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Buckwheat Offline
#251 Posted: Mon, Aug 17 2020, 2:07 PM EST
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Which god does he hate? Beer
victor809 Offline
#252 Posted: Mon, Aug 17 2020, 2:38 PM EST
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RayR wrote:
Oh Geez! Another one, I never thought that there could be so many progressives among cigar smokers of all people.
You guys probably believe in increasing taxes on cigars because "it's for the children".

Now its Progressiveness freed the slaves. LOL! Yes, women got the vote but progressiveness worked to deny the freed slaves the right to vote or put so many obstacles in their way to make them give up.

As Jim Ostrowski wrote:
"Progressivism is the widely held belief that positive state action, that is, force, can improve society. There wasn’t a clear notion of this concept so I wrote a book about it. As I explain in, progressivism is a not a rational or logical system of thought but a form of self-help therapy that makes the progressive feel better by providing a magical solution to all of the life’s problems: state action. The problem is that it doesn’t work and makes matters worse. However, since progressivism wasn’t conceived as a rational ideology in the first place, its failure doesn’t faze the progressive. Instead, they cling to its therapeutic value by inventing scapegoats for the problems caused by state action. They also construe any problem as an instance where not enough state action was used. Hence, the endless calls for more spending to rescue a long series of failed progressive programs such as the drug war, government schools or the interventions into."
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/10/james-ostrowski/progressive-heal-thyself/

Now lets move on to more current meltdown events and the legacy of Progressivism.
BLM and ANTIFA Marxist Orcs rampaging through the streets, rioting, looting (socialism without the middle man), burning, destroying private and public property, assaulting and even killing. They are the legacy of Progressivism, they are Progressivism's Rosemary's Baby. You can't disown them, your sicko progressive mayors, governors etc... even embrace them. Yes sir, that's called "Progress"!ThumpUp


I get this ray guy isn't very smart..... but this is some next level dumb.
frankj1 Offline
#253 Posted: Mon, Aug 17 2020, 3:09 PM EST
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RayR wrote:
OK, I give you Joe Biden as proof again that Progressivism is a cult.
I saw this campaign commercial yesterday with Joe speaking (he speaks clearly enough as long as he takes his meds)
https://youtu.be/GY5w_p5dc7k
Joe is calling for a national plan to save lives from the Corona Virus with "unified nationwide standards". It's all a top down plan of course, progressives love centralized government dictates. Maybe Joe has a Soviet style 5 year plan to contain the virus, after all a good progressive plan should never let a good crisis go to waste. As Ludwig Von Mises wrote, "Most of the tyrants, despots, and dictators are sincerely convinced that their rule is beneficial for the people, that theirs is government for the people." Maybe Joe actually believes his own BS, I don't know, or maybe he's just mouth breathing what he was told to say.
He tops it off with the "we are all in this together" spiel as to make soft minds believe they are on a noble crusade into battle with their great general leading the charge. It's actually more like herds of lemmings committing mass suicide by jumping off a cliff.
Part of that plan is mandatory "national mask mandates". "Everyone needs to wear a mask in public" says ye wannabe dictator. Progressives love the words "national" and "mandates", it signifies absolute power and subservience of the individual to the state. I'm sure all good progressives are ready to goosestep to those decrees.


if I may...

Biden did in fact say we should all wear masks, but he specifically called on each Governor to implement that strategy in their own states.

Not the stuff of centralized government.


On the other side of the aisle are some moves that do smell of centralizing and consolidating power...
claims of having power above and beyond the other equal branches of our checks-and-balances government.
or possibly worse, methodically eliminating IG's and other vehicles of oversite.
or purposely appointing "acting" heads of departments to circumvent the approval process and place sycophants in those offices.
or...
HockeyDad Offline
#254 Posted: Mon, Aug 17 2020, 3:23 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
If you're president, are you going to wear that stupid bird hat in your avatar? If so, you got my vote.


That’s a Black Plague doctors mask. Seems appropriate since we are all going to die of Covid.

