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Hillary's probing Shifts into Fourth...
DrafterX Offline
#351 Posted:
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What Does It Matter..!! Mad
DrMaddVibe Offline
#352 Posted:
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She's running for Commander In Chief...putting more and more soldiers in her crosshairs.

IT MATTERS!
DrafterX Offline
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Some Democrats who now understand the gravity of the case against Clinton have taken to arguing lately that the feds should establish a different and higher bar -- a novel and unknown requirement for a greater quantum of evidence and proof of a heavier degree of harm -- before Clinton can be prosecuted. They have suggested this merely because she is the likely Democratic presidential nominee.

The public will never stand for that. America has a bedrock commitment to the rule of law. The rule of law means that no one is beneath the law’s protections or above its requirements. The DOJ is not in the business of rewriting the law, but the Democrats should get in the business of rethinking Clinton’s status as their presumptive presidential nominee, lest a summer catastrophe come their way.

Film at 11.... Think Think
gummy jones Offline
#354 Posted:
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i heard an interview with a gentleman saying that very thing yesterday

"rule of law" (unless you are an american elite aka oligarch)
DrafterX Offline
#355 Posted:
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Olie who..?? Huh
DrMaddVibe Offline
#356 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Some Democrats who now understand the gravity of the case against Clinton have taken to arguing lately that the feds should establish a different and higher bar -- a novel and unknown requirement for a greater quantum of evidence and proof of a heavier degree of harm -- before Clinton can be prosecuted. They have suggested this merely because she is the likely Democratic presidential nominee.

The public will never stand for that. America has a bedrock commitment to the rule of law. The rule of law means that no one is beneath the law’s protections or above its requirements. The DOJ is not in the business of rewriting the law, but the Democrats should get in the business of rethinking Clinton’s status as their presumptive presidential nominee, lest a summer catastrophe come their way.

Film at 11.... Think Think



Even if they did all that...it wouldn't pertain to her.

She's being persecuted by the laws on the books not ones created to benefit her because she's in trouble and in violation of laws broken.

Nice try.

She KNEW about her legal troubles with this illegal server (AND all the leaks on it!) before she ever opened her carpetbagging piehole to run for office! This shows you and anyone else just how low the Clintons are. They don't care about the law. They don't care about honor. They only care about themselves and how much money they can take from you, me and anyone else. They certainly don't care about the Democratic Party and THAT's a fact proven more times than I can count.

ANYONE VOTING FOR HER IS A COMPLETE AND UTTER IDIOT! There is no leg to stand on in defense of her actions.
DrafterX Offline
#357 Posted:
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poor CROS.... Sad
DrMaddVibe Offline
#358 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
poor CROS.... Sad



That was meant to be figuratively...not literally.

gummy jones Offline
#359 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Olie who..?? Huh


olly olly oxen free i think
Pray
DrMaddVibe Offline
#360 Posted:
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There is absolutely no wiggle room for her. The Whore signed a classified information non-disclosure agreement. That binds her to her word and to her actions. She HAD to understand that classified information could be marked and unmarked, and that it means verbal communications as well.

This is just more "Depends on what your definition of "is"...is" BS that Americans don't need anymore. Look, our nation is falling apart and deserves real leadership. A firm commitment to understanding what exactly it means to take an oath to defend the Constitution. She, by her own actions has proven she cannot be trusted with even classified material!

DrafterX Offline
#361 Posted:
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She will play the 'I said Classified ' thing... knowing all along 'Confidential' is the word used on the e-mails.. Mellow
cacman Offline
#362 Posted:
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Part of her job, and part of the agreement she signed before taking the job, is that she is able to recognize what information is "confidential, top secret, or super-duper top secret" without it being labeled as such.

She has obviously failed at that, along with Hiuma and the rest of her staff.

