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CelticBomber Offline
#451 Posted: Tue, Aug 25 2020, 11:16 PM EST
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Dg west deptford wrote:
It can't be my logic b it has to be everyone's everywhere all the time. Because that's the WE live in.



If that were true in any way, shape or form we'd all think alike. Logically, since it's obvious from just this thread alone that we don't all use the same logic I'd have to assume that either A) You're trying to create a specific logic trap that will prove your own bias to you, regardless if you convinced BGZ to your way of thinking or not or B) Some of us are born with more tools in the shed than others..... biased in my favor of course. I'll leave it to you to use this "Universal" logic that you allude too, to determine which answer I lean towards.


P.S. The answer is C) All of the above.
Dg west deptford Offline
#452 Posted: Tue, Aug 25 2020, 11:27 PM EST
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^ is that absolutely true CB?
Is the logic your using universal and unchanging?
rfenst Offline
#453 Posted: Wed, Aug 26 2020, 12:19 AM EST
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CelticBomber wrote:
... Some of us are born with more tools in the shed than others..... biased in my favor of course.

LOL.
That's some funny chit.
bgz Offline
#454 Posted: Wed, Aug 26 2020, 12:40 AM EST
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Dg west deptford wrote:

It can't be my logic b it has to be everyone's everywhere all the time. Because that's the WE live in.


Spit your game already, let's hear the pitch.

In the words of the giant head thing on Rick and Morty...

Show me what you got.
CelticBomber Offline
#455 Posted: Wed, Aug 26 2020, 12:51 AM EST
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Celtic Bomber wrote:
If that were true in any way, shape or form we'd all think alike.



Dg west deptford wrote:
^ is that absolutely true CB?
Is the logic your using universal and unchanging?



You're obviously not a reader.
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#456 Posted: Wed, Aug 26 2020, 5:56 AM EST
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Wubba-lubba-dub-dub!

whip
tonygraz Offline
#457 Posted: Wed, Aug 26 2020, 6:50 AM EST
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As far as which came first we should consult our in-house expert on all things chicken, Drafter.
Dg west deptford Offline
#458 Posted: Wed, Aug 26 2020, 9:19 AM EST
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b, I don't need to assume you believe in universal unchanging logic. I already KNOW you do. But it's just so good to admit it out loud in front of witnesses. Sometimes you have to rescue the mind from absurdity before one can receive truth
You've already professed faith in the existence of Absolute truth & that you KNOW some things to be true. Which is the beginning of a great foundation. You're so close! If you could just confess faith in logic then I could ask the final question
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#459 Posted: Wed, Aug 26 2020, 9:19 AM EST
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Dg west deptford wrote:
That's easy. the rooster.
But seriously where are we at with Darwin since he stated that if we ever find irreducible complexity then his theory would be wrong.
As I'm sure you smarty-pants know relatively recent developments in microbiology have indeed uncovered a tremendous amount of irreducible complexity in everything


I just wanted to point out that this is nonsense. The idea of "irreducible complexity" as being a proof against evolution is nonsense, and the idea that a system is too irreducibly complex to have evolved is nonsense.
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#460 Posted: Wed, Aug 26 2020, 9:21 AM EST
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It was too hot for a smoke so Tony, Celtic & I decided to take the tandom bike for a ride to the sun to cool off (Tony rode b!tch and cb sat on his lap). When we got to the surface of the sun Celtic pulled 3 lawn chairs out of his new OpftH shirt pocket, Tony pulled 3 fine tubos out of his OpftH shirt pocket (an LP no.9, A 1926 no.90 and a vintage Davidoff) & handed them out to us. As we sat on the sun puffing away we heard Diamond Dave coming up with an ice cream cart singing "I'm your ice cream man" so we stopped him as he was passing by and I treated the boys (Tony had a Dixie cup, CB had a push-up. I had a banana boat) Just then Rick & Morty stroll by asking if we were there for Gurkfest. Tony was insulted & said something that pissed off Rick because he gave us all the finger. After our smokes &ice cream I pulled 3 surf boards out my OpftH shirt pocket & we surfed the cooling corona mass ejections before a leisurely ride back to earth.
Now if after that story you were to say " come on D that's not logical the whole universe knows Tony doesn't smoke those cigars"
I'd then say "Huzzah!" So is logic material (made of matter) or immaterial?
Take your time answering and I'll get back to this after work.
bgz Offline
#461 Posted: Wed, Aug 26 2020, 9:48 AM EST
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Dg west deptford wrote:
b, I don't need to assume you believe in universal unchanging logic. I already KNOW you do. But it's just so good to admit it out loud in front of witnesses. Sometimes you have to rescue the mind from absurdity before one can receive truth
You've already professed faith in the existence of Absolute truth & that you KNOW some things to be true. Which is the beginning of a great foundation. You're so close! If you could just confess faith in logic then I could ask the final question


