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WTF? Ugly, bloody scenes in San Jose as protesters attack Trump supporters
DrafterX Offline
#151 Posted:
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If Trump is elected will he make the Judge work on da wall..?? Huh
tailgater Offline
#152 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
No he was pretty clear it was because he was Mexican and it would be the same issue with a Muslim judge. He had plenty of chances to clarify if it was based on activities which he did not. He kept doubling down but may be back peddling today because of his own party's reaction.

Funny, his lawyers are not asking for recusal or anything of the sort and he is not attacking the numerous other judges that have kept the case going. Presumably if there was any merit based on activities his lawyers would be all over it.... if there is no merit and they asked for removal because he is mexican there would be action against them.... crickets.....

Not everything is racism.... this one is.


I see.

Trump is accused of being racist against Mexicans. Half of America state it as a fact. So when he says he wants a judge that doesn't have Mexican roots he's being racist?

More like he wants to avoid a bias if you ask me.

But if you want to further dilute the term "racist" go right on ahead.
You won't be the last.







DrafterX Offline
#153 Posted:
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Has anyone actually seen this judges birth certificate..?? Huh
teedubbya Offline
#154 Posted:
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The judge is biased because he is Mexican (which he isn't)? And there is nothing to indicate he's done anything biased? If there was trumps lawyers would be all over it.

So a Mexican judge (not really) should be disqualified because they are Mexican ( not really) or Muslim not for any reason other than their race or religion.

That is pure racism. Paul Ryan is right.

banderl Offline
#155 Posted:
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Now Trump says that his statements were misconstrued.
teedubbya Offline
#156 Posted:
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I don't see racism everywhere, never have, never will. The you think everything is racism or are watering it down defense doesn't stick. Not everything is racism and not everything isn't. Both of those schools of thought are moronic. Racism does still exist and this is one example. Racism isn't just defined as lynchings. What would it take for you to call something racism?
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#157 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
I want a border wall, too. I do not want anyone here illegally to have a path to citizenship, I want them deported. I also think to become a citizen one of your parents should be a citizen, thus getting rid of the "anchor baby" loophole... and it infuriates me when AMERICANS (in name only) wave Mexican flags and burn American flags.

So I guess that makes me racist, too, right?

Well MACS, I noticed that you did not say why you want the laws changed. You're not proposing things that are really practical or a benefit to everyone. Maybe you don't think the "send us you huddle masses" is what America should be about. Maybe you just don't like Mexicans.

For what it's worth - people shouldn't be burning flags. It's disrespectful to us all.
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#158 Posted:
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"I regret those comments that he made. Claiming a person can't do their job because of their race is sort of like the textbook definition of a racist comment. I think that should be absolutely disavowed," Ryan told reporters.
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#159 Posted:
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The funny part about his back peddling is he has not complained about the non Mexican judges who have allowed the case to proceed and the fact that it continued to move forward prior to his run.

But many will give him yet another pass.
banderl Offline
#160 Posted:
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Republican U.S. Sen. Mark Kirk on Tuesday said he "cannot and will not support" Donald Trump as the GOP's presidential nominee, citing the real estate mogul and former reality TV star's "past attacks on Hispanics, women and the disabled like me."

"It is absolutely essential that we are guided by a commander-in-chief with a responsible and proper temperament, discretion and judgment. Our president must be fit to command the most powerful military the world has ever seen, including an arsenal of thousands of nuclear weapons," Illinois' junior senator said in a statement. "After much consideration, I have concluded that Donald Trump has not demonstrated the temperament necessary to assume the greatest office in the world."
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#161 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
The funny part about his back peddling is he has not complained about the non Mexican judges who have allowed the case to proceed and the fact that it continued to move forward prior to his run.

But many will give him yet another pass.



That judge gave Trump a yuge break when he ruled that the trial wouldn't start until after the election. It was originally scheduled to start in the summer.
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#162 Posted:
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tailgater wrote:
Liberals just hang on the edge of their seat waiting to call people racist. Like it's a game.
It truly does give them enjoyment.
Seriously.

I think it's despicable that we justify people breaking our laws to get here.
A bleeding heart isn't going to help their lot in life. Quite the opposite, in fact.

Tailgater, making pejorative statements about groups of people - like liberals - is about the same as making them about Blacks or Mexicans. It is a prejudice. The world is filled with all different kinds of people that happen to share a few or a lot of lberal views.

And it's just a stupid thing to say. Call it a yuge mistake.

It's like me saying that Conservatives are narrow minded racists with only the barest smattering of gray matter.
Which is in no way true of the many fine conservatives I share threads with here on Cbid.
But I reckon it's spot on for one or two...
Brewha Offline
#163 Posted:
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banderl wrote:
Now Trump says that his statements were misconstrued.