One of my first executive orders will be to mandate everyone to wear a plague mask.
Speyside Offline
#255 Posted: Mon, Aug 17 2020, 3:25 PM EST
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Ray Ray, if Biden wins, which is very possible, what are you going to do? Do you have an exit strategy? Will you ride it out till the next election? Will you join a militia? Will you move to a region in the country where most people are of similar mind?
victor809 Offline
#256 Posted: Mon, Aug 17 2020, 3:29 PM EST
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He seems like the kinda guy who'll just sit on his porch and whine loudly.
HockeyDad Offline
#257 Posted: Mon, Aug 17 2020, 3:31 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
if I may...

Biden did in fact say we should all wear masks, but he specifically called on each Governor to implement that strategy in their own states.


So the exact same thing Trump said.
bgz Offline
#258 Posted: Mon, Aug 17 2020, 3:34 PM EST
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RayR wrote:
Frying pan
OMG! Does anybody here have the patience to help this poor boy out?
I think I've run of patience for today.Brick wall


What rayray is trying to say is, if you're not dangling on trump's nut sack, then you're a progressive... and pogress is bad. He's saying he prefers his dictators in orange.
rfenst Offline
#259 Posted: Mon, Aug 17 2020, 4:23 PM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
if I may...

Biden did in fact say we should all wear masks, but he specifically called on each Governor to implement that strategy in their own states.

Not the stuff of centralized government.


On the other side of the aisle are some moves that do smell of centralizing and consolidating power...
claims of having power above and beyond the other equal branches of our checks-and-balances government.
or possibly worse, methodically eliminating IG's and other vehicles of oversite.
or purposely appointing "acting" heads of departments to circumvent the approval process and place sycophants in those offices.
or...

True. I heard him say it during his speech.
I believe the moves smell pretty bad.
fiddler898 Offline
#260 Posted: Mon, Aug 17 2020, 4:26 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
So the exact same thing Trump said.


... 4 months too late.
CelticBomber Offline
#261 Posted: Mon, Aug 17 2020, 4:46 PM EST
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bgz wrote:
What rayray is trying to say is, if you're not dangling on trump's nut sack, then you're a progressive... and pogress is bad. He's saying he prefers his dictators in orange.



I thought orange was the new black?
frankj1 Offline
#262 Posted: Mon, Aug 17 2020, 5:57 PM EST
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fiddler898 wrote:
... 4 months too late.

and without the conviction...





see what I did there?
Dg west deptford Offline
#263 Posted: Mon, Aug 17 2020, 7:19 PM EST
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Portland has fallen to the Biden-Harris voters. Congressman pressley is praising the violent, murderous scum. Sadly she's far from alone.
The division of Godly vs. Godless is getting very clear.
Why are Democrat leaders not calling out this gross wickedness?
CelticBomber Offline
#264 Posted: Mon, Aug 17 2020, 7:31 PM EST
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Dg west deptford wrote:
Portland has fallen to the Biden-Harris voters. Congressman pressley is praising the violent, murderous scum. Sadly she's far from alone.
The division of Godly vs. Godless is getting very clear.
Why are Democrat leaders not calling out this gross wickedness?



Godly vs Godless.... I just rolled my eyes so hard I lost one. Now, thanks to your ignorance, I look like a pirate.
delta1 Offline
#265 Posted: Mon, Aug 17 2020, 7:38 PM EST
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heh...reading that stuff reminded me of Howard Cosell's famous rant..."who GOOFED? I HAVE to know..."
Dg west deptford Offline
#266 Posted: Mon, Aug 17 2020, 7:51 PM EST
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High priority on Dem platform abortion access for men and tax payer funded.
"Not a joke"
Someone should make a list of these " not a joke" agendas' of Joe's.
I know I shouldn't laugh but these "not a joke" things Joe always touts are hilarious. Maybe he missed his calling and should've been a stand up comedian.
bgz Offline
#267 Posted: Mon, Aug 17 2020, 9:54 PM EST
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It's decipher time!


Dg west deptford wrote:

Portland has fallen to the Biden-Harris voters. Congressman pressley is praising the violent, murderous scum.

This statement is proclaiming all Biden-Harris voters to be murderous scum... sources please?

Sadly she's far from alone.
The division of Godly vs. Godless is getting very clear.

Judging based on historic events, I have to assume the murderous scum are the godly ones? Kinda hard to tell, because you really haven't defined which ones are which yet (ooOoOO so excited to find out)

Why are Democrat leaders not calling out this gross wickedness?