All good D, I knew you had no game. Kinda lost interest anyway... you overhyped it and under-delivered.
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#462 Posted: Wed, Aug 26 2020, 11:54 AM EST
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bgz wrote:
All good D, I knew you had no game. Kinda lost interest anyway... you overhyped it and under-delivered.


He was just looking to be condescending. Which I gather is real work for him....
DrafterX Offline
#463 Posted: Wed, Aug 26 2020, 12:01 PM EST
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Apparently Susan Rice hates God too.... Mellow
tonygraz Offline
#464 Posted: Wed, Aug 26 2020, 12:10 PM EST
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You were supposed to tell us whether the egg or the chicken came first.
DrafterX Offline
#465 Posted: Wed, Aug 26 2020, 12:17 PM EST
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the chiken... but he looked more like a tadpole when he crawled out of da pond.... Mellow
tonygraz Offline
#466 Posted: Wed, Aug 26 2020, 12:19 PM EST
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OK, the verdict is in. Amen. That's all folks.
RayR Offline
#467 Posted: Wed, Aug 26 2020, 1:45 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
First.. eventually you'll hit my limits... soooooo

Stars are formed in nebula.... down the chain, you're right back at supernova.

Follow the chicken egg back far enough, you'll hit some sort of raptor....

That's about enough splainin I'm willing to do. You want more, go read a book...



Yup, well you can travel back in time as far back as you can imagine and never find that limit, never find the ultimate truth.
All the haughty god-like logic and science, all the theories that some humans believe are indisputable are regularly disputed and new theories are presented. Then there are some things that mere mortals can never truly know.
There is certainly no scientific consensus about the origins of all things, Michael Crichton wrote about the claims about consensus in science, "There is no such thing as consensus science. If it's consensus, it isn't science. If it's science, it isn't consensus. Period.”, “Let’s be clear: the work of science has nothing whatever to do with consensus. Consensus is the business of politics. Science, on the contrary, requires only one investigator who happens to be right, which means that he or she has results that are verifiable by reference to the real world. In science consensus is irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results. The greatest scientists in history are great precisely because they broke with the consensus."
If someone claims there is a scientific consensus, then you've found a charlatan, a political actor.

Where does Joe Biden fit into all this? He's a charlatan of course!





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#468 Posted: Wed, Aug 26 2020, 1:53 PM EST
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.... and he once again uses someone else's quote.

Weak.

But more amusingly... lacking a consensus in the origin of the universe is NOT support for some invisible magic deity. What religious people seem to fail to understand is just because smart people haven't figured out everything that happened billions of years ago, their crackpot text written by some uneducated, unwashed people 2000 years ago isn't any more valid.