He was talking about himself - he gets kinda confused......
gummy jones Offline
#164 Posted:
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So a judge is an advocate of an exclusive, racially motivated and politically active group and someone suggesting that person may not be impartial is wrong? Even worse, it's an example of the "R" word?

Trump is a moron (I'll give you that). A moron who is running on the platform of immigration accountability and American identity. I think I can see his point here.

We sure do love to be outraged and crucify people in the public square. What a pathetic, sniveling bunch we have become.
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#165 Posted:
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His activities nor his "advocacy" haven't been the issue. just the fact that he is Mexican and there would also be an issue if he were Muslim. And the non-Mexican judges making the same rulings have ban spared.

Forgetting the text book racist thing, isn't anyone concerned about trying to use his position as the nominee to leverage/influence the case against him? He should start marketing kool-aid.
banderl Offline
#166 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
His activities nor his "advocacy" haven't been the issue. just the fact that he is Mexican and there would also be an issue if he were Muslim. And the non-Mexican judges making the same rulings have ban spared.

Forgetting the text book racist thing, isn't anyone concerned about trying to use his position as the nominee to leverage/influence the case against him? He should start marketing kool-aid.



That is the problem, he's trying to use his new found platform to win this case.

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#167 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
He was talking about himself - he gets kinda confused......



Kind of like Hilldog, did nothing wrong with gov com.
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#168 Posted:
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gummy jones wrote:
So a judge is an advocate of an exclusive, racially motivated and politically active group and someone suggesting that person may not be impartial is wrong? Even worse, it's an example of the "R" word?

Trump is a moron (I'll give you that). A moron who is running on the platform of immigration accountability and American identity. I think I can see his point here.

We sure do love to be outraged and crucify people in the public square. What a pathetic, sniveling bunch we have become.

Someone questioning their judges integrity is not the matter at hand.

The Repulican candidate, being tried for fruad, question the judges integrity - on national TV, as part of showing us his character and values - because of the judges race. The ahole is damn sure guilty and his defense is that the judge is Mexican....

Yeh, the rednecks are gonna love this weasle.....
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#169 Posted:
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Burner02 wrote:
Kind of like Hilldog, did nothing wrong with gov com.

"Hilldog" is so last last year Burner.

Looks like you got another four years with her, so it's time to get creative.....
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#170 Posted:
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I thought deflections to the other party were banned here?
Brewha Offline
#171 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
I thought deflections to the other party were banned here?

Noob.....
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#172 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Noob.....

didn't mean you!
Brewha Offline
#173 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
didn't mean you!

Sorry man - It was a tough day.
My suit didn't come back from the cleaners.
And we've had some flooding.
And it looks like more locust this year......
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#174 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Sorry man - It was a tough day.
My suit didn't come back from the cleaners.
And we've had some flooding.
And it looks like more locust this year......

Not promising, mind you, but I might be able to put in a word about the locust plague...

any issues with first born males dying, or stuff like that, I'm your man.
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#175 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Someone questioning their judges integrity is not the matter at hand.

The Repulican candidate, being tried for fruad, question the judges integrity - on national TV, as part of showing us his character and values - because of the judges race. The ahole is damn sure guilty and his defense is that the judge is Mexican....

Yeh, the rednecks are gonna love this weasle.....


I don't love trump
But guilty of what?
Taking the money of the gullible?
No more guilty than every other scheme during the commercials on cnn
"Make millions in real estate, gold, tax loopholes, gov grants, etc"
No more guilty than products like enzyte, the marketing for every good in existence from perfume to cars, etc

So as a mexican or whatever this judge is you don't see any possible way he could have a bias against trump?
And trump merely suggesting that is somehow racist?
If I polled 100 Mexicans and 100 moslems I would expect a significantly increased bias against this man without a doubt.
So what? I'm not even sure I blame them (although part of this backlash is a witch hunt).

I could really care less about this but the outrage of the repubs and everyone else is comical
Last time I checked there is no shortage of Latinos "protesting" (read attempting to intimidate with riot like violence) the mans every move. Heck, he comes to town and they practically have to call in the national guard.

Impartiality (if it even exists - likely it does not) is the question here, but everyone is so focused on being butt hurt that we let our emotions and knee jerk response overwhelm our intellect. These judges are human beings. Flawed like you and I. The only difference is they wear a black robe.

This outrage is a product of the mass media machine and our country's polarization.

Contrast this with hilary and her bevy of felonious offenses. Folks in the media have suggested she even receive different treatment due to her status and current candidacy. A higher burden of proof if you will. Google it, it was about two weeks ago. I would bet dollars to donuts that you or I or petraeus wouldn't require a higher burden of truth for conviction.