You want the Democrat leaders to call out the murderous, godly scum? Sounds reasonable.

High priority on Dem platform abortion access for men and tax payer funded.

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"Not a joke"

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Someone should make a list of these " not a joke" agendas' of Joe's.
I know I shouldn't laugh but these "not a joke" things Joe always touts are hilarious. Maybe he missed his calling and should've been a stand up comedian.

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Did this guy just say abortion access for men? Oh man, I knew this century was going to be great!
RayR Offline
#268 Posted: Tue, Aug 18 2020, 9:33 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
I get this ray guy isn't very smart..... but this is some next level dumb.


Now Victor, you haven't said one thing intelligent in response and you're calling me dumb?
I can empathize sort of, a lot of you guys lead a cloistered life in a false dichotomy where there are only progressives and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, left and right. I guess what I presented wasn't on your index card of allowable opinion so you don't know how to engage it, so all I hear is crickets with an occasion ad hominem.
victor809 Offline
#269 Posted: Tue, Aug 18 2020, 9:41 AM EST
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Dg west deptford wrote:
Portland has fallen to the Biden-Harris voters. Congressman pressley is praising the violent, murderous scum. Sadly she's far from alone.
The division of Godly vs. Godless is getting very clear.
Why are Democrat leaders not calling out this gross wickedness?


.... pretty sure "murderous" is inaccurate.
victor809 Offline
#270 Posted: Tue, Aug 18 2020, 9:43 AM EST
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RayR wrote:
Now Victor, you haven't said one thing intelligent in response and you're calling me dumb?
I can empathize sort of, a lot of you guys lead a cloistered life in a false dichotomy where there are only progressives and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, left and right. I guess what I presented wasn't on your index card of allowable opinion so you don't know how to engage it, so all I hear is crickets with an occasion ad hominem.


you literally spewed a bunch of nonsense which tried to categorize huge groups of people into "progressives" based on essentially nothing, called them a "cult" and then assigned a whole list of goals to them. And you're dumb enough to accuse others of looking only at a "false dichotomy"?
bgz Offline
#271 Posted: Tue, Aug 18 2020, 9:44 AM EST
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RayR wrote:
Now Victor, you haven't said one thing intelligent in response and you're calling me dumb?


If it's any consolation, I think you're an idiot too.
RayR Offline
#272 Posted: Tue, Aug 18 2020, 9:49 AM EST
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bgz wrote:
What rayray is trying to say is, if you're not dangling on trump's nut sack, then you're a progressive... and pogress is bad. He's saying he prefers his dictators in orange.


Now here's another perfect example of a mind trapped in the duality and unable to respond intelligently, instead building a straw man and the obligatory ad hominem. So sad, the progressive education system should be abolished for the sake of humanity because its progress has been going the wrong way.

EDIT: Now as I just posted I see you fired off another ad hominem a few minutes before. What happened? No strawman this time? No claim that I'm "dangling on trump's nut sack"?
bgz Offline
#273 Posted: Tue, Aug 18 2020, 9:57 AM EST
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RayR wrote:
Now here's another perfect example of a mind trapped in the duality

Technically everything is in superposition, so you're not exactly wrong, but you'll never understand why.

and unable to respond intelligently, instead building a straw man

You seem to have a thing for straw men.... you grew up on a farm didn't you?

and the obligatory ad hominem. So sad, the progressive education system should be abolished for the sake of humanity because its progress has been going the wrong way.

Your probably one of those "cursive is more important than computers" idiots.



You notice how when I break up your thoughts, you can barely see a link between them? That's because you can't put two consecutive thoughts together.

Bullet point soup is all you know... the one in the black and white can... says soup on it.
RayR Offline
#274 Posted: Tue, Aug 18 2020, 10:03 AM EST
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Dg west deptford wrote:
Portland has fallen to the Biden-Harris voters. Congressman pressley is praising the violent, murderous scum. Sadly she's far from alone.
The division of Godly vs. Godless is getting very clear.
Why are Democrat leaders not calling out this gross wickedness?


You see...wickedness has become a virtue in progressiveness. That's what they call PROGRESS. it's the nature of the beast, the origins of the modern left reaches back to the original left, the Jacobins of the French Revolution.
bgz Offline
#275 Posted: Tue, Aug 18 2020, 10:09 AM EST
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You made sense of that drivel?