The "what came before that?" question is a dumb question as well. It's holding science to a higher standard than your religion, which also cannot identify what came before your god. It shows poor reasoning skills.
DrafterX Offline
#469 Posted: Wed, Aug 26 2020, 2:10 PM EST
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The Singing bush didn't quote the bible to Moses..?? Huh
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#470 Posted: Wed, Aug 26 2020, 2:19 PM EST
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RayR wrote:
Yup, well you can travel back in time as far back as you can imagine and never find that limit, never find the ultimate truth.
All the haughty god-like logic and science, all the theories that some humans believe are indisputable are regularly disputed and new theories are presented. Then there are some things that mere mortals can never truly know.
There is certainly no scientific consensus about the origins of all things, Michael Crichton wrote about the claims about consensus in science, "There is no such thing as consensus science. If it's consensus, it isn't science. If it's science, it isn't consensus. Period.”, “Let’s be clear: the work of science has nothing whatever to do with consensus. Consensus is the business of politics. Science, on the contrary, requires only one investigator who happens to be right, which means that he or she has results that are verifiable by reference to the real world. In science consensus is irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results. The greatest scientists in history are great precisely because they broke with the consensus."
If someone claims there is a scientific consensus, then you've found a charlatan, a political actor.

Where does Joe Biden fit into all this? He's a charlatan of course!

PLEASE HIT ENTER ONCE IN A WHILE SO THAT YOU ARE DELINEATING PARAGRAPHS. IT MAKES IT EASIER TO READ.
bgz Offline
#471 Posted: Wed, Aug 26 2020, 2:33 PM EST
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RayRay, unfortunately I'm bored of you now.

You're acting like I made a claim that I know everything...

You and DW keep badly interpretting my words...

I'll say it again... I don't know the answers to currently unanswerable questions... just because you keep asking me questions I happen to know the answers to, doesn't imply that I've made a claim of knowing everything.

If you've repeatedly shown that you have little to no ability to comprehend what I'm telling you. How can you and I even have a conversation?

I'll tell you one thing, and you'll interpret it as the exact opposite of what I said. It was fun for a bit... but the curiosity has passed.
Dg west deptford Offline
#472 Posted: Wed, Aug 26 2020, 2:50 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
All good D, I knew you had no game. Kinda lost interest anyway... you overhyped it and under-delivered.



How can I under-deliver when we haven't reached the end yet?
Your quitting now? Figures. Do you say you lost interest in your math games when you sense you're loosing also?

You claim to live in a world where you can't know where you parked your car because it could be in super-position but I'm the one with no game?
Oh well, I still had fun but this really is no game to me. I actually care about you. Well Christ in me cares about you. I'm a selfish prick.
Really wish you could've pressed through to the end for the summation of the logic apologetic but no sweat. I understand. Hopefully someone someday will have the balls and honesty to admit that they believe in truth, knowledge, logic & that logic is an immaterial entity then we can see the end of the matter.
I do appreciate all of you for putting up with me and if you ever need prayer or an ear please avail your self of the love I have for you & I'll do the same trusting your heart for me as well.
God bless & see you tomorrow.
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#473 Posted: Wed, Aug 26 2020, 3:08 PM EST
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RayR wrote:
Yup, well you can travel back in time as far back as you can imagine and never find that limit, never find the ultimate truth.
All the haughty god-like logic and science, all the theories that some humans believe are indisputable are regularly disputed and new theories are presented. Then there are some things that mere mortals can never truly know.
There is certainly no scientific consensus about the origins of all things, Michael Crichton wrote about the claims about consensus in science, "There is no such thing as consensus science. If it's consensus, it isn't science. If it's science, it isn't consensus. Period.”, “Let’s be clear: the work of science has nothing whatever to do with consensus. Consensus is the business of politics. Science, on the contrary, requires only one investigator who happens to be right, which means that he or she has results that are verifiable by reference to the real world. In science consensus is irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results. The greatest scientists in history are great precisely because they broke with the consensus."
If someone claims there is a scientific consensus, then you've found a charlatan, a political actor.

Where does Joe Biden fit into all this? He's a charlatan of course!




Of course there far, far less consensus about God.

