: Tue, Oct 25 2011, 12:22 PM EST
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OK, I tried that.

"Budget Cuts" = 178 million

"Occupy Wall Street = 25 million

Sorry, not buying it.
HockeyDad Offline
#439 Posted: Tue, Oct 25 2011, 12:23 PM EST
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Lindsay Lohan Playboy = 53 million
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#440 Posted: Tue, Oct 25 2011, 12:39 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
OK, I tried that.

"Budget Cuts" = 178 million

"Occupy Wall Street = 25 million

Sorry, not buying it.


I couldn't duplicate those numbers at all. As I said, I googled budget cuts and occupy change national conversation under news, not a regular google search and looked at the articles that were most relevent to the search, not total hits.
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#441 Posted: Tue, Oct 25 2011, 12:56 PM EST
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Just under the news section:

"occupy change national conversation" = 489
"budget cuts" = 20,600
FuzzNJ Offline
#442 Posted: Tue, Oct 25 2011, 1:07 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
I couldn't duplicate those numbers at all. As I said, I googled budget cuts and occupy change national conversation under news, not a regular google search and looked at the articles that were most relevent to the search, not total hits.


And this was the first and only thing I thought of and did before I posted. I did not try to find the 'best' result. Top search results, number of articles.

Tant: 'Occupy' movement changing national conversation
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Online Athens - Ed Tant - 2 days ago
Occupy Wall Street says, correctly, that it has changed the national conversation over corporate power in America. The loose-knit organization also makes ...
Protesters draw mixed reactions‎ InvestmentNews
What do they want? Listen and you'll learn‎ Sydney Morning Herald
Stern vs. Occupy Wall Street‎ Stern Opportunity (subscription)
WSET - National Journal
all 1847 news articles »


TIME - Kimberly Hefling - 23 hours ago
Educators are bracing for a tough reality: As difficult as budget cuts have been on schools, more tough times are likely ahead. Even in a best-case scenario ...
Video: Schools Fear Worst Budget Cuts Ahead
YouTube The Associated Press
Schools fear worst budget cuts ahead‎ Seattle Post Intelligencer
Schools fear worst budget cuts ahead‎ Boston.com
all 331 news articles »

At nearly $690 billion, defense spending accounts for 20 percent of the federal budget. Some lawmakers believe some cuts are possible, and more believe they ...
In-Depth: Three Reasons Why It's Better for the Economy if the Super ...‎ Huffington Post
Massive Budget Cuts Coming - Take Action to Defeat the Super Committee‎ Socialist Alternative
Medicare Cuts Will Slash Healthcare Jobs, AHA Says‎ HealthLeaders Media
all 11 news articles »
HockeyDad Offline
#443 Posted: Tue, Oct 25 2011, 1:20 PM EST
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So maybe the national conversation has changed quite as much as you thought/hoped!
FuzzNJ Offline
#444 Posted: Tue, Oct 25 2011, 1:29 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
So maybe the national conversation has changed quite as much as you thought/hoped!


You're right HD. Newscasts and newspapers have been focusing on Paul Ryan's budget, Boehner's cuts and republican austerity measures more than ever and ignoring OWS. It's all been in my mind. Thanks for setting me straight.
MikeyRavioli Offline
#445 Posted: Tue, Oct 25 2011, 1:36 PM EST
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No silly - Lindsey Lohans titties.
DrafterX Offline
#446 Posted: Tue, Oct 25 2011, 2:00 PM EST
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MikeyRavioli wrote:
No silly - Lindsey Lohans titties.



seen them before..... not paying to see them again... Not talking Not talking Not talking
DrMaddVibe Offline
#447 Posted: Tue, Oct 25 2011, 2:02 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:


Online Athens

Sydney Morning Herald

WSET

National Journal

TIME

Seattle Post Intelligencer

Boston.com

Huffington Post

HealthLeaders Media




Yet you're going to squeal about the NY Post?

Frying pan Whistle
HockeyDad Offline
#448 Posted: Tue, Oct 25 2011, 2:10 PM EST
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FuzzNJ wrote:
You're right HD. Newscasts and newspapers have been focusing on Paul Ryan's budget, Boehner's cuts and republican austerity measures more than ever and ignoring OWS. It's all been in my mind. Thanks for setting me straight.



I'm sorry you didn't like the numbers.

If it is any satisfaction, I tried "occupy the couch" and got 7 million. Even found a Facebook page.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-the-Couch/254766241225155


"In solidarity with the recent national uprising we will not abandon your couches until our demands are met. None of which are negotiable."

#1. More outdoor fun.
#2. Take control back from the man of the peanut butter and the cheese.
#3. Access to the garbage at all times.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#449 Posted: Tue, Oct 25 2011, 2:13 PM EST
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They might've had a shot at swaying public opinion if they wudda....


http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-the-toilet/122242944546604
MikeyRavioli Offline
#450 Posted: Tue, Oct 25 2011, 2:23 PM EST
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They have created conversation. It may be a little more in the news here in NY NJ than it is in other parts of the country. Even here it has cooled a little. But it has created conversation. There is no denying it.

Sadly, conversation doesn't "pay the bills". A bunch of fat people can converse about diet and excersize. All the fatties agree their weight is a problem. The conversation won't make them weigh less.

A bunch of hippies talk about the need for economic reform. People agree that economic reform is needed. The conversation won't bring any reform.

Supporting candidates with new ideas beings reform. Sadly Obama vs whomever the Republicans put up will be devoid of new ideas.
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