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DrMaddVibe Offline
#201 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 2:43 PM EST
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So now you can take your pretend kids in Georgetown and sign them up for the Boy Scouts.

After rubby practice...of course!
SweetHavok Offline
#202 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 3:04 PM EST
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Victor


I get what you are getting at, that whether it be gay, straight, male, or female our kids still run a pretty much from just about anybody. And that our preconceived notion that pedophiles are mostly found by people who are gay, is flawed. I get it. Now having said that, you have to realize that this is not a perfect world where everything will be politically correct. Different cultures, backgrounds, religious preferences, will influence the way we think and act. What you may find normal to you, may be offensive to someone else, this is simply the world we live in. You can preach all want, and you may end up swaying a few people to think like you. But not everyone will accept your sense in logic and cling to their beliefs, right or wrong. In the end we simply end up putting our faith into the hands of people who we believe we can trust. Ultimately it is up to us to try to choose wisely those individuals that we will entrust our children with, and hopefully these individuals will to act accordingly and not betray our trust.
HockeyDad Offline
#203 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 3:30 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Actually, we're not having that discussion.
We may have, at some point. And my position has always been that a private organization can do whatever they want (I believe there are some issues with public access the BSA enjoys but that's part of a different discussion). The BSA made a change for whatever reason they chose to make the change.

So, we now are at the discussion we're having.



I thought we were discussing whether they are considering making a change or considering bowing to pressure.
tailgater Offline
#204 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 3:30 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Actually, we're not having that discussion.
We may have, at some point. And my position has always been that a private organization can do whatever they want (I believe there are some issues with public access the BSA enjoys but that's part of a different discussion). The BSA made a change for whatever reason they chose to make the change.

So, we now are at the discussion we're having.


So asking the question of whether it was internal change or bowing to pressure is now defined as "outrage"?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#205 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 3:36 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I thought we were discussing whether they are considering making a change or considering bowing to pressure.



Why ya gotta go all techno on him?
HockeyDad Offline
#206 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 3:37 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Why ya gotta go all techno on him?



I dunno. Maybe it is because he's gone full-homo on this thread.
victor809 Offline
#207 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 3:44 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
So asking the question of whether it was internal change or bowing to pressure is now defined as "outrage"?







Quote:

I detest Americans of any ilk who don't believe in free association.

Sounds like "outrage" to me....

Hell... how many times is "caved to pressure" used in this thread?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#208 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 3:44 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I dunno. Maybe it is because he's gone full-homo on this thread.



It's not just THIS thread!

I'm thinking of adding more KMB to the portfolio...what with all the Kleenex he's churning through crying about militant homosexual repression, rubby and menancing...big...throbbing...red letters!
victor809 Offline
#209 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 3:46 PM EST
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SweetHavok wrote:
Victor


I get what you are getting at, that whether it be gay, straight, male, or female our kids still run a pretty much from just about anybody. And that our preconceived notion that pedophiles are mostly found by people who are gay, is flawed. I get it. Now having said that, you have to realize that this is not a perfect world where everything will be politically correct. Different cultures, backgrounds, religious preferences, will influence the way we think and act. What you may find normal to you, may be offensive to someone else, this is simply the world we live in. You can preach all want, and you may end up swaying a few people to think like you. But not everyone will accept your sense in logic and cling to their beliefs, right or wrong. In the end we simply end up putting our faith into the hands of people who we believe we can trust. Ultimately it is up to us to try to choose wisely those individuals that we will entrust our children with, and hopefully these individuals will to act accordingly and not betray our trust.



You sound like an optimist...
I doubt a single person in this forum, who doesn't already agree with me, would agree with me after a discussion. No one sways anyone else here. This is all tilting at windmills.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#210 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 3:46 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Hell... how many times is "caved to pressure" used in this thread?



