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gummy jones Offline
#201 Posted: Wed, Jun 8 2016, 9:56 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
^Still better than treason.


sadly it depends who you ask
gummy jones Offline
#202 Posted: Wed, Jun 8 2016, 9:59 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:

“His now-discontinued Trump University operation has been accused not just of fraud, false advertising, and unfair business practices, but also of having used such tactics against vulnerable seniors in ways that violated special “financial elder abuse” statutes in California and Florida.”

- What a weasel…..

this is all foolishness

like i said previously

if that is the case then qvc should be given the death penalty, enzyte life imprisonment and mr gold (william devane better skip the country asap).
DrafterX Offline
#203 Posted: Wed, Jun 8 2016, 10:14 AM EST
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How about Evangelists... give or go to Hell is extortion if I've ever heard it.. .. Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#204 Posted: Wed, Jun 8 2016, 10:26 AM EST
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Lawsuits, treason, whatever..... If you can just proclaim it to be true or not true and discount the courts then no wonder you think America or your version of it is ruined. If you truly think trump is guilty or innocent here let it play out in the courts without manipulating it outside. Same with hill dogs issues.

If you really beleive the courts are biased and worse biased totally against you and for those you disagree with, and combined with stacked politics against you boo Hoo. Your inner story is farked. It's just not rational.

Our country ain't perfect and has its issues but to hear some of you speak you'd think Russia or China is the Mecca. Being born in the USA is winning the lottery. Some of our problems are caused because others seem to know that more than us. We are the greatest country on earth and our systems while imperfect are more perfect than virtually anywhere else.

DrafterX Offline
#205 Posted: Wed, Jun 8 2016, 10:30 AM EST
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MERICA..!! Argh!
tailgater Offline
#206 Posted: Wed, Jun 8 2016, 11:02 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
The judge is biased because he is Mexican (which he isn't)? And there is nothing to indicate he's done anything biased? If there was trumps lawyers would be all over it.

So a Mexican judge (not really) should be disqualified because they are Mexican ( not really) or Muslim not for any reason other than their race or religion.

That is pure racism. Paul Ryan is right.



Wait.
If he's not mexican, then how is Trump racist?
tailgater Offline
#207 Posted: Wed, Jun 8 2016, 11:08 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I don't see racism everywhere, never have, never will. The you think everything is racism or are watering it down defense doesn't stick. Not everything is racism and not everything isn't. Both of those schools of thought are moronic. Racism does still exist and this is one example. Racism isn't just defined as lynchings. What would it take for you to call something racism?




Look at the context.
Trump is accused of being a racist against Mexicans.
Because of this, he might not want a Mexican judge.
Judges recuse themselves for this all the time. It's a bias, or it's a perceived bias.
Pointing that out doesn't make a person a racist.


And I'm not saying Trump is right here. He sounds like an idiot (again).
tailgater Offline
#208 Posted: Wed, Jun 8 2016, 11:17 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Tailgater, making pejorative statements about groups of people - like liberals - is about the same as making them about Blacks or Mexicans. It is a prejudice. The world is filled with all different kinds of people that happen to share a few or a lot of lberal views.

And it's just a stupid thing to say. Call it a yuge mistake.

It's like me saying that Conservatives are narrow minded racists with only the barest smattering of gray matter.
Which is in no way true of the many fine conservatives I share threads with here on Cbid.
But I reckon it's spot on for one or two...


You are correct.
But my comments are steeped in truth.
It's OK to give generalizations without it being 100% inclusive.
I enjoy these boards because posts can take on a life of their own. I imagine that you and I are both much more "in the middle" than either of our posts suggest.
Speyside Offline
#209 Posted: Wed, Jun 8 2016, 11:19 AM EST
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Discourse from varied points of view makes one think which is a good thing.
tailgater Offline
#210 Posted: Wed, Jun 8 2016, 11:21 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Someone questioning their judges integrity is not the matter at hand.

The Repulican candidate, being tried for fruad, question the judges integrity - on national TV



Sounds like the antithesis to "It's a massive right wing conspiracy".

Now, who was it that said that??
ZRX1200 Offline
#211 Posted: Wed, Jun 8 2016, 11:30 AM EST
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He questioned his bias, which is fine.

