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Where's the media and POTUS calling for more gun control after this one
gummy jones Offline
#101 Posted:
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banderl wrote:
A question for those who carry.
Why do you feel the need? Have you been attacked before?
I'll be 61 in a month, live in the Chicago area, and have never felt that I needed a firearm for protection.
I can't say that I personally even know anyone who's been attacked.
I just don't get it.


be thankful for your situation
there are many who do not share your sentiment or comforts

i know people who go to sleep at night without locking their doors
but i see no harm in turning the latch
tonygraz Offline
#102 Posted:
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I've lived in cities enough to lock the doors, but when I moved to my present location, it was not uncommon for people not to know where their house keys were. There was a time when you could tell out of towners or new to towners by who locked their car at the local grocery store. The time I was most nervous about guns was when I had a 100 or so of them in a car, transporting them from one plant location to another.
gummy jones Offline
#103 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
The time I was most nervous about guns was when I had a 100 or so of them in a car, transporting them from one plant location to another.


did you work for fast and furious?
Drool
TMCTLT Offline
#104 Posted:
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Abrignac wrote:
I think you have completely missed the point. It's got little to do with a perceived need and more to do with your rights guaranteed by the Constitution. One doesn't always need a reason.

Also, I'm thankful for 18 USC 926B & 926C. Because of that I can conceal carry in ANY jurisdiction in the United States.

As far as you not knowing anyone who has ever been attacked, WGAF? Should someone first become a victim before they increase their odds of protecting themselves? No one is forcing you to arm yourself even if you have the right to do so.




Couldn't have replied with a more sound answer to an otherwise silly question. Very well said Anthony!!!



gummy jones wrote:
did you work for fast and furious?
Drool



LMAO....touche'
banderl Offline
#105 Posted:
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Abrignac wrote:
I think you have completely missed the point. It's got little to do with a perceived need and more to do with your rights guaranteed by the Constitution. One doesn't always need a reason.

Also, I'm thankful for 18 USC 926B & 926C. Because of that I can conceal carry in ANY jurisdiction in the United States.

As far as you not knowing anyone who has ever been attacked, WGAF? Should someone first become a victim before they increase their odds of protecting themselves? No one is forcing you to arm yourself even if you have the right to do so.



Of course you have the right to carry, I just don't understand the fear.
banderl Offline
#106 Posted:
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TMCTLT wrote:
Couldn't have replied with a more sound answer to an otherwise silly question. Very well said Anthony!!!






LMAO....touche'



Thanks for the idiotic reply.
Don't you have some cigars to sell or something/
tonygraz Offline
#107 Posted:
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gummy jones wrote:
did you work for fast and furious?
Drool



Slow and error prone - Colt Firearms and not TCBY remodeling.
Covfireman Offline
#108 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
Slow and error prone - Colt Firearms and not TCBY remodeling.



Don't you feel dirty working for a company that makes a product you despise ? Or are you to hypocritical to see the fing irony ?
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#109 Posted:
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banderl wrote:
Of course you have the right to carry, I just don't understand the fear.


so your assumption is that the basis of all preparedness is fear rather than responsibility, common sense, duty, reality, etc etc?

you are certainly entitled to your opinion and it is as valid as anyone else's
but i would venture that everyone does not feel that way
ZRX1200 Offline
#110 Posted:
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Banderl do you wear a seat belt because you're scared? Fire extinguisher? Car insurance?

How did you get to projecting others reasons?
banderl Offline
#111 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Banderl do you wear a seat belt because you're scared? Fire extinguisher? Car insurance?

How did you get to projecting others reasons?



I wear a seat belt because I'm forced to.
I don't have a fire extinguisher in the house, i have two in the garage that a buddy dropped off a long time ago.
Also forced to buy car insurance, but would anyways because of the fear of financial ruin.
Give me your reasons and tell me how fear is not the driving factor behind those reasons.
Nothing wrong with a little fear, it helps one survive.

Brewha Offline
#112 Posted:
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Abrignac wrote:
I think you have completely missed the point. It's got little to do with a perceived need and more to do with your rights guaranteed by the Constitution. One doesn't always need a reason.

Also, I'm thankful for 18 USC 926B & 926C. Because of that I can conceal carry in ANY jurisdiction in the United States.

As far as you not knowing anyone who has ever been attacked, WGAF? Should someone first become a victim before they increase their odds of protecting themselves? No one is forcing you to arm yourself even if you have the right to do so.

AB, it think it is you that misses the point of the question. One does not carry because it is a legal right. It is a legal right to have a sex change, but that's not why people do it.