Less than you misquoting something from the Holy Bible.Angel
HockeyDad Offline
#211 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 3:48 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
You sound like an optimist...
I doubt a single person in this forum, who doesn't already agree with me, would agree with me after a discussion. No one sways anyone else here. This is all tilting at windmills.



Maybe you just need a better compelling argument.
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bloody spaniard Offline
#213 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 3:51 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
You sound like an optimist...
I doubt a single person in this forum, who doesn't already agree with me, would agree with me after a discussion. No one sways anyone else here. This is all tilting at windmills.



Don't be so cynical in making blank statements like that. Absolutely not true. You, Rick, and others that I normally don't agree with have swayed me on occasion or at the very least made me question my stance.
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#214 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 3:52 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Maybe you just need a better compelling argument.


HD... you slippery little french flame. Why do you keep inserting yourself into an argument in which you claim no position?

You're like a misplaced, over-lubed butt-plug... can't quite get my hands on you....
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#215 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 3:53 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Don't be so cynical in making blank statements like that. Absolutely not true. You, Rick, and others that I normally don't agree with have swayed me on occasion or at the very least made me question my stance.



TW has a wide stance.... or so I heard... Mellow
victor809 Offline
#216 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 3:53 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Don't be so cynical in making blank statements like that. Absolutely not true. You, Rick, and others that I normally don't agree with have swayed me on occasion or at the very least made me question my stance.


Well... that is interesting to hear actually. Probably the first for the interwebs... :)
DrMaddVibe Offline
#217 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 3:54 PM EST
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WIDE STANCE OUTRAGE!!!!
SweetHavok Offline
#218 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 3:55 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
You sound like an optimist...
I doubt a single person in this forum, who doesn't already agree with me, would agree with me after a discussion. No one sways anyone else here. This is all tilting at windmills.



Not entirely sure what your getting at but yeah, I'm an optimist. And for once I agree with you, the chances of swaying someone here is pretty much nil.



edit: I stand corrected by Bloody, so there is at least some chance.
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#219 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 3:56 PM EST
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@MadVibe...when does your Dragonzord emerge from the sea? :)
DrMaddVibe Offline
#220 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 3:58 PM EST
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tegulator wrote:
@MadVibe...when does your Dragonzord emerge from the sea? :)



???
HockeyDad Offline
#221 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 3:59 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
HD... you slippery little french flame. Why do you keep inserting yourself into an argument in which you claim no position?


I never claimed to have no position but perhaps I'm just voting "present". Maybe you just need a better compelling argument.
HockeyDad Offline
#222 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 4:01 PM EST
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Why do people type large fanciful debates here if they believe the chances of swaying someone here is pretty much nil? Do they just like to hear themselves talk or are they drama queens?
victor809 Offline
#223 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 4:03 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I never claimed to have no position but perhaps I'm just voting "present". Maybe you just need a better compelling argument.

"In which you claim no position"....

A fancy way of saying "You haven't claimed a position".

As in you never stated what your position was....

Let me amend that... I imagine you as an overly-lubed buttplug in the colors of the french flag, unfortunately misplaced in an unreachable crevice....

victor809 Offline
#224 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 4:04 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Why do people type large fanciful debates here if they believe the chances of swaying someone here is pretty much nil? Do they just like to hear themselves talk or are they drama queens?



Who knows. Ask Z....
tegulator Offline
#225 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 4:07 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
???


Power Rangers...you'd be the Green Ranger.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#226 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 4:08 PM EST
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tegulator wrote:
Power Rangers...you'd be the Green Ranger.



No...I'm the green power windmill that goes whirrrrrrrrr....that's the sound of money too!
HockeyDad Offline
#227 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 4:09 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Let me amend that... I imagine you as an overly-lubed buttplug in the colors of the french flag, unfortunately misplaced in an unreachable crevice....




You have a vivid and rather gay-homo imagination! If you're looking for something, it is probably in the closet. Angel
DrMaddVibe Offline
#228 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 4:10 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
"In which you claim no position"....

A fancy way of saying "You haven't claimed a position".