I recall some CLAMORING for Justice Thomas to recuse himself from a certain recent SCOTUS case......

Who was that again?
tailgater Offline
#212 Posted: Wed, Jun 8 2016, 11:40 AM EST
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If Trump said anything racist I'd like to see/hear it.

TW, you seem sure that Trumps words were racist.
Which words?

I only loosely followed this story because, well, Trump.
But now that I'm looking for the RACIST remarks I can't find anything even remotely racist.

A (perceived) Mexican judge has his bias questioned. OMG!
A judge that is on the attorney board something or other for La Raza. RACIST! He could NEVER be biased!!!!


So pretend I'm from Missouri and show me.
DrafterX Offline
#213 Posted: Wed, Jun 8 2016, 11:52 AM EST
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Careful what you ask for... Mellow
gummy jones Offline
#214 Posted: Wed, Jun 8 2016, 11:57 AM EST
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if you ask tw to "show you," you will likely get a vulgar picture message on your phone within 3 minutes
frankj1 Offline
#215 Posted: Wed, Jun 8 2016, 1:01 PM EST
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TW is from Missouri. He will "show him".
DrafterX Offline
#216 Posted: Thu, Jun 9 2016, 7:36 AM EST
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Newly released arrest reports, from one of the only charges filed so far in the San Jose mob attacks against Donald Trump supporters, contain some harrowing accounts written by under cover police officers who witnessed the onslaught.


Below you will find an 8 page pdf of police statements outlining the violence they witnessed. Example:

Under Cover San Jose Officer #1: […] Throughout the afternoon and evening I watched several individuals wearing “Trump” articles of clothing getting punched, kicked and pushed.

Under Cover #2: […] I was assigned to the Covert Response Unit and dressed in a plainclothes capacity. … As time came closer to 18:00 more protesters arrived; mostly younger males and females between the ages of 14 to 25. … some began burning the United States flag in the middle of the street. It became inherently dangerous for anyone wearing a hat or T-Shirt in support of Trump. I observed Trump supporters being spit on, objects being thrown at them, punched, kicked and even robbed of their personal belongings. In these instances I observed victims running for their lives because protesters began adopting the mob mentality and attacking people. I was unable to make contact with any of these victims due to my undercover capacity and fear for my own safety as well.

These are just two of many almost identical officer written reports found in the arrest records of individuals detained as an outcome of their violent behavior.


The undercover officers’ observations were included in the arrest report of Antonio Moses Fernandez, 19, of San Jose, who is accused of throwing a metal barrier into a police skirmish line following the Trump rally June 2 outside the San Jose Convention Center.

According to numerous eye-witness reports, in addition to the lack of action by the undercover police officers, the uniformed police officers were under a departmental order to stand down and not assist any victim of the mob attacks.

Several victims have now approached media to inform them of conversations where they cried out for help during the beatings only to be told by uniformed officers of the San Jose Police Department that they were under strict instructions not to aid any Trump supporter.

San Jose Police Chief Garcia admitted his officers were instructed not to stop violent protesters from beating the Trump rally attendees. In addition the San Jose Mayor has openly admitted to approving the San Jose police departments plans, and blamed Donald Trump for having the audacity to have a rally in “his city“.


Film at 11.... Not talking Not talking
gummy jones Offline
#217 Posted: Thu, Jun 9 2016, 8:05 AM EST
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the under cover cops must work for fox news
in which case it is impossible to have a shred of truth
otherwise cnn and msnbc would be covering this
DrafterX Offline
#218 Posted: Thu, Jun 9 2016, 8:09 AM EST
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I heard the Mayor was a Mexican... Mellow
gummy jones Offline
#219 Posted: Thu, Jun 9 2016, 8:39 AM EST
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poor mayor
hopefully he gets a couple million in reparations!
is there no end to mr trumps atrocities?
i would pull the lever for isis before voting for someone so mean.

those right wing nuts talk about the economy, poor job numbers, terrorism, accountability and abortion while completely missing the real important issues like meanness and global climate warming change
DrafterX Offline
#220 Posted: Thu, Jun 9 2016, 9:40 AM EST
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Hillary brought up global warming yesterday... she's gonna fix it if she gets elected.. if not we're all gonna die.. Mellow
gummy jones Offline
#221 Posted: Thu, Jun 9 2016, 10:09 AM EST
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at least that way the terrorists can go back to work and the middle east can finally be at peace
Brewha Offline
#222 Posted: Thu, Jun 9 2016, 5:34 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
You are correct.
But my comments are steeped in truth.
It's OK to give generalizations without it being 100% inclusive.
I enjoy these boards because posts can take on a life of their own. I imagine that you and I are both much more "in the middle" than either of our posts suggest.