It's by far the biggest load of bullsh|t passed on to the American people, and people are still stupid enough to vote for her. We're freakin doomed if she becomes POTUS.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#363 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
She will play the 'I said Classified ' thing... knowing all along 'Confidential' is the word used on the e-mails.. Mellow



That doesn't wash either Drafter. Why you ask? When she signed the disclosure agreement it's implied that ALL conversations...be they texts, emails or verbal conversations are classified. She's playing a semantic game that makes her appear even more guilty than she already is proven to be...that and her track record for breaking the law and then having to own it...ie; "Travelgate", "Whitewater Gate", "Hillarycaregate", "Monicagate" and any other gate that the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy can use to fence her in with...she just cannot be trusted. Why in the world people STILL believe she's worthy of being this nation's leader after all this...blows my mind. It's like there's an entire portion of people that have Stockholm Syndrome and want that Clinton beatdown again.
DrafterX Offline
#364 Posted:
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I know man... I'm just foreseeing the future.. I know she's gonna try and tell us she never lied to us..... Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
#365 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
I know man... I'm just foreseeing the future.. I know she's gonna try and tell us she never lied to us..... Mellow



When we all know she has...time and again.

If only she had've been that Tammy Wynette "Stand By Your Man" woman.
tonygraz Offline
#366 Posted:
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She was and according to Polifact, she is the most honest of the candidates.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#367 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
She was and according to Polifact, she is the most honest of the candidates.



You seriously believe that?

http://liberallyconservative.com/hillary-clintons-laundry-list-of-lies/

http://conservativeamerican.org/the-hillary-clinton-lies-list/

http://reason.com/archives/2015/07/30/hillary-lies-again

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/zorn/ct-kass-hillary-lies-met-0715-20150715-column.html

http://legalinsurrection.com/2015/04/the-most-comprehensive-depiction-of-hillary-lies-yet/

All I did was put "Hillary Lies" in a Yahoo search engine...41 pages of links to pick from.
ZRX1200 Offline
#368 Posted:
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You're wasting your time on a troll bro.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#369 Posted:
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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/hillary-clinton-fbi-strategy-emails-221435
tonygraz Offline
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Look it up.
cacman Offline
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tonygraz wrote:
She was and according to Polifact, she is the most honest of the candidates.

Yesterday was a bit early for the April Fool's joke!

Heard from a government friend that she is going to hold a press conference today and actually speak the truth.
DrafterX Offline
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Prolly gonna suspend her campaign... Mellow
cacman Offline
#373 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Prolly gonna suspend her campaign... Mellow

And she's going to return the $6 Billion she lost while serving as Sec of State!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#374 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
Look it up.



I don't need to.

I have 41 pages of nothing but Hillary Rodham-Clinton lies to last a lifetime.

Then there's the damage done to trust. Trust with nations. Our ability to trade with them, and rely on them as well. That's been compromised and paid for by the big fish swimming in her pool.

She's not trustworthy in any way, shape or fashion. She's a maniacal and serial liar and I don't need some website to tell me now she's the most honest. She began her legal career as a liar and she's continued it all the way to the point she's at now.

This has nothing to do with her being a woman either. The United States of America will have a woman President one day. It should NEVER be her though.

I would rather see Donald Trump elected than have her sitting behind the Resolute Desk...the very same desk that Monica serviced her husband under when he was Commander In Chief. The White House doesn't need another Bush and it sure as hell cannot have another hillbilly carpetbagging money grubbing liar like her.
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AP - State Dept suspends review into 'top secret' Clinton emails

The State Department has suspended its internal review into whether former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton or her top aides mishandled emails containing information now deemed `top secret."

Spokeswoman Elizabeth Trudeau said Friday the department had paused the review to avoid interfering with an ongoing FBI investigation into Clinton's use of a private server while she was America's top diplomat. She said the decision was made after the department sought the FBI's advice on how to proceed with the review and received word that it should follow its standard practice. Trudeau said the department's standard practice is to place internal reviews "on hold while there is an ongoing law enforcement investigation underway."

An FBI spokesman did not immediately respond to request for comment.