Even the God of Abraham has three distinct doctrines, beliefs and schools of thought.
Not to mention Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, Taoism, Confucianism, Bahá'í, Shinto, Jainism, or Zoroastrianism.

And what of the Pastafarians???

In fact there is a great deal of consensus in science. And never mind that Einstein proved Newton wrong.
Screw him!
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#474 Posted: Wed, Aug 26 2020, 3:12 PM EST
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Dg west deptford wrote:
How can I under-deliver when we haven't reached the end yet?
Your quitting now? Figures. Do you say you lost interest in your math games when you sense you're loosing also?

You claim to live in a world where you can't know where you parked your car because it could be in super-position but I'm the one with no game?
Oh well, I still had fun but this really is no game to me. I actually care about you. Well Christ in me cares about you. I'm a selfish prick.
Really wish you could've pressed through to the end for the summation of the logic apologetic but no sweat. I understand. Hopefully someone someday will have the balls and honesty to admit that they believe in truth, knowledge, logic & that logic is an immaterial entity then we can see the end of the matter.
I do appreciate all of you for putting up with me and if you ever need prayer or an ear please avail your self of the love I have for you & I'll do the same trusting your heart for me as well.
God bless & see you tomorrow.



Talent, I reckon.... Herfing
CelticBomber Offline
#475 Posted: Wed, Aug 26 2020, 3:38 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
All good D, I knew you had no game. Kinda lost interest anyway... you overhyped it and under-delivered.



It was an adorable attempt though wasn't it? He thought by saying "Universal Logic" instead of "God" we wouldn't notice. By the way DG Santa say's Hi! I know he's real I saw mommy kissing him.
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#476 Posted: Wed, Aug 26 2020, 3:49 PM EST
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where were his hands..?? Huh
CelticBomber Offline
#477 Posted: Wed, Aug 26 2020, 3:57 PM EST
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Dg west deptford wrote:
How can I under-deliver when we haven't reached the end yet?



I'm sure there's someone else in your house that looks at you and asks herself the same question about you day after day....
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#478 Posted: Wed, Aug 26 2020, 3:59 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
where were his hands..?? Huh


Probably removing her bra.... Mom was a bit of a wh0re when it came to fat guys with their own sleigh. I learned to not see certain things from a young age.
CelticBomber Offline
#479 Posted: Wed, Aug 26 2020, 4:04 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
Spit your game already, let's hear the pitch.

In the words of the giant head thing on Rick and Morty...

Show me what you got.



I hope you read the subtext here Ray and DG..... BGZ is some sorta Latino. Puerto Rican or Mexican maybe..... not sure. But, I do know if you push him he'll cut you.
bgz Offline
#480 Posted: Wed, Aug 26 2020, 4:06 PM EST
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Native actually.
CelticBomber Offline
#481 Posted: Wed, Aug 26 2020, 4:09 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
Native actually.



See! It's worse than we thought. He'll cut you until he has a new wig!
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#482 Posted: Wed, Aug 26 2020, 4:11 PM EST
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Damn straight!
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#483 Posted: Wed, Aug 26 2020, 6:13 PM EST
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Change of evening plans so I'm available for general time wasting-
I don't believe logic is God & that's not where I was going but I can understand your fear that I was going there because it is obviously strong evidence for God.

Truth, knowledge, and logic are all necessary to prove anything, & you assumed & admitted to nearly all of them.
While you may try to account for truth, knowledge & logic without God, it's quite easy to expose your inability to do so & the Christian’s justification for them with God. But you quit.

While this proof is a valid “transcendental” proof (i.e. one that deals in necessary preconditions), no one needs this proof. The Bible teaches us that there are 2 types of people in this world, those who profess the truth of God’s existence & those who suppress the truth of God’s existence. The options of ‘seeking’ God, or not believing in God are unavailable. The Bible never attempts to prove the existence of God as it declares that those who deny Him are “without excuse” for suppressing what He has already revealed to them.
Thanks for listening!
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#484 Posted: Wed, Aug 26 2020, 6:57 PM EST
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Dg west deptford wrote:
Change of evening plans so I'm available for general time wasting-
I don't believe logic is God & that's not where I was going but I can understand your fear that I was going there because it is obviously strong evidence for God.