Yes, I'm sure you're comments were marinated in truth before you dried them off and served them...
Angel

I also think we are both more middle of the road that our postings would make us seem. But it's Cbid - A great place to push your opinions, argue for not particular reason, or practice with emojis.....
Brewha Offline
#223 Posted: Thu, Jun 9 2016, 6:03 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Newly released arrest reports, from one of the only charges filed so far in the San Jose mob attacks against Donald Trump supporters, contain some harrowing accounts written by under cover police officers who witnessed the onslaught.


Below you will find an 8 page pdf of police statements outlining the violence they witnessed. Example:

Under Cover San Jose Officer #1: […] Throughout the afternoon and evening I watched several individuals wearing “Trump” articles of clothing getting punched, kicked and pushed.

Under Cover #2: […] I was assigned to the Covert Response Unit and dressed in a plainclothes capacity. … As time came closer to 18:00 more protesters arrived; mostly younger males and females between the ages of 14 to 25. … some began burning the United States flag in the middle of the street. It became inherently dangerous for anyone wearing a hat or T-Shirt in support of Trump. I observed Trump supporters being spit on, objects being thrown at them, punched, kicked and even robbed of their personal belongings. In these instances I observed victims running for their lives because protesters began adopting the mob mentality and attacking people. I was unable to make contact with any of these victims due to my undercover capacity and fear for my own safety as well.

These are just two of many almost identical officer written reports found in the arrest records of individuals detained as an outcome of their violent behavior.


The undercover officers’ observations were included in the arrest report of Antonio Moses Fernandez, 19, of San Jose, who is accused of throwing a metal barrier into a police skirmish line following the Trump rally June 2 outside the San Jose Convention Center.

According to numerous eye-witness reports, in addition to the lack of action by the undercover police officers, the uniformed police officers were under a departmental order to stand down and not assist any victim of the mob attacks.

Several victims have now approached media to inform them of conversations where they cried out for help during the beatings only to be told by uniformed officers of the San Jose Police Department that they were under strict instructions not to aid any Trump supporter.

San Jose Police Chief Garcia admitted his officers were instructed not to stop violent protesters from beating the Trump rally attendees. In addition the San Jose Mayor has openly admitted to approving the San Jose police departments plans, and blamed Donald Trump for having the audacity to have a rally in “his city“.


Film at 11.... Not talking Not talking

I think it is obvious that the protesters went too far.

But Drafter - where do you get these bat guano opinion peices?

The police were ordered to standby and watch people being beaten? And you believe it?

"Hey Sarge, there is a victim of a crime laying on the ground. You want I should check their voter card before I offer first aid? I'm letting the perp go 'cause he looks like a democrat."

Shame on you
ZRX1200 Offline
#224 Posted: Thu, Jun 9 2016, 11:44 PM EST
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Have you listened to the people who got attacked?

They got zero help until they passed police lines, and a fire truck drove right past a guy being chased by a mob.

This is insanity, not "GOING TOO FAR".....
DrafterX Offline
#225 Posted: Fri, Jun 10 2016, 7:10 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
I think it is obvious that the protesters went too far.

But Drafter - where do you get these bat guano opinion peices?

The police were ordered to standby and watch people being beaten? And you believe it?

"Hey Sarge, there is a victim of a crime laying on the ground. You want I should check their voter card before I offer first aid? I'm letting the perp go 'cause he looks like a democrat."

