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HuckFinn Offline
#201 Posted: Sat, Mar 24 2018, 4:46 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
School kids will feel safer when the Dems quit scary them with the evil NRA and assault weapon crap... Mellow

Yeah. The kids are terrified of the dems.
Not guns.
delta1 Offline
#202 Posted: Sat, Mar 24 2018, 4:47 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
School kids will feel safer when the Dems quit scary them with the evil NRA and assault weapon crap... Mellow




So you want to update the old nursery rhyme to................. Lead and steel will hurt and kill, but words are scarier still...


How many students have been killed by a Dem slogan?
DrafterX Offline
#203 Posted: Sat, Mar 24 2018, 5:09 PM EST
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Just making a point... Today's rally was evil Trump and NRA not ending violence... Mellow
delta1 Offline
#204 Posted: Sat, Mar 24 2018, 5:27 PM EST
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yah....some wise guy said a long time ago, "Kids say the darndest things"
victor809 Offline
#205 Posted: Sat, Mar 24 2018, 5:49 PM EST
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No one sees the irony in someone claiming dems are trying to scare kids ?

The NRA is constantly fearmongering.... I've found most of the people who seem the most adamant about having guns are usually the most scared.
HuckFinn Offline
#206 Posted: Sat, Mar 24 2018, 5:58 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
No one sees the irony in someone claiming dems are trying to scare kids ?

The NRA is constantly fearmongering.... I've found most of the people who seem the most adamant about having guns are usually the most scared.

Ya didn't catch the irony in my post?
Hmmmm...
DrafterX Offline
#207 Posted: Sat, Mar 24 2018, 6:14 PM EST
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I dunno Victor.. most people with guns don't fear much... Cept for elephants... Not many people guns that can take them down. . Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#208 Posted: Sat, Mar 24 2018, 6:16 PM EST
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And if you think about it that justifies 30 Rd mags... Mellow
HuckFinn Offline
#209 Posted: Sat, Mar 24 2018, 6:25 PM EST
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If reincarnation is real, I'd want to come back as an elephant. Not kidding.
Even as a kid....I mean a goat...no..aw, shuddup
DrafterX Offline
#210 Posted: Sat, Mar 24 2018, 6:43 PM EST
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Tailored suits, chauffeured cars
Fine hotels and big cigars
Up for grabs, up for a price
Where the red hot girls keep on dancing through the night..


Beer
DrafterX Offline
#211 Posted: Sat, Mar 24 2018, 6:48 PM EST
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Think... Wrong thread...
delta1 Offline
#212 Posted: Sat, Mar 24 2018, 6:54 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
And if you think about it that justifies 30 Rd mags... Mellow



Dude.....you are scaring the..... sh****it outa me...I better get me another gun...
DrafterX Offline
#213 Posted: Sat, Mar 24 2018, 7:02 PM EST
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Or a puppy-dog that keeps them away... Mellow
DrafterX Offline
#214 Posted: Sat, Mar 24 2018, 8:45 PM EST
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frankj1 Offline
#215 Posted: Sat, Mar 24 2018, 9:20 PM EST
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the book was better
DrafterX Offline
#216 Posted: Sat, Mar 24 2018, 9:31 PM EST
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frankj1 Offline
#217 Posted: Sat, Mar 24 2018, 9:45 PM EST
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I think they want grown ups to figure out how to stop kids in school, and even other people, from getting shot to death.
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#218 Posted: Sat, Mar 24 2018, 9:50 PM EST
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DrafterX Offline
#219 Posted: Sat, Mar 24 2018, 9:58 PM EST
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DrafterX Offline
#220 Posted: Sat, Mar 24 2018, 10:10 PM EST
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frankj1 Offline
#221 Posted: Sat, Mar 24 2018, 11:07 PM EST
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what happened?
dkeage Offline
#222 Posted: Sun, Mar 25 2018, 9:40 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
what happened?

Drunken rant?
DrafterX Offline
#223 Posted: Sun, Mar 25 2018, 9:51 AM EST
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Kinda.. just decided it wasn't important.. Mellow
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#224 Posted: Sun, Mar 25 2018, 10:06 AM EST
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that's OK
delta1 Offline
#225 Posted: Sun, Mar 25 2018, 4:31 PM EST
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Drafter's kinda spooky when he's like this...should we notify local law enforcement?

...they always say "if you see something, say something"...
DrafterX Offline
#226 Posted: Sun, Mar 25 2018, 5:30 PM EST
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You can't see me... Not talking
DrafterX Offline
#227 Posted: Sun, Mar 25 2018, 5:39 PM EST
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Gotta love this....


http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/03/25/school-shootings-defended-bucket-rocks-schuylkill-haven-pennsylvania-hegseth-responds


Mellow
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#228 Posted: Sun, Mar 25 2018, 5:50 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
Gotta love this....


http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/03/25/school-shootings-defended-bucket-rocks-schuylkill-haven-pennsylvania-hegseth-responds


Mellow

Maybe pies would be better
frankj1 Offline
#229 Posted: Sun, Mar 25 2018, 6:07 PM EST
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local school system had trained police meet with teachers, they could not have stressed enough that causing the shooter to be distracted by any means possible can only help increase the odds of either getting out the classroom or rushing the shooter, or both....

the very best way to cause such a disturbance, per the police "expert", would be to throw things, anything one could get their hands on, in the air and directly at the shooter. Books, chairs, anything at all.