Truth, knowledge, and logic are all necessary to prove anything, & you assumed & admitted to nearly all of them.
While you may try to account for truth, knowledge & logic without God, it's quite easy to expose your inability to do so & the Christian’s justification for them with God. But you quit.

While this proof is a valid “transcendental” proof (i.e. one that deals in necessary preconditions), no one needs this proof. The Bible teaches us that there are 2 types of people in this world, those who profess the truth of God’s existence & those who suppress the truth of God’s existence. The options of ‘seeking’ God, or not believing in God are unavailable. The Bible never attempts to prove the existence of God as it declares that those who deny Him are “without excuse” for suppressing what He has already revealed to them.
Thanks for listening!


So the bible says that there's no excuse to not believe in the bible because the bible already revealed the truth?

So the subject of the definer is the definer therefore it has been defined.

Got it... pretty sure that's true for all indoctrination manuals.
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#485 Posted: Wed, Aug 26 2020, 7:08 PM EST
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Dg west deptford wrote:
Change of evening plans so I'm available for general time wasting-
I don't believe logic is God & that's not where I was going but I can understand your fear that I was going there because it is obviously strong evidence for God.

Truth, knowledge, and logic are all necessary to prove anything, & you assumed & admitted to nearly all of them.


I know this statement sounds deep to you but, it makes no sense. Those three are all necessary and we assumed and admitted to them? Yeah, sure. What?

Dg west deptford wrote:
While you may try to account for truth, knowledge & logic without God, it's quite easy to expose your inability to do so & the Christian’s justification for them with God. But you quit.


It's quite easy and yet you failed to do so. Spectacularly. Ten pages and counting for this thread. One clear, concise post laying out your justification and "Viola, the trick, she is done!"

Dg west deptford wrote:
While this proof is a valid “transcendental” proof (i.e. one that deals in necessary preconditions), no one needs this proof. The Bible teaches us that there are 2 types of people in this world, those who profess the truth of God’s existence & those who suppress the truth of God’s existence. The options of ‘seeking’ God, or not believing in God are unavailable. The Bible never attempts to prove the existence of God as it declares that those who deny Him are “without excuse” for suppressing what He has already revealed to them.
Thanks for listening!


So is the bible meant to be taken literally or is it metaphor? Both maybe? Who decides which is which? You? Someone else? I mean, it's so obvious that all Christians agree on which is which right? Oh wait... which bible? Didn't the son of your God believe in the first one? But, you don't? You believe in part deux? Hmm. Do you claim God revealed more truth to you than he did to his own son? I sense danger ahead. Bail out while you can! Save yourself! You avoid the word faith and try to substitute for it with proof, truth and logic. It doesn't work. If you have faith, then have faith. Don't pussyfoot around it. Why care about logic or truth or proof if all you need is faith. You really wouldn't want someone like me to have faith. If I believed I'd believe hard. I'd burn the world to ash if that's what I believed my God wanted from me. Why does that sound familiar.... (flips back through the last few thousand years of history) Oh, right. Now I know why it sounds familiar.


Wow... you can understand if I fear... Here's the thing your ego won't let you see. I don't fear. I don't fear you. I don't fear your reasoning. I don't fear having my idea's challenged. Pay attention to the next bit because it's important. I don't fear being wrong or saying "I don't know".
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#486 Posted: Wed, Aug 26 2020, 7:46 PM EST
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I appreciate you CB. I love the old covenant! The Law & the prophets, the whole thing is AWESOME!!!!! God breathed & therefore perfectly perfect glorifying to God & has unlimited power to save those who read it in faith humility and repentance.
Jeremiah spoke clearly about the coming new covenant as did all the prophets and Moses so not sure where you got the ideas?
Faith is also not something I have a problem with AT ALL!
Why do you have a problem with truth & logic is the question?
We agree completely on being cool with admitting wrong or saying I don't know.
Please understand your use of the word fear and my use of the word may differ slightly in meaning.
My apologies for assuming basic word knowledge usage.
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#487 Posted: Wed, Aug 26 2020, 7:49 PM EST
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'Fear' also means respect... not just be afraid... Mellow