Shame on you



There are videos of the cops standing in a line in the background of people getting beat... I guess they could been like photochopped in or somethin.... Mellow
Brewha Offline
#226 Posted: Fri, Jun 10 2016, 3:30 PM EST
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You guys must have special access to the Fox studios -

But if I'm wrong, show me. I've been looking at the videos and don't see police watching a beating. Please post a link.

BTW, the woman who got egged was reported to have been taunting the protesters.....
ZRX1200 Offline
#227 Posted: Fri, Jun 10 2016, 3:45 PM EST
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Yeah, rape victims brought it on themselves too right?
Brewha Offline
#228 Posted: Fri, Jun 10 2016, 4:01 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Yeah, rape victims brought it on themselves too right?

Is that all you got Jamie?
Brewha Offline
#229 Posted: Fri, Jun 10 2016, 4:19 PM EST
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Looking at this from ten thousand feet - and hopefully objectively, many of this candidates statements and positions are openly divisive. And some people feel that protests are in order.

I'm sure that the supporters feel the protests of Trump at all are wrong, and have little sympathy for the protesters. Hard to imagine either side acting with civility out on the streets.
ZRX1200 Offline
#230 Posted: Fri, Jun 10 2016, 4:20 PM EST
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No its not. It provides an example of violence against women that should be condemned not EXUSED. I've seen the lefts "shame on the Washington Post" for not posting the photos of her flipping off the crowd, but instead showing the picture of her post assault. Think about that and let me ask this:

Replace TRUMP RALLY with ABORTION CLINIC and tell me the lefts rantings and response would be the same.

"Mind your own business"
"Keep your views to yourself"
"My vote (body), my choice"

Voting is and should be sacred. I don't believe the counts and I condemn anyone bullying, endangering, attacking, or intimidating people going to vote or rallys. When I saw Bush Jr speak here we saw dirty hippie protestors (literally, I'm not stereotyping) spit at us, yell, call names.....we were told by police not to even speak to them. Of course I blew them kisses......but when we left the police were gone and the protestors weren't so brave. Some of the Bush supporters were rude, and I shut them up. But nobody really was intimidating. That's not what's happening now. And this blaming Trump for the Tan Clan's behavior is bullschit.

Wrong is wrong. Period. If the roles were reversed my energy would be spent against the mob. But that's just me.
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#231 Posted: Fri, Jun 10 2016, 6:10 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
No its not. It provides an example of violence against women that should be condemned not EXUSED. I've seen the lefts "shame on the Washington Post" for not posting the photos of her flipping off the crowd, but instead showing the picture of her post assault. Think about that and let me ask this:

Replace TRUMP RALLY with ABORTION CLINIC and tell me the lefts rantings and response would be the same.

"Mind your own business"
"Keep your views to yourself"
"My vote (body), my choice"

Voting is and should be sacred. I don't believe the counts and I condemn anyone bullying, endangering, attacking, or intimidating people going to vote or rallys. When I saw Bush Jr speak here we saw dirty hippie protestors (literally, I'm not stereotyping) spit at us, yell, call names.....we were told by police not to even speak to them. Of course I blew them kisses......but when we left the police were gone and the protestors weren't so brave. Some of the Bush supporters were rude, and I shut them up. But nobody really was intimidating. That's not what's happening now. And this blaming Trump for the Tan Clan's behavior is bullschit.

Wrong is wrong. Period. If the roles were reversed my energy would be spent against the mob. But that's just me.

I suppose it is a fair stance to take; that violence is never acceptable. And while I agree with you in principal, many don''t. And people often cross the line where they feel right is on their side.

I'll admit I am guilty of thinking that Trump and his folks kind of had it comming - but it was still wrong. Unfortunately I think we are only seeing the beginnings of this sort of thing.

I also think it takes two to tango. Or do you feel the Trump clan is without guilt?
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#232 Posted: Fri, Jun 10 2016, 7:39 PM EST
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As far as I know Trump supporters have not performed any criminal acts, so yes they are without guilt. His and their rhetoric is just that, rhetoric. Since freedom of speech is still for all people they have broken no laws. If you do not like what he represents then don't vote for him. I will not be voting for Trump of Hillary. The Trump protesters who performed criminal acts should be prosecuted.
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#233 Posted: Fri, Jun 10 2016, 9:36 PM EST
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One trump supporter elbowed a guy.

