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That's a serious question... i understand it's because of phenotypic plasticity, just don't understand how it can make living things with the Same genetics so different...

Seeds are not going to be genetically identical.
You will get a very tremendous difference in plants when growing from seed
That is one of the main reasons for cloning.
There is also a chance that those two plants are male.

So... "phenotypic plasticity" is a funny term. It has a really really broad application.

you know the difference between phenotype and genotype?
Genotype is your genetics. Your genotype is the blueprints... it never changes.
Phenotype is the expression of the genetics... ie "black hair" "blue eyes" "short" "tall".... these are all driven by the genetics, but there may be different genes expressed at different times which may change your phenotype.

The interesting examples of "phenotypic plasticity" are large scale changes to an organism due to huge sequences of new genes being expressed....
- in bacteria, the upregulation of an entire new sugar metabolism pathway (galactose) beause of the prevalence of that sugar in the environment
- I believe there are certain temperature dependent changes.. I think bear hibernation may be an example, as entire metabolic pathways change due to environmental changes (cold)
- The growth of a "winter pelt" which is then shed is a phenotypic pathway change. Those are different genes that are turning on or off
- I believe birds molting from one color as youths to a different color as adults is a phenotypic plasticity ....

But... that same cool term can be used for really basic, dumb ideas we all know about.
malnutrition....
Don't feed some things and that stunts development. If you're depending on your plants to all grow at the same rate they have to get the same nutrition... technically speaking, if one is not getting the same amount of nutrition, then the gene pathways for maturation may trigger later. Technically that's a different phenotype.... but not in the more interesting way that we think of... more in a "take two twins, raise one on meat and the other on bread and water and no sun.. see how they turn out"

I don't know a damn thing about botany...
Wouldn't seeds from the same flower be identical?

If they're seeds from 2 different flowers, then they can be fertilized by two completely different other plants, could have completely different genetic makeup.

But the same flower (and here's where my gap in botany is)... I don't know if each seed originated from a combination of two different instances of pollen... or whether a cluster of seeds from one flower are all the result of a single fertilization instance, and then lots of "twinning"....

If it's the former, then you will have genetically different species with each seed (fraternal twins) if it's the latter then you should have identical genotypes...

so do you think it would it stand to reason that each seed is also likely genetically different even if they come from the same plant?

It's important to separate the males and females, so the buds don't get seeds.

You know 6 plants is the limit, right? Why just 5?

had to cull a runt early on... all 5 seeds were female... possibly from a feminized plant...

Got it.

I am specifically thinking about apple trees. They are grafted due to seeds producing many different types of apple trees not similar to the parents.

Transposed your numbers
23 pair 46 total.


ETA: Also, IIRC, each female reproductive thing (can't remember the name. follicle?) will have its own set of half the chromosomes, as will each pollen particle. So the resulting seeds will have randomized makeup, not all copies.

Opel, it's been a very long time but in my experience, even if you buy the fancy seeds autoflower, feminized etc you're not going to get all the same plant - for reasons noted above when working with seeds.

If you want everything to grow the same, you need to keep a mother and clone.

Keep the two in flower cycle with your lighting and nutrients and hope for the best.

Gotta admit, not too worried about keeping them consistent... more just surprised out how different seeds of the same parents could be from one another... one of these plants is literally covered in long white hairs that look like cactus needles... not an orange hair in sight and its like 50 days into what should be a maximum 63 day flowering cycle...

i am considering harvesting one of these and then reverting her back to full time light and making her a mother... I'm told that's something you can do... we'll see...

I've got seeds saved up from over the years... i don't like spending money on them... these came from a batch of alleged gg4... got about 8 seeds from an ounce... they've got gg4 characteristics but i don't think they're authentic...

I wish I lived in a free state.

We did just get Sunday alcohol sales allowed though, so that's progress right?

On the Indiana Sunday alcohol sales note, I have a lot of crazy religious nutbags in my family, and they're on the Facebook.

One post after the announcement was made that the bill passed and was going to governor's desk for signature was going on about how everybody needs to flood the gov's office with phone calls to veto the bill, "It's our only hope at this point". Then went on to add to it once passed that now that Indiana has Sunday booze it's a slippery slope to the gays getting married and the drug addicts buying their marijuanas at the corner store. Then concluded to pray for our children as undoubtedly the number of rapes and murders is going to go up now.

Just take cuttings from your best plant now. Well, once you have a cuttings propagation setup in place. Clone what you already have.

If you let the plant flower too long it probably won't work. The plant just won't have enough energy to come back.

The potency will be the same, however, it might have more of a chance of turning hermi on you

Dinnertime... quesadilla burger and watching some YouTube fishermen...

Was going to mention that... only reason I knew was from Tool's song 46 and 2. HA!

Early being the important word

Jambalaya and beer.

When I made it, I wasn't thinking about how much it would make.

I probably made 12+ lbs of food.

I'll pardon the affront, because you don't really know me... but any chowder with tomatoes in it is not chowder. I like my chowder creamy, with potatoes, lots of clams and NO tomatoes.



(so, yeah... NE)

HHD everybody

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