No one carries for no reason. And saying "because I can" is a cop out (no pun intended). Now you may feel that the world is a dangerous place and you need to protect yourself and others. But you don't embrace the risk of handling a weapon without reason. That would be foolish.

This segues us to the question "is anyone 'safe' without a gun". And of course sometimes people are safer without a gun.

tonygraz Offline
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Covfireman wrote:
Don't you feel dirty working for a company that makes a product you despise ? Or are you to hypocritical to see the fing irony ?


I worked there a little over 4 years, missed getting shot by about a minute once. Nothing much wrong with the product, more concerned about the possible misuse and increasing ownership.
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#114 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Banderl do you wear a seat belt because you're scared? Fire extinguisher? Car insurance?

How did you get to projecting others reasons?

I'm making the following observation in the interest of keeping an interesting discussion (I'm enjoying this) from drifting into comparisons that do not line up...

home fires and automobile crashes are not the same as home intruders and armed robbers on the street.

The first group of events is comprised of 100% pure accidents.

The second group is intentionally planned by perpetrators, the victim may be random, but the act is controlled by a human being. Unless arson is involved, the two groups are not comparable...

Now, to me, if one is likening guns to insurance, then they are also reacting to fear of the unknown/uncontrollable by purchasing arms.

And that is fine, but on some level there is a motivating fear. Perhaps guns assuage that fear somewhat?

Sure, I am "afraid" of a fire or accident and protect against the loss with insurance, but that insurance is required by law to get a mortgage or vehicle so fear plays no part in the purchase, though the insurance helps one's comfort level.

I have less of a fear of violent mayhem though I would be in denial to believe it is not possible. But I have a choice whether or not to purchase deadly protection.

It would take some level of personal fear to do so. But it is not like fear of accidents, at least not for me.
ZRX1200 Offline
#115 Posted:
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Tell me your difference between accident and random chance?

I have no fear of being a victim, and fear didn't push me there. Prudent thought did. I don't like being unprepared.
ZRX1200 Offline
#116 Posted:
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When's the last time you checked the psi of your spare tire?
banderl Offline
#117 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Tell me your difference between accident and random chance?

I have no fear of being a victim, and fear didn't push me there. Prudent thought did. I don't like being unprepared.



Unprepared for what?
I've never checked the air pressure in my spare.
ZRX1200 Offline
#118 Posted:
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Do you have AAA?
banderl Offline
#119 Posted:
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No, but I do have towing, came with my insurance policy.
Covfireman Offline
#120 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
I worked there a little over 4 years, missed getting shot by about a minute once. Nothing much wrong with the product, more concerned about the possible misuse and increasing ownership.


How often are you teaching others about firearm safety?

If the ownership numbers stayed the same you wouldn't be concerned?


Abrignac Offline
#121 Posted:
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Scott I do not carry because of fear. Quite the opposite. Pour 6 ozs of milk in a 12 oz glass and to me it's half full. I carry for a few reasons. Mostly because I've encountered thousands of 1%'ers in my career. When off duty, I go to restaurants, shopping malls, the gym, etc. Should I encounter one in a hostile situation I simply want the odds to be even. If I lived in fear I would alter my lifestyle to avoid confrontation. Think preparedness, not fear.

I also carry out of habit. For the past 12 years I've been armed either in uniform or concealed when off duty for so long that a firearm is as much a part of my wardrobe as is a wallet. In fact, many times I'll me leave my wallet in the car, but I've always got a pistol tucked inside my waist band or in my pocket.

Abrignac Offline
#122 Posted:
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banderl wrote:
Of course you have the right to carry, I just don't understand the fear.



You're correct. You don't understand something, fear isn't it. Perhaps what you don't understand is some people choose not to be a victim.
banderl Offline
#123 Posted:
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Abrignac wrote:
You're correct. You don't understand something, fear isn't it. Perhaps what you don't understand is some people choose not to be a victim.



Once again, I've never been a victim.
I have absolutely no fear of being a victim.
Covfireman Offline
#124 Posted:
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Give him credit his statement was 2/3 correct . 1 it's a right 2 he doesn't understand. 3 OK he missed on this the fear is his it's why he wants someone else to take care of him .
banderl Offline
#125 Posted:
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If this is directed to me, I already stated that it being a right has nothing to do with my original question.
I've never looked for anybody to "take care of me".
Covfireman Offline
#126 Posted:
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You do but you don't realize it . You don't check the air in your spare because you think if something happens someone else will rescue you . You buy insurance so the insurance company can take care of you. I could continue but you'd still be in denial .
ZRX1200 Offline
#127 Posted:
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Then why do you have towing?