Other than that I've seen zero CRIMINAL activity.
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#234 Posted: Sat, Jun 11 2016, 8:29 AM EST
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That Bassard..!! Mad
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#235 Posted: Sat, Jun 11 2016, 8:32 AM EST
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They had it coming Brewha..?? Really..?? For supporting a man that just wants to enforce existing laws. .?? Huh
tailgater Offline
#236 Posted: Sat, Jun 11 2016, 8:48 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
I suppose it is a fair stance to take; that violence is never acceptable. And while I agree with you in principal, many don''t. And people often cross the line where they feel right is on their side.

I'll admit I am guilty of thinking that Trump and his folks kind of had it comming - but it was still wrong. Unfortunately I think we are only seeing the beginnings of this sort of thing.

I also think it takes two to tango. Or do you feel the Trump clan is without guilt?


Your continued ambivalence towards this incident is disappointing.
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#237 Posted: Sat, Jun 11 2016, 2:51 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
They had it coming Brewha..?? Really..?? For supporting a man that just wants to enforce existing laws. .?? Huh

Drafter, Trump has gone down the path of "suggesting" (a real leader would weigh in and stick to it) that we would deny people immigration based on religion. And made platform remarks that are racists.

You might as well be selling the idea that the protesters simply did not like his combover.....
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#238 Posted: Sat, Jun 11 2016, 2:55 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Your continued ambivalence towards this incident is disappointing.


As I recall, we have a long history of you finding my opinions disappointing. So it goes...

Or was this ment to be a simple synthetic guilt trip?
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#239 Posted: Sat, Jun 11 2016, 3:36 PM EST
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He was just kiddin.... Mellow
Brewha Offline
#240 Posted: Sat, Jun 11 2016, 6:05 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
He was just kiddin.... Mellow

And it's all good.

Say I found a video of the lady who got egged spitting on one of the protesters after she kicked him and called him a "mooslum". I can't believe he only threw one egg. 'Cource they are expensive.......prolly a free range egg - you know them liberals.
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#241 Posted: Sun, Jun 12 2016, 7:20 AM EST
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If you find that video let me know... I can't believe a mooslum would retaliate tho.... Mellow
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#242 Posted: Sun, Jun 12 2016, 7:50 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
And it's all good.

Say I found a video of the lady who got egged spitting on one of the protesters after she kicked him and called him a "mooslum". I can't believe he only threw one egg. 'Cource they are expensive.......prolly a free range egg - you know them liberals.




Ha ha ha ha....youthink they raised the chickens that laid the eggs they threw?????// LMWMFAO

Oh and did the video show the Mooslim groping her too? or did the film roll " right after that " ? Whistle
tonygraz Offline
#243 Posted: Sun, Jun 12 2016, 8:00 AM EST
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I heard the eggs came from some right wing crackpot's chickens in Indiana.
TMCTLT Offline
#244 Posted: Sun, Jun 12 2016, 8:06 AM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
I heard the eggs came from some right wing crackpot's chickens in Indiana.




I heard they had " put you away" .... for your thoughts....
DrafterX Offline
#245 Posted: Sun, Jun 12 2016, 8:09 AM EST
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I've been buying Egglands Best... they really do taste better.... ThumpUp
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#246 Posted: Sun, Jun 12 2016, 8:11 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I've been buying Egglands Best... they really do taste better.... ThumpUp




Not better than ours Drafter....fog
DrafterX Offline
#247 Posted: Sun, Jun 12 2016, 8:14 AM EST
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I've eaten some eggs in Indiana before.. Mellow
TMCTLT Offline
#248 Posted: Sun, Jun 12 2016, 8:20 AM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
I've eaten some eggs in Indiana before.. Mellow



They don't come any " fresher " than ours raised right here....and most who've had " backyard raised free ranging chicken eggs....there's no comparison.
DrafterX Offline
#249 Posted: Sun, Jun 12 2016, 8:23 AM EST
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I could sure use some backyard bacon about now... Mellow
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#250 Posted: Sun, Jun 12 2016, 8:24 AM EST
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^My minature pet hog is offended Drafter. LOL!
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