Wait, yours was just as incoherent as the other guy.

You must be speaking in tongue.

I hear that happens to possessed people, you should see a shrink... er priest... wait, that's probably how you ended up with a strawman fetish...
victor809 Offline
#276 Posted: Tue, Aug 18 2020, 10:22 AM EST
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Sounds like these two are made for each other
fiddler898 Offline
#277 Posted: Tue, Aug 18 2020, 10:43 AM EST
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frankj1 wrote:
and without the conviction...


Yet...

Yes I did.
delta1 Offline
#278 Posted: Tue, Aug 18 2020, 11:04 AM EST
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anybody know who Jim Ostrowski is? He's not prominently mentioned as a leading thinker of the progressive philosophy...not even mentioned as a major critic of the movement...


here's a self critique, by Ostrowski, from the website Ray cited:

"I spent forty years trying to change things through the political process and by writing hundreds of articles that, in my opinion, diagnosed problems and proposed workable solutions. The response, not only to my modest efforts but to the whole liberty movement, was a yawn. People did not listen. They did not want to hear it."

really Ray?...... you're planting your flag with and following this guy???
Speyside Offline
#279 Posted: Tue, Aug 18 2020, 11:06 AM EST
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Give em a break they were probably both alter boys, just sayin. Religious fundamentalism is dangerous to society no matter what the religion.
frankj1 Offline
#280 Posted: Tue, Aug 18 2020, 11:40 AM EST
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the original The End Is Near doom predictors wore fig leaves.
delta1 Offline
#281 Posted: Tue, Aug 18 2020, 1:54 PM EST
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as if many people today give a fig
frankj1 Offline
#282 Posted: Tue, Aug 18 2020, 4:04 PM EST
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can't find one in my size
ROGER JARRETT Offline
#283 Posted: Tue, Aug 18 2020, 7:12 PM EST
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I think the puppet on the right shares my beliefs.
I think the puppet on the left is more to my liking.
Hey, wait a minute, there's one guy holding out both puppets.
frankj1 Offline
#284 Posted: Tue, Aug 18 2020, 8:27 PM EST
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Putin?
bgz Offline
#285 Posted: Tue, Aug 18 2020, 9:39 PM EST
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Lol
frankj1 Offline
#286 Posted: Tue, Aug 18 2020, 9:50 PM EST
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I was serious...
ROGER JARRETT Offline
#287 Posted: Tue, Aug 18 2020, 9:56 PM EST
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No, Bill Hicks.
frankj1 Offline
#288 Posted: Tue, Aug 18 2020, 10:06 PM EST
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didn't realize you meant someone who died for our sins
bgz Offline
#289 Posted: Tue, Aug 18 2020, 10:20 PM EST
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lol wat? frank on fire tonight!
frankj1 Offline
#290 Posted: Wed, Aug 19 2020, 6:56 AM EST
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I'm all done now.
You've been a great audience.
RayR Offline
#291 Posted: Wed, Aug 19 2020, 8:39 AM EST
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delta1 wrote:
anybody know who Jim Ostrowski is? He's not prominently mentioned as a leading thinker of the progressive philosophy...not even mentioned as a major critic of the movement...


here's a self critique, by Ostrowski, from the website Ray cited:

"I spent forty years trying to change things through the political process and by writing hundreds of articles that, in my opinion, diagnosed problems and proposed workable solutions. The response, not only to my modest efforts but to the whole liberty movement, was a yawn. People did not listen. They did not want to hear it."

really Ray?...... you're planting your flag with and following this guy???


You dip your toe momentarily into a subject and think you've got a grip on everything. It's an amazing capability you progressives think you have, it's like knowledge by osmosis, which explains your ability to suck up all kinds of absurd ideas. What takes most people weeks, months or even years to understand, you got it in a matter of minutes.