"Of course, we do not want our internal review to complicate or impede the progress of their ongoing law enforcement investigation," Trudeau told reporters. "Therefore, the State Department at this time is not moving forward with our internal review." Trudeau said the department would "reassess next steps" in the internal review process once the FBI completes its probe.

The department began the internal review in January when it announced that it had classified 22 emails that Clinton sent or received as "top secret" and would not be releasing them. None of the emails was marked classified at the time it was sent.

One aspect of the internal review, which was being conducted by the bureaus of Diplomatic Security and Intelligence and Research, was to investigate whether any of the information in the emails was classified at the time of transmission. If and when it is completed, the review could result in counseling, warnings or other action against employees if it finds the information was mishandled.
DrafterX Offline
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So, a presidential candidate formally has a criminal investigation going down... maybe it's not something she should laugh off anymore. ... Mellow
tonygraz Offline
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http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/fact-checkers-confirm-hillary-clinton-is-more-honest-than-any-of-her-2016-opponents/24196/
DrafterX Offline
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LOL
tailgater Offline
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tonygraz wrote:
http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/fact-checkers-confirm-hillary-clinton-is-more-honest-than-any-of-her-2016-opponents/24196/



Lies during a campaign are designed to make the supporters happy and to squelch the opposition. We hate the lies, but they're fairly insignificant and certainly benign. Bring them to light and use them as fodder in the next debate. Ther impact ends there.

But lies during a criminal investigation?
Lies about remembering important details where Americans lost lives?
Constant lies that affect our national security?

Don't (continue to) be the poster child for mainstream sheeple.



tonygraz Offline
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Facts are facts- unless you are right wing and have a strong prejudice against someone.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/04/02/musings-average-joe-maybe-it-s-good-hillary-can-t-tell-truth

Stripped from TODAY'S headlines.

She's a big **** liar.
DrafterX Offline
#382 Posted:
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Tony loves Hillary. ..
Tony lovrs Hillary. ... Laugh
tonygraz Offline
#383 Posted:
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Not my favorite, just the most truthful in the campaign.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Hillary's 'classified' smokescreen hides real crime:

Law makes clear DOJ should prosecute Clinton for mishandling 'national defense information,' classified or not.

Since the beginning of the Clinton email scandal, the nation has been subjected to a political and criminal defense generated smokescreen. The Clinton campaign has attempted to make the public believe that she is not guilty of anything because the information on her very unprotected server was not “marked as classified” or “classified at the time.”

The applicable statute, 18 USC 793, however, does not even once mention the word “classified.” The focus is on “information respecting the national defense” that potentially “could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation.” 793 (f) specifically makes it a crime for anyone “entrusted with … any document ... or information relating to the national defense … through gross negligence (to permit) the same to be removed from its proper place of custody.” A jury (not a Democrat or Republican political administration) is, of course, the best body to determine gross negligence on the facts of this case.

The courts have held repeatedly that “national defense information” includes closely held military, foreign policy and intelligence information and that evidence that the information is classified is not necessary for a prosecution. Evidence that the information was upon later review found to be classified, however, as is the case with approximately 2,000 Clinton messages, is of course one kind of proof that the information met the test of “national defense information” in the first place. (See U.S. v. Rosen and Weissman, 445 F. Supp. 2d 602 (E.D. Va. 2006) pertaining to a different provision but containing a good summary of law on national defense information and classified information.) The fact that the information does not have to be “marked classified” at the time only makes sense because sometimes, as in the case of the Clinton case and other 793 cases, the information is originated and distributed before any security officer can perform a review and put a classification mark on it.

So why has this not been discussed in the television and print media? Why has Clinton not been grilled by her interviewers as to whether her emails contained national defense information that could harm the U.S.? Why has everyone bought into the “marked classified” rabbit trail? One suspects that many reporters and commentators have not bothered to read the actual law or are hesitant to blow the central defense of the Clinton campaign out of the water.

Regardless, I am not confidant that the Justice Department will indict. It is true that part of the reason is that the political appointees who make the final decisions will at least unconsciously be searching for ways to evaluate the case in a way that would evade an obvious debacle for the Democratic Party.