Had to reread the previous posts.. but alot of people don't understand the phrase 'fear god'....
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#488 Posted: Wed, Aug 26 2020, 8:15 PM EST
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Seems silly to explain but yeah if someone said I fear jaywalking across a busy 6 lane highway. You wouldn't come to the conclusion that they tremble with nightmares at the thought of it. But rather that they have a healthy working brain that is capable of employing logic & reason in a sensible way.
Thanks DrafterX & again my apologies for assuming. I'll try but can't promise to use more basic English.
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#489 Posted: Wed, Aug 26 2020, 8:16 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
The Singing bush didn't quote the bible to Moses..?? Huh


Which one of them sings ? Maybe Moses read lips.
bgz Offline
#490 Posted: Wed, Aug 26 2020, 8:23 PM EST
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The problem with assuming the premise of a circular "logic system" is you end up having to come up with crazier and crazier arguments to rationalize the next node in the circle.

Then when you put those nodes to paper... they end up looking like bullet point soup.

That's where faith comes in... you have to believe in the premise first, then come up with arguments.

That's why many Christian peoples arguments start with "The Bible says...".

Because they believe the premise to be true (their religion is correct), it follows logically that the words in the official texts are true, therefore it's passages can be used as evidence to show that the premise is true (their religion is correct).

Bad logic.
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#491 Posted: Wed, Aug 26 2020, 8:27 PM EST
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The Bible could be credited for most of our basic laws... whether you believe in God or not it's still not a bad way to live... Mellow
bgz Offline
#492 Posted: Wed, Aug 26 2020, 8:40 PM EST
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Laws, like the thou shalt not be a d*ck and all that? (Bad Carlin Reference)

I'll admit, a lot of good came of religion.

Our calendar is pretty good... little weird, but it works.

Christmas is fun... kids love Christmas.

Pretty sure it was bad to kill, steal, f*ck your buddies' wives, etc... long before the Bible was written.
Dg west deptford Offline
#493 Posted: Wed, Aug 26 2020, 8:50 PM EST
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The Augustine calendar as well as the holidays you know are pagan.
The Hebrew is much better the Hebrew holidays are AWESOME!
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#494 Posted: Wed, Aug 26 2020, 8:57 PM EST
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bgz wrote:


Pretty sure it was bad to f*ck your buddies' wives


That's a bad thing..?? OhMyGod
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#495 Posted: Wed, Aug 26 2020, 9:01 PM EST
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bgz wrote:


That's where faith comes in... you have to believe in the premise first, then come up with arguments.

That's why many Christian peoples arguments start with "The Bible says...".

Because they believe the premise to be true (their religion is correct), it follows logically that the words in the official texts are true, therefore it's passages can be used as evidence to show that the premise is true (their religion is correct).

Bad logic.


Religion & the Bible are mutually exclusive things. But YES the Word of God is Truth. and the fear of God is the foundation of all knowledge.
Religion you can toss with your wives used menstrual rags. That's what the Bible says.

Some people argue that faith takes over where reason leaves off. This is not so with Christian faith. Reason requires a foundation, which only the Bible can provide. There are only 2 choices, either we try to reason our way TO the truth of the Bible or we reason FROM the truth of the Bible. The first choice attempts to arrive at belief, without justification for the tools of reasoning, the second takes the Bible as the foundation for truth and the justification for all reasoning.