I know Jim personally, he's a local guy. He's right, I was there with him for a time and the focus was greatly on local and state issues.
The majority of people are afraid of change, even when it would be change for the better. They are more comfortable with the status quo even it it works against their best interests. How else do you explain the current condition of New York State, the Progressive crap hole that it is? How do you explain Governor and Prince, Andrew Cuomo. He's another fake Catholic like Biden and Pelosi. Cuomo's political inspiration is Niccolò Machiavelli, you know "the end justifies the means" guy. Prince Andrew is a cold calculating Machiavellian, the source of his political philosophy is not an exaggeration or hyperbole.
https://www.bizjournals.com/chicago/how-to/human-resources/2016/10/leader-s-philosophy-affects-organization-s-culture.html
https://www.thecatholicthing.org/2017/01/11/andrew-cuomo-nys-machiavellian-governor/

He, like all progressive tyrants he never takes responsibility for any of his progressive failures, which are many.
I found it most telling how easily conservatives could be suckered. When he was on TV everyday giving out specious statistics, barking out orders, and looking like he's got a grip on this Corona thing, even conservatives gave him a 80% approval rating for his political theatre. That was before the revelations of the nursing home tragedies and who done it.
When he ran out of stuff to talk about, he might talk about his mothers meatballs or show off a collage he made of hundreds of homemade masks sent to him, he calls "A Self Portrait of America".
(Beware those with sensitive ears, very funny but lots of adult language) https://youtu.be/yt-aDwReUME

victor809 Offline
#292 Posted: Wed, Aug 19 2020, 9:33 AM EST
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So RayR is probably just this Jim Ostowroski guy trying to drum up business for his book.
bgz Offline
#293 Posted: Wed, Aug 19 2020, 9:38 AM EST
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Think you're on to something there...

Guess I don't need the book now, got the real thing right here.
bgz Offline
#294 Posted: Wed, Aug 19 2020, 9:42 AM EST
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Found his book!!!

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/4b5e/e76f20c4fa09875ba82bcb28d03a82c8a4b8.pdf

Actually looks really interesting, I downloaded it, probably going to read it!
RayR Offline
#295 Posted: Wed, Aug 19 2020, 9:53 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
So RayR is probably just this Jim Ostowroski guy trying to drum up business for his book.


Victor, you comments get more and more inane as time goes on. It's a feature of the progressive mind.
victor809 Offline
#296 Posted: Wed, Aug 19 2020, 9:54 AM EST
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RayR wrote:
Victor, you comments get more and more inane as time goes on. It's a feature of the progressive mind.


Why do you think I'm "progressive"?
RayR Offline
#297 Posted: Wed, Aug 19 2020, 9:57 AM EST
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bgz wrote:
Think you're on to something there...

Guess I don't need the book now, got the real thing right here.


Comeon Man! as your senile progressive thought leader says.
You don't read books, you absorb their essence through the ether.
bgz Offline
#298 Posted: Wed, Aug 19 2020, 10:16 AM EST
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RayR wrote:
Comeon Man! as your senile progressive thought leader says.
You don't read books, you absorb their essence through the ether.


You're my senile progressive thought leader???

Where you been all my life... you must teach me this knowledge absorbtion trick... You realize how much time that will save me?

Oh, what kind of rates are you giving on insurance these days?
bgz Offline
#299 Posted: Wed, Aug 19 2020, 10:20 AM EST
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oh ya, spoiler alert... the "book" I found is actually thesis paper from a dude with the same name about symetry in integer programming.

Though it is up my alley for something I might read, I probably won't actually read it.
RayR Offline
#300 Posted: Wed, Aug 19 2020, 10:48 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Why do you think I'm "progressive"?


Walks like a progressive, talks like a progressive....must be a progressive!

Progressivism is not something limited to Democrats, NO NO NO. It infects those that refer to themselves as Independents, Conservative and Republicans. It's a sickening belief that a civilized society is not organic, but must be artificially thrust forward toward Utopia by "democracy", the God of progressivism.
H.L. Menken had an accurate definition of democracy which naturally repelled Progressives...
“Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance. No one in this world, so far as I know—and I have researched the records for years, and employed agents to help me—has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.”

I give one of the worst Progressives in history as an example, which is why naturally progressives on all sides adore him as among the greatest of presidents. Like all progressives he was the consummate nationalist busybody, he loved war as the way to national greatness, he hated decentralization of power, therefore he hated the old Jeffersonian republic and relished the idea of the imperial presidency among other disgusting things.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2010/06/thomas-woods/the-evil-of-teddy/
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