As in you never stated what your position was....

Let me amend that... I imagine you as an overly-lubed buttplug in the colors of the french flag, unfortunately misplaced in an unreachable crevice....




Fancy boys with their fancy words come prancing in from Georgetown with their fancy prancy cloppers. Dreaming of Fuzz but won't cave in to their quivering fancy desires!
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#229 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 4:10 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Why do people type large fanciful debates here if they believe the chances of swaying someone here is pretty much nil? Do they just like to hear themselves talk or are they drama queens?




U no likey fanciable debate?

Would you prefer me typing in Spanish then?


Pasi si, puedemos tener una conversation muy interesante. Dime, alguna vez has estado en una prisión en Turkey?


or how about frenchy if thats not ur cup of tea?


avez-vous été dans une prison turque?
victor809 Offline
#230 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 4:13 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
You have a vivid and rather gay-homo imagination! If you're looking for something, it is probably in the closet. Angel


... Ah yes... a quick resort to the "you must be gay" tactic... brilliant, and absolutely novel in the internet forums...

I don't know what to do... you're statement has caused me to question my entire life, which nothing before ever has.

Come on HD. I really think you've been mailing it in ever since Brewha criticized you for overuse of the "umbrella" joke.

DrMaddVibe Offline
#231 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 4:13 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
You have a vivid and rather gay-homo imagination! If you're looking for something, it is probably in the closet. Angel



OH NOES...now you went and did it.

He's here and he's queering up the threads...he's NOT gonna go back in the closet...Shame on you ...he's got the Pentagon...Georgetown...Chick-Fil-A...Don't Ask, Don't Tell...Hillary Clinton...The President...rubby players from around the world...you can't put back that which has already declared to the world in full open disclosure!
bloody spaniard Offline
#232 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 4:15 PM EST
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DoctorMaddViberoni, after supporting the reptilian Bushes & placing blind trust/faith in what Pharma & doctors say, I question EVERYTHING.
tegulator Offline
#233 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 4:21 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
DoctorMaddViberoni, after supporting the reptilian Bushes & placing blind trust/faith in what Pharma & doctors say, I question EVERYTHING.


A Marxist radical critique of all things existing? Hear hear! Whistle
bloody spaniard Offline
#234 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 4:21 PM EST
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No one has a monopoly on absolute truth.
HockeyDad Offline
#235 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 4:24 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Come on HD. I really think you've been mailing it in ever since Brewha criticized you for overuse of the "umbrella" joke.




I've been mailing it in here for years. You should be more attentive....and make more compelling arguments. What is the value of having an argument where from the outset you state that you will change nobody's mind? I would rather paint my house or organize a sock drawer.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#236 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 4:25 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
No one has a monopoly on absolute truth.



I've never seen absolute truth...perhaps it's next to absolute beauty?
HockeyDad Offline
#237 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 4:25 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
DoctorMaddViberoni, after supporting the reptilian Bushes & placing blind trust/faith in what Pharma & doctors say, I question EVERYTHING.




I question everything because Adroomi told me to do so.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#238 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 4:25 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I would rather paint my house or organize a sock drawer.



Then again there are others that won't and can't!
bloody spaniard Offline
#239 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 4:36 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
I've never seen absolute truth...perhaps it's next to absolute beauty?



Absolute as opposed to partial truth or truth by omission (white lie).



If Adroomi believed in questioning everything then I am in agreement despite arriving at that conclusion from opposite ends of the political spectrum.
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#240 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 4:40 PM EST
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Or at the bottom of my bottle of vodka......



Ask me why Victor? I enjoy our loving sword fights (see what I did there?) and I posed the question at the beginning out of curiosity of BSA choice and its cause. Not as an experiment to quantify a scientific theory I matly have or call names like you do sometimes with a thread that is controversial. Really a much more simple question than what this thread has morphed into but we all have our roles here. Georgetown hero or Conservative heel ( <----wrestling terms......see what I did there?) I think we all enjoy being here and some like me, Bloody and others enjoy challenging our own convictions and listening to a differing opinion.