Did not watch link beyond the first minute, but I suppose the rocks are there for that purpose.
DrafterX Offline
#230 Posted: Sun, Mar 25 2018, 6:20 PM EST
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They could paint them and glue little eyeballs on them too... Mellow
frankj1 Offline
#231 Posted: Sun, Mar 25 2018, 6:38 PM EST
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true, true.
or line up alphabetically and be slaughtered
delta1 Offline
#232 Posted: Sun, Mar 25 2018, 7:18 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
local school system had trained police meet with teachers, they could not have stressed enough that causing the shooter to be distracted by any means possible can only help increase the odds of either getting out the classroom or rushing the shooter, or both....

the very best way to cause such a disturbance, per the police "expert", would be to throw things, anything one could get their hands on, in the air and directly at the shooter. Books, chairs, anything at all.

Did not watch link beyond the first minute, but I suppose the rocks are there for that purpose.



here's my post, #38, in response to burner02's question in:

http://www.cigarbid.com/...n-Better-If-They-Werent

Burner02 wrote:
Al, still waiting on you answering #96, "Florida School Shooting Timeline."

You not see it?



delta1 wrote:
just looked it up...here it is...

Burner02 wrote:
In this situation that occurred in a school facility you would rather take on a 3" or 3.5" 12 gauge magnum, cylinder bore, and tube extender loaded with 00 rather than a semi auto rifle?



delta1 wrote:
that's a tough one...we trained with Remington 12 gauge shotguns in the academy, and I was crap with them...but they were considered to be the ultimate home defensive weapon according to the instructor/armorer...with 3" or 3.5" magnum loads, phew...deadly and superior stopping power at short distances...

hopefully I will never have to confront either, but since you asked...as with any other emergency, always picture yourself in that scenario and develop a survival plan...

the 12 gauge with a tube extender using 3" rounds would have a max capacity of 8 shots...fewer if using 3.5" mags.

With a typical classroom being roughly 30' x 30', the 00 spray pattern would be 12" max. Reloading the shotgun would take much longer than popping in a magazine in the semi-auto rifle...

Hopefully the shooter isn't as proficient as knokmdown...most aren't...

Survival strategy would be the same for someone with a shotgun or semi-auto rifle...it's best if you can, but if you can't run away or barricade yourself...as a last resort when confronting anybody with a gun, use any distractions (shouting/screaming; throwing available stuff - books, coins, backpacks, purses, chairs at either the shooter or at other objects, hoping he'll expend some ammo shooting at inanimate objects) while taking cover behind anything available... take a peek when there is a pause...

then rush the shooter when his weapon is empty and incapacitate him...get there quickly...

Because of the lower capacity of shots and the longer amount of time reloading a shotgun...I'd rather face that...
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#233 Posted: Sun, Mar 25 2018, 7:49 PM EST
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seems in line with the training the local teachers received. It was also mentioned the shooter might flee when confronted with such resistance.
cacman Offline
#234 Posted: Mon, Mar 26 2018, 12:55 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
No one sees the irony in someone claiming dems are trying to scare kids ?

The NRA is constantly fearmongering.... I've found most of the people who seem the most adamant about having guns are usually the most scared.

That's laughable coming from a guy that assaults homeless people, and promotes the action.
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#235 Posted: Mon, Mar 26 2018, 1:33 AM EST
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cacman wrote:
That's laughable coming from a guy that assaults homeless people, and promotes the action.


Speaking of people who are scared of everything....
If I recall correctly, from that discussion your response to a homeless person attacking your wife/gf/whatever would be to let them have whatever they want.

Your exact quote was:
cowardly cacman wrote:

You put yourself in danger over a dog - over a domestic animal that's easily replaced


hell, you're one of the specific people I thought of when I said "most of the people who seem the most adamant about having guns are usually the most scared"
cacman Offline
#236 Posted: Mon, Mar 26 2018, 8:24 AM EST
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^^ So nice to be thought of. Glad I don't have t pay rent for that space I take up in nitwit head.

And there's no chance a homeless person carries a gun

Do you wear your speedo and a man-soiled towel from your "gym" as you play the caped crusader!
LMFAO!
victor809 Offline
#237 Posted: Mon, Mar 26 2018, 9:40 AM EST
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You're a scared little man cacman. And you don't occupy any space in my head... except as an example of a particularly weak human being ... you're the one who follows me around a cigar forum pretending you are making cogent arguments.

I just do a quick forum search and point out your own words....
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#238 Posted: Mon, Mar 26 2018, 12:13 PM EST
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Love.
Exciting and new.
Come aboard.
We're expecting you.
frankj1 Offline
#239 Posted: Mon, Mar 26 2018, 12:22 PM EST
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Gopher?
tailgater Offline
#240 Posted: Mon, Mar 26 2018, 1:10 PM EST
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That's Congressman Grandy, to you.
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#241 Posted: Mon, Mar 26 2018, 4:11 PM EST
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LMAO! Cacman, you are entertaining. Thank you for the laughs.
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