They are the oligarchs and we are the serfs. That, I hope, we can agree on.
frankj1 Offline
#176 Posted:
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Impartiality is not the question at all. You have missed the issue.
gummy jones Offline
#177 Posted:
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It seems half see one issue and the other half sees another

I feel many on here are missing the issue

Racism is a much catchier word though

En vogue really.
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#178 Posted:
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Gummy, what comes around goes around. Insults don't make for friendships.

Or as Brewha and his locust crop might say, you reap what you sow.
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#179 Posted:
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I agree trump is a jerk and that is the lens through which everyone is judging this current issue

I just think that this time he may have a point.

It is partially or maybe even mostly of his own making but that is not the question here
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#180 Posted:
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gummy jones wrote:
It seems half see one issue and the other half sees another

I feel many on here are missing the issue

Racism is a much catchier word though

En vogue really.

re-read TW's posts about the judge singled out and the judges not mentioned. Trump is once again bottom fishing and this time he caught a normally very bright mind...you.

And you can do what I do, eliminate racism from it altogether and Trump is still way out of line. This is not about the judge at all.
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#181 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
re-read TW's posts about the judge singled out and the judges not mentioned. Trump is once again bottom fishing and this time he caught a normally very bright mind...you.

And you can do what I do, eliminate racism from it altogether and Trump is still way out of line. This is not about the judge at all.


You'll have to give me a post number as I haven't followed this thread too closely
At least not since this news broke

I liken trumps assertion to the idea of privilege. An entity that cannot be proven yet the majority of the population is told they have it but can't understand or discredit it because they have it. Silly as all get out. Yet it is taught like the gospel in our institutions of higher learning.

Trump can't prove this dude is against him but the numbers show a majority of his ethnic group are. Trump doesn't think it is fair that the gentleman serve as judge. I guess the comment is based on race but is at least observational and speculative at worst.

Trump isn't saying Latinos aren't qualified to be judges. He is merely saying not this case.

But once again, I have purposely stayed on the fringe of this "issue" because it really is that stupid to me. If there are quotes that say something different within context that I have missed I apologize. I gather most of the outrage is opinion though.
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#182 Posted:
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Dude
teedubbya Offline
#183 Posted:
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I'm not judging him through the lense of him being a jerk.

What he said was clearly racist no matter who said it. That's different than him being a racist, I don't know about that. But what he said repeatedly was a racist comment.

There's nothing en vogue about that, it's actually quite classic. If anything there is a relatively small number of people willing to look past it because of who it is and they can't figure out while normally like minded individuals won't do the same.

How is a Mexican family like a tornado? It only takes one to ruin a neighborhood.

That's not racist, it's true. It only takes one white family too. Any family can ruin a neighborhood. You misconstrued what I said. I guess everything is racist now days. If anything you are racist for thinking that's racist. If the family was part of la raza (the race) it would definitely be true. It looks like it's 50/50 for and against that being racist and I think most miss the point.

Why don't sharks eat black people? They think they are whale poop.

Come on that's not racist. They are black. White people look like bird poop. Call me bird poop I don't care. Geez.
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#184 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
"Hilldog" is so last last year Burner.

Looks like you got another four years with her, so it's time to get creative.....



You keep thinking that, she will soon open that big azz mouth again and the spot light will shift.
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#185 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Conservatives are narrow minded racists with only the barest smattering of gray matter.
.




OhMyGod
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#186 Posted:
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If you're a member of da Black Panthers are you racist..?? Or is the guy who decides not to vote because there's a Black Panther with a bat at the door racist..?? Huh
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NEW YORK – The federal judge presiding over the Trump University class action lawsuit is a member of the San Diego La Raza Lawyers Association, a group that while not a branch of the National Council of La Raza, has ties to the controversial organization, which translates literally “The Race.”

U.S. District Judge Gonzalo Curiel, who has been criticized by Donald Trump as a “hater” appointed by President Obama who should be recused from the case, listed his membership in the “La Raza Lawyers of San Diego” on a judicial questionnaire he filled out when he was selected to be a federal judge. He was named in a brochure as a member of the selection committee for the organization’s 2014 Annual Scholarship Fund Dinner & Gala. Meanwhile, the San-Diego based law firm representing the plaintiffs in the Trump University case, Robbins Geller Rudman & Dowd, was listed as a sponsor of the event.

WND reported the San Diego firm paid $675,000 to the Clintons for speeches, and the firm’s founder is a wealthy San Diego lawyer who served a two-year sentence in federal prison for his role in a kickback scheme to mobilize plaintiffs for class-action lawsuits.