And how long does the wrecker take to show up?
banderl Offline
#128 Posted:
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Covfireman wrote:
You do but you don't realize it . You don't check the air in your spare because you think if something happens someone else will rescue you . You buy insurance so the insurance company can take care of you. I could continue but you'd still be in denial .



Really?
Do you even know me?
If I needed my spare and it was flat, I'd figure something out.
You buy insurance first of all because the state makes you buy insurance.
Secondly you buy it to protect your finances. There is a FEAR of losing everything that you own due to an accident.
Covfireman Offline
#129 Posted:
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I don't need to know to read what you spout .

Of course you'd figure it out you'd call for help.
I buy insurance to spread my risk against a pool of similar risk . I don't do it because someone makes me .

Like I said denial it's not just a river in Egypt.
banderl Offline
#130 Posted:
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Covfireman wrote:
I don't need to know to read what you spout .

Of course you'd figure it out you'd call for help.
I buy insurance to spread my risk against a pool of similar risk . I don't do it because someone makes me .

Like I said denial it's not just a river in Egypt.




I've been driving for longer than you've probably been alive and yet you know what I'd do if I had a flat.
The state of Illinois makes EVERY driver buy insurance, many states do this. If you get pulled over, you are asked for your license and INSURANCE card. No card, you get a ticket. If you have an accident you could end up in jail.
A quick Google search shows that the vast majority of states require auto owners to carry liability insurance.
Unless you live in New Hampshire you are forced to buy liability insurance.
So you do buy it because somebody makes you.

http://www.iii.org/issue-update/compulsory-auto-uninsured-motorists
banderl Offline
#131 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Then why do you have towing?

And how long does the wrecker take to show up?



I have no idea, I've never had to call.
My Dad was an auto mechanic for over fifty years, I tend to get by when something breaks or goes flat.
I also have free towing from Dodge, if something mechanical would happen to break, but that was part of my warranty.
TMCTLT Offline
#132 Posted:
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banderl wrote:
Thanks for the idiotic reply.
Don't you have some cigars to sell or something/




Classy F*cker as per usual, your consistent at least....

Not an idiotic reply at all, he's QUITE right in his assessment....putz
ZRX1200 Offline
#133 Posted:
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The state mandates you have auto insurance, they don't actually force you. You could drive without it, but you have fear. I get that.
banderl Offline
#134 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
The state mandates you have auto insurance, they don't actually force you. You could drive without it, but you have fear. I get that.



Of course I have fear, you have fear, we all have fear, fear is a motivating factor for many things.
BTW, the state won't give you plates or stickers if you can't show proof of insurance.
ZRX1200 Offline
#135 Posted:
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Oh, you're one of those snobs who buys new cars.
banderl Offline
#136 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Oh, you're one of those snobs who buys new cars.



What does that have to do with it?
We have to buy a new sticker every year, the age of the vehicle doesn't matter.
No insurance, no sticker.
MACS Offline
#137 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Oh, you're one of those snobs who buys new cars.


Me too. I like new cars.
Covfireman Offline
#138 Posted:
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banderl wrote:
I've been driving for longer than you've probably been alive and yet you know what I'd do if I had a flat.
The state of Illinois makes EVERY driver buy insurance, many states do this. If you get pulled over, you are asked for your license and INSURANCE card. No card, you get a ticket. If you have an accident you could end up in jail.
A quick Google search shows that the vast majority of states require auto owners to carry liability insurance.
Unless you live in New Hampshire you are forced to buy liability insurance.
So you do buy it because somebody makes you.

http://www.iii.org/issue-update/compulsory-auto-uninsured-motorists


Still in denial .

The state makes YOU buy insurance . YOU are afraid of the state . Don't try to justify your fear with Google searches just wait for the state to take of YOU.

Keep telling yourself you aren't afraid when you go out . Some more denial hell you might meet a law abiding firearms owner . If they have a air gauge I know you'll drop a load on your panties.

banderl Offline
#139 Posted:
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Nood, English please.
Well if you don't live in New Hampshire, the state makes YOU buy insurance too. So it appears that you're not being truthful.
I'm not a pansy like you obviously are, I don't live in fear of the unknown boogeyman. I could take you to areas not too far from me and you'd wet your panties.
banderl Offline
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MACS wrote:
Me too. I like new cars.