YMMV.
bloody spaniard Offline
#241 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 5:01 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Or at the bottom of my bottle of vodka......



Ask me why Victor? I enjoy our loving sword fights (see what I did there?) and I posed the question at the beginning out of curiosity of BSA choice and its cause. Not as an experiment to quantify a scientific theory I matly have or call names like you do sometimes with a thread that is controversial. Really a much more simple question than what this thread has morphed into but we all have our roles here. Georgetown hero or Conservative heel ( <----wrestling terms......see what I did there?) I think we all enjoy being here and some like me, Bloody and others enjoy challenging our own convictions and listening to a differing opinion.

YMMV.



"Challenging our own convictions" (beautifully said) See? The alzheimers hasn't kicked in yet. I still appreciate nuances. Don't have a clue what YMMV means however- "you're my man victor"??? Ok, ok, that's not funny.Sad

I think that fellas who immediately go into attack mode w/o "listening" have been rapped on the snout with a newspaper once too often. I've been guilty of that when it involved the topic of vaccines among other things.
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#242 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 5:04 PM EST
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Your Mileage May Vary

Your Mama Moans Victor

All of the above.


(Multiple choiced seemed more magnanimous of me)
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#243 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 5:51 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
Absolute as opposed to partial truth or truth by omission (white lie).



If Adroomi believed in questioning everything then I am in agreement despite arriving at that conclusion from opposite ends of the political spectrum.

I just wanted to weigh in;

Truth is mutable. If there could be an absolute truth, it would be that there is no absolute truth.

Just sayin'
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#244 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 5:53 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
I've been mailing it in here for years.


And always with postage due . . . .
bloody spaniard Offline
#245 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 6:17 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
I just wanted to weigh in;
Truth is mutable. If there could be an absolute truth, it would be that there is no absolute truth.
Just sayin'



No, no by all means. I love to learn.

So you're saying truth is mutable or changeable and thus nothing can ever be true? But wouldn't that be if it resided only in our intellectual makeup at the moment? However, some say that when truth is properly understood, it is immutable. The truths are greater than the mind actually, and the mind is subject to the truth. If truth resided only in our intellects, then you are correct, all truth would ultimately be mutable and nothing could then be true. So truth in our minds is quite mutable because we can change opinions based on data and experience. BUT in divine intellect, truth is most certainly unchanging. This is the way that a fallible and finite mind can know immutable truths.

Oops, but you CAN'T believe in something that your senses can't experience, can you?
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#246 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 6:28 PM EST
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Gonz
Brewha Offline
#247 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 6:35 PM EST
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bloody spaniard wrote:
No, no by all means. I love to learn.

So you're saying truth is mutable or changeable and thus nothing can ever be true? But wouldn't that be if it resided only in our intellectual makeup at the moment? However, some say that when truth is properly understood, it is immutable. The truths are greater than the mind actually, and the mind is subject to the truth. If truth resided only in our intellects, then you are correct, all truth would ultimately be mutable and nothing could then be true. So truth in our minds is quite mutable because we can change opinions based on data and experience. BUT in divine intellect, truth is most certainly unchanging. This is the way that a fallable and finite mind can know immutable truths.

Oops, but you CAN'T 't believe in something that your senses can't experience, can you?

Relax bloody, I am pointing out that what we think of as truth is a matter of our perception and point of view. It is an human abstract.

How divinity got drug into this is . . . . worrisome.

And I do believe in a great many things that my five senses cannot detect.
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#248 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 6:39 PM EST
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Make you a deal. I'll relax if you don't worry. Gonz
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#249 Posted: Fri, Feb 1 2013, 7:32 PM EST
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In the immortal words of Alfred E. Newman;

"What, me worry?"
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#250 Posted: Sat, Feb 2 2013, 7:32 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
And always with postage due . . . .



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