While critics of Trump have argued that the San Diego La Raza Lawyers’ association is not affiliated with the National Council of La Raza, consider the following:

The San Diego La Raza Lawyers Association is a member of the La Raza Lawyers of California, affiliated with the Chicano/Latino Bar Association of California.
On the website of the La Raza Lawyers Association of California, at the bottom of the “Links & Affiliates Page,” the National Council of La Raza is listed.
The website of the San Diego La Raza Lawyers Association is joint-listed as San Diego’s Latino/Latina Bar Association.
On the “endorsements” page, the combined website lists the National Council of La Raza as part of the “community,” along with the Hispanic National Bar Association,, a group that emerged with a changed name from the originally formed La Raza National Lawyers Association and the La Raza National Bar Association tracing its origin back to 1971.
Further, while the San Diego La Raza Lawyers Association and the National Council of La Raza are legally separate incorporated entities, the two groups appear to have an affiliation that traces back to the emergence of MEChA, the Moviemento Estudiantil Chicanos de Atzlán.

MEChA is a 1960s radical separatist student movement in California that espoused the mythical Aztec idea of a “nation of Aztlán,” comprising much of the southwestern United States, including California.

As David Horowitz points out on his website Discover the Networks that La Raza, Spanish for “the race,” also has roots in the early 1960s with a “united front” organization, the National Organization for Mexican American Services, NOMAS. The group initially was funded by the Ford Foundation, and subsequently by George Soros’ Open Society Institute and the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation.

In 1968, the Southwest Council of La Raza was organized with Ford Foundation funding. In 1972, the group changed its name to the National Council of La Raza and opened an office in Washington, D.C.


Think Think





Not defending Trump but I see his concern.... A Fed Judge should be more careful where he puts his name... And the Clinton thing doesn't look good either... Mellow
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#188 Posted:
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#183

i understand what you are saying but disagree with your examples. heck, the one isnt even logical because everyone knows blacks cant swim Shhh

once again, i havent read the original transcript at all, let alone in context. but from what i gather trump is suggesting that this particular judge of latin heritage is likely not the best choice for this case. if he said this dude isnt fit to be a judge at all then you can count me amongst those who take issue.

my feelings dont really get too hurt so i take issue most with what trump doesnt say [almost zero substance to his campaign]. you are aware that cruz was my choice as the candidate least likely to grow the fed and continue the consolidation of power under the executive. hilary and donald not so much. i digress.

anywho, i have to believe that trump has a legal team with endless funds that researches their "opponents" very thoroughly. i also have to believe that the coincidence that this guy has ties to a race based political group did not come as a surprise to them/trump. and in that case i have to agree with trump that that judge is likely not the best choice for a case where a majority of that demographic, and most of all "the race," dislike the defendant and what he stands for. likewise i would not suggest that a judge with ties to blacklivesmatter [except when they dont] preside over the trial of a white cop.

if that makes me a racist i will have to update my facebook profile.
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#189 Posted:
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If the judge isn't the right one for the case Trumps lawyers should make that case. They are not.
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#190 Posted:
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And gummy you can make a racist comment without being a racist so your Facebook page is fine.

As for not being able to swim it's tot their fault. They can never get past the beach because the cats bury them.
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#191 Posted:
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Trumps lawyers know there's nothing to stand on and they would get fined or somethin for making a silly request.... I didn't know why Trump said what he did... It doesn't sound like it was just because the judge is Mexican tho... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#192 Posted:
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Occam's razor
gummy jones Offline
#193 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
Occam's razor


la raza it is Beer

DrafterX Offline
#194 Posted:
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I didn't put that much thought into it... I'm not Mexican or a big Trump supporter.. just wondered why he said what he did... and in Biden fashion he said it all wrong... Laugh
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#195 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
And gummy you can make a racist comment without being a racist so your Facebook page is fine.


im really stuck on which of the 50 gender identities i will choose

growing up tiger aint easy
teedubbya Offline
#196 Posted:
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I don't really think trump is a racist but the comments were racist. I think trump is a manipulative opportunist. He's trying to manipulate the case. My guess is he probably doesn't have to but can't help himself.
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#197 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
I don't really think trump is a racist but the comments were racist. I think trump is a manipulative opportunist. He's trying to manipulate the case. My guess is he probably doesn't have to but can't help himself.


if someone loves themselves so much that they look down upon everyone else can they still be racist? maybe a generous racist? equal opportunity racist? maybe just a jerk?

and i agree, a good deal of this foolishness is his own making. its like he cant help himself.
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#198 Posted:
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teedubbya wrote:
I don't really think trump is a racist but the comments were racist. I think trump is a manipulative opportunist. He's trying to manipulate the case. My guess is he probably doesn't have to but can't help himself.



I agree with that..... Mellow
Brewha Offline
#199 Posted:
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This current class action lawsuit against is only one of many. His “business” history reads like Bernie Madoff.

“His now-discontinued Trump University operation has been accused not just of fraud, false advertising, and unfair business practices, but also of having used such tactics against vulnerable seniors in ways that violated special “financial elder abuse” statutes in California and Florida.”

- What a weasel…..
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^Still better than treason.
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