I buy new and run them until they die.
I have a 2009 Ram with 35,000 miles. They were hot to trot to get rid of vehicles at the time so I got a free lifetime warranty on the engine and drive train.
This one may outlast me.
Covfireman Offline
#141 Posted:
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banderl wrote:
Nood, English please.
Well if you don't live in New Hampshire, the state makes YOU buy insurance too. So it appears that you're not being truthful.
I'm not a pansy like you obviously are, I don't live in fear of the unknown boogeyman. I could take you to areas not too far from me and you'd wet your panties.


Panties in knot ?

I'm not made to buy insurance by the state . Google your little heart out til you figure it out . YOU are made to buy it by the state .

You still aren't in Egypt but denial is your current state.



banderl Offline
#142 Posted:
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Covfireman wrote:
Still in denial .

The state makes YOU buy insurance . YOU are afraid of the state . Don't try to justify your fear with Google searches just wait for the state to take of YOU.

Keep telling yourself you aren't afraid when you go out . Some more denial hell you might meet a law abiding firearms owner . If they have a air gauge I know you'll drop a load on your panties.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Kh7nLplWo
There is no need to visit a DMV office for most insurance issues. Use the Internet, telephone or mail.
Update your policy information with the DMV any time you change coverage or companies.
Your insurance must be written for Nevada and at least one of the named insured must appear on the vehicle registration. Minimum coverage is 15/30/10.
If you drop the liability insurance on any vehicle for any reason, you must cancel the registration and surrender the license plates. You may cancel the registration through MyDMV and mail the plates. See Plate Surrender.
If you are new to Nevada, you must notify your insurance company that you have moved here. Your policy must be written for Nevada. Out-of-state insurance is not accepted.
You can verify whether your agent, agency or company is properly licensed at the Nevada Division of Insurance website.


http://www.dmvnv.com/insurance.htm
Better get going.
gummy jones Offline
#143 Posted:
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banderl wrote:

I'm not a pansy like you obviously are, I don't live in fear of the unknown boogeyman. I could take you to areas not too far from me and you'd wet your panties.


watch the news this week and keep a running tally of mentions of the boogeyman and mentions of evil people doing terrible things to otherwise unsuspecting citizens. pm me with the tally. i have a feeling that which is known will just slightly edge out the boogieman but who knows…

your second sentence above is reason enough that many people would carry. you realize there is danger and even that there are people bad enough to make someone "wet their panties" but still cannot fathom a reason someone would want to carry a gun? you can't think of a single reason why a law abiding citizen would place more value on their own life, family and possessions than one of the bad guys in your hypothetical would? maybe you need to think about what you really think about for a little?

ill keep praying that none of us become that unsuspecting citizen but, should the unfortunate event arise, i will also pray that it is as fair a fight as can be expected.
banderl Offline
#144 Posted:
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Gummy, you seem like a nice reasonable guy.
I could get a handgun and a concealed carry permit in the next few months, but I just don't feel a need to do that.
I've never felt the need. I also never questioned the legality of other's right to carry. My original question to CC guys was why do they feel the need?
Are they afraid of their shadow? Are they jumped on a frequent basis? Is their ex-wife after them? That's all I asked.
Breakout3030 Offline
#145 Posted:
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Simply put, I would rather have a gun and not need it than to need it and not have it.

It's not a matter of if I will ever need my sidearm but when. And when that time comes better believe I'll have it. Whether it's fear, responsibility, habit, or an exercise of my rights I believe that I am better prepared to handle a bad situation when that day finally comes if I carry a concealed handgun, everyday, without fail.
ZRX1200 Offline
#146 Posted:
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Banderl, you've gotten answers.
Abrignac Offline
#147 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Banderl, you've gotten answers.



Plenty. I'm done feeding the troll.
TMCTLT Offline
#148 Posted:
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banderl wrote:
I have no idea, I've never had to call.
My Dad was an auto mechanic for over fifty years, I tend to get by when something breaks or goes flat.
I also have free towing from Dodge, if something mechanical would happen to break, but that was part of my warranty.



They have to......they build THE ****IEST truck out there...



banderl wrote:
I buy new and run them until they die.
I have a 2009 Ram with 35,000 miles. They were hot to trot to get rid of vehicles at the time so I got a free lifetime warranty on the engine and drive train.
This one may outlast me.



I repeat....
cacman Offline
#149 Posted:
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banderl wrote:
I have absolutely no fear of being a victim.

Wear that saying on your shirt and post a big sign in your front yard saying the same thing, then get back to us and let us know how that works out.
TMCTLT Offline
#150 Posted:
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cacman wrote:
Wear that saying on your shirt and post a big sign in your front yard saying the same thing, then get back to us and let us know how that works out.



Carl, you have to remember he has his son the cop on speed dial....
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