But there is more to it. Spending 25 years as an attorney and supervisor in U.S. Attorney’s offices and working with Main Justice in Washington provides an understanding of the process. Main Justice has not always had a reputation for being strong and aggressive, especially in the face of an intimidating defense. What a DA will indict in a week, and a U.S. Attorney in a month, will take Justice more than a year if they ever pull the trigger at all. They tend to be hamstrung by endless memos, briefs, meetings and approvals from multiple levels and divisions. There sometimes appears to be an institutional fear of losing, however minimal the chance. This is an endemic characteristic of many bureaucracies. Unfortunately, it is likely that, at this very moment, many good lawyers at DOJ may be using all sorts of sophistry and rationalization to try to avoid applying the plain language of the law to Hillary Clinton. A jury, which should make the final decision, may never get the chance.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/04/04/hillary-clinton-email-scandal-legal-definition-national-defense-information-classification-column/82446130/
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That last paragraph is disheartening.

Working in a business where we KNOW the rules about this type of information just makes us all wonder what the Hell is going on. If I had done what she did I would be fired and probably in jail.
Brewha Offline
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I recognize that the GOPS thinks this is an important issue – But aren’t we letting it get in the way of Obama’s birth certificate?
ZRX1200 Offline
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Ambassador Stevens is looking for the real birth certificate.
dstieger Offline
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Brew, are you suggesting that it is NOT important? I do think that she should be punished for mishandling classified information. But, I'm much more concerned because of my belief that she set up the personal server mess in order to circumvent FOIA. Not just careless....intentionally misleading and unlawful, IMO
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and she hates puppy-dogs..!! Mad
dstieger Offline
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that BITCH!
ZRX1200 Offline
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#388 for the win.
Brewha Offline
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dstieger wrote:
Brew, are you suggesting that it is NOT important? I do think that she should be punished for mishandling classified information. But, I'm much more concerned because of my belief that she set up the personal server mess in order to circumvent FOIA. Not just careless....intentionally misleading and unlawful, IMO

More implying than suggesting I think, but not to split hairs; I think you are missing the forest for the trees here. Even if your greatest suspicion of evil wrongdoing were true, people of her class and position don’t go to jail. Nixon didn’t, nor did any architects from the bank crisis of 2008.

Besides that, this all looks to me like the GOP and their ilk trying to take issue for issue sake. Like when her hubby got a BJ – All of a sudden it was the most heinous thing ever, they cried for impeachment. Which is ironic if you look at all the BJ’s the GOP has given over the years…
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forget about the server for a minute.... what about all the lies the e-mails have revealed..?? Huh

and she continues to tell them because she knows her followers still have her back... Mellow
Brewha Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
forget about the server for a minute.... what about all the lies the e-mails have revealed..?? Huh

and she continues to tell them because she knows her followers still have her back... Mellow

A politician lying???

Think




Ok, I bite – which lies concern you?
gummy jones Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
forget about the server for a minute.... what about all the lies the e-mails have revealed..?? Huh

and she continues to tell them because she knows her followers still have her back... Mellow


she embodies everything that is wrong with our government

a despicable elitist without integrity who knows whats best for us and gets to play by a separate set of rules
tonygraz Offline
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gummy jones wrote:
she embodies everything that is wrong with our government

a despicable elitist without integrity who knows whats best for us and gets to play by a separate set of rules


That statement could apply to any politician one disagrees with.
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Brewha wrote:
A politician lying???

Think




Ok, I bite – which lies concern you?




She promised me an Obama-Phone..!! Mad
gummy jones Offline
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tonygraz wrote:
That statement could apply to any politician one disagrees with.

certainly many may fit the bill
but
even most of my liberal friends seem to agree that she is exceptional

really special
gummy jones Offline
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come to think of it, i cant think of a single one of my liberal friends who even likes her on any level or would trust her to borrow their bicycle
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I heard she has like 5,000 bicycles in a basement somewhere... never rides them tho... Mellow
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