Faith is not without reason. Faith is not above reason, or contrary to reason. In fact faith is demanded by reason. Everyone starts from faith, but not all admit it. Professed unbelievers say that they use reason as their starting point and not faith. We must ask though, what is their reason for trusting reason? The thing is, they don’t have a reason for trusting reason, they have a ‘blind faith’ in reason.

Everyone starts from faith. The question is not whether we start from faith but whether we will place that faith in God or in man.

The faith of the professed unbeliever cannot give a reason for reason. Christian faith on the other hand is the basis for all knowledge. The Bible teaches that “All the treasures of wisdom and knowledge are hidden in Christ.” (2 Colossians vs. 3), and that “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge.” (Proverbs 1 vs. 7)

Christian faith is not blind, rather it is the pre-condition for rational thought.
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#496 Posted: Wed, Aug 26 2020, 9:26 PM EST
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Dg west deptford wrote:
Religion & the Bible are mutually exclusive things. But YES the Word of God is Truth. and the fear of God is the foundation of all knowledge.
Religion you can toss with your wives used menstrual rags. That's what the Bible says.

You do know you made the statement that you can only have the Bible or religion, but not both.. you just made the claim that Christianity is not a religion... *scratches head* ... there's only one other thing it can be, lol.

Some people argue that faith takes over where reason leaves off. This is not so with Christian faith. Reason requires a foundation, which only the Bible can provide. There are only 2 choices, either we try to reason our way TO the truth of the Bible or we reason FROM the truth of the Bible. The first choice attempts to arrive at belief, without justification for the tools of reasoning, the second takes the Bible as the foundation for truth and the justification for all reasoning.

I'm taking notes... If I ever start a religion, make sure my subjects put faith before reason... k, got it, good stuff.

Faith is not without reason. Faith is not above reason, or contrary to reason. In fact faith is demanded by reason. Everyone starts from faith, but not all admit it. Professed unbelievers say that they use reason as their starting point and not faith. We must ask though, what is their reason for trusting reason? The thing is, they don’t have a reason for trusting reason, they have a ‘blind faith’ in reason.


Ok, ... you lost me...

I'm not even going to try to decipher that sh*t. It does appear you are preferring the former, which directly contradicts your previous paragraph... so I'm going to have to disagree with you. I would prefer my subjects to have "blind faith".


Everyone starts from faith. The question is not whether we start from faith but whether we will place that faith in God or in man.

Man... it takes generations to build up that indoctrination thing... I'm thinking in this day in age there's easier ways to make money.

The faith of the professed unbeliever cannot give a reason for reason. huh? Christian faith on the other hand is the basis for all knowledge That's a pretty bold claim there buddy.. The Bible teaches that “All the treasures of wisdom and knowledge are hidden in Christ.” (2 Colossians vs. 3), and that “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge.” (Proverbs 1 vs. 7)

See my post above on bad logic

Christian faith is not blind, rather it is the pre-condition for rational thought.


Bad Logic
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#497 Posted: Wed, Aug 26 2020, 9:43 PM EST
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Dg west deptford wrote:
Why do you have a problem with truth & logic is the question?



This is where you mess up. I don't have a problem with either. Never claimed too. You need better bait. Obvious troll is, well, obvious;-)
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#498 Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2020, 9:06 AM EST
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bgz wrote:
Bad Logic


Tremendous argument there bgz. Most impressive. One of Progressivism's favorite retorts.
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#499 Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2020, 9:16 AM EST
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RayR wrote:
Tremendous argument there bgz. Most impressive. One of Progressivism's favorite retorts.



If the retort fits, wear it.
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#500 Posted: Thu, Aug 27 2020, 9:36 AM EST
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RayR wrote:
Tremendous argument there bgz. Most impressive. One of Progressivism's favorite retorts.


Difference is RayRay, I described why it's bad... just because all you can see is "bad logic", not my problem.

The problem is, knowing how you generalize people, and how you only seem to be able to deal in absolutes... I will never, ever be able to take anything you say seriously. Not just on this topic, but any topic.
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