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Sunoverbeach Offline
#251 Posted:
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I'm no designer nor geometrical wizard, but using three points in one room, isn't it nigh impossible to avoid making a triangle?
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#252 Posted:
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Oh, yeah. Straight line. Definitely don't do that
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#253 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
sink, stove, fridge...make a triangle...step one.


Our current layout for the size of the room will not change much, that's already established, measured, and written down. The only change is I'm taking out a built-in pantry to replace with a cabinet pantry so everything faces into the work area. But location of the stink stove fridge are set. Sink is fixed in place due to window location and the room isn't big enough for an island sink.

We can't decide on cabinet or countertop style or color. She's picked out the flooring though. I don't want to be the one that picks the permanent fixtures without her input. She hasn't granted me the "you pick" yet. I like what we have, it's all custom Amish handmade hardwood and has a nice radius by the back door. But it's early 1950's and does need to be updated. My preferences are not ideal for resale is what I've been told. But.. I don't plan to move anytime soon

Step one is done. I blew all my bonus money on vacations so step 2 - funding is gonna be the next thing to work on. I told the wife a few days ago when she mentioned doing the kitchen that she needs to work on picking out cabinets so I can get drawings and quotes so maybe it'll happen next winter. I was/am hoping it can be done for $10k. There's nothing in there I can't or won't do myself except taping drywall and that's not very expensive to pay for so it's straight material costs. Can move appliances into the climate controlled garage and still cook/function just fine even have a laundry tub sink in the garage so that's easy.
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#254 Posted:
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
Oh, yeah. Straight line. Definitely don't do that


I see what you did, but that was the only alternate suggestion made to us by a friends wife who does kitchen/cabinet sales. She designs layouts and said there's two ways she'd suggest. Fridge up against the wall to the left, then stove, then sink all in a straight line. But that would require moving the dishwasher to the other side, and extra plumbing work for really no benefit

The other option is keeping the same layout. The room is small, 11x13 if I remember right. So not many options for rearranging the furniture.
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#255 Posted:
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With solid hardwood cabinets, any chance you could get away with just changing the doors and countertops to upgrade the look? Didn't fly when we did ours, but thought I'd ask
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#256 Posted:
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Happy start o' the week to ya, my fellow race rats
Ram27 Offline
#257 Posted:
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Welcome to the start of a new week folks.RollEyes
deadeyedick Offline
#258 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
Is Prescott nice? A visit to Phoenix is on our list for this year as part of the “Leaving California Adventure.”


Nice areas and not so nice. Small town atmosphere with 50K in the city and about 130K altogether. A mix of modern and rustic. Town square, courthouse park and Whiskey Row are scenic. Lots of view properties in the hills at 5300 ft. And four seasons with very little snow. Worth a look.

And if you are coming to Phx...bring your own water.
MACS Offline
#259 Posted:
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Mornin' dudes... it's a titty bit nipply out there. 37 degrees
Gene363 Online
#260 Posted:
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Good Monday Morning! It's an overcast 67° on the way to 84° today. I'm off to the range, might rain tomorrow.
danmdevries Offline
#261 Posted:
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
With solid hardwood cabinets, any chance you could get away with just changing the doors and countertops to upgrade the look? Didn't fly when we did ours, but thought I'd ask


Not possible with the radiused cabinets. Also I'd prefer ceiling height and they're mounted under soffits and want drawer sliders and stuff.

I did propose the option of tearing everything out and keeping but painting them but wife said if it's all coming out they're not going back in.
Sunoverbeach Offline
#262 Posted:
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Oh well. Was worth a shot
HockeyDad Offline
#263 Posted:
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Day one of demo day is done.

Making chili for dinner. Wendy’s style….. beans and tomatoes…not that Texas mush meat stuff. (RIP Wheelrite)
HockeyDad Offline
#264 Posted:
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deadeyedick wrote:
Nice areas and not so nice. Small town atmosphere with 50K in the city and about 130K altogether. A mix of modern and rustic. Town square, courthouse park and Whiskey Row are scenic. Lots of view properties in the hills at 5300 ft. And four seasons with very little snow. Worth a look.

And if you are coming to Phx...bring your own water.


I’ll bring a case of Arrowhead spring water and as I drink them I’ll throw them out the car window. That way you’ll know a Californian is near.

(The moral of this story is Californians litter.)
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#265 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:


Making chili for dinner. Wendy’s style….. beans and tomatoes…not that Texas mush meat stuff. (RIP Wheelrite)



Blasphemy................beans in chili.Wheel I feel your pain Brother
MACS Offline
#266 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
Day one of demo day is done.

Making chili for dinner. Wendy’s style….. beans and tomatoes…not that Texas mush meat stuff. (RIP Wheelrite)


Yeah... mine has kidney beans and black beans... as it should.
8trackdisco Offline
#267 Posted:
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Why would put you put beans in chili. Chili beans are a thing, right.

Then the would belong in chili. How is this hard?

Now the upper Midwest version with noodles, I understand the apprehension.
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#268 Posted:
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Auto Shop Moment of The day.

Guy apparently stopped during mid Fall and was told he needed tires. Would hacost him between $600-$625. Said he’d save his money and buy them in the Spring.

Over the weekend, his bald tires gave up the ghost and hit the curb harrrrrd.

Two new wheels, four tires, alignment and other assorted goodies. All in for the Winter Curbed Enthusiasm…… $3,660.
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#269 Posted:
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Is that a cheese head thing? We don't add pasta to chili down here. I know the Cincinnati folk pour it on spaghetti, but southern OH is a special kinda crazy
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#270 Posted:
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Adding macaroni noodles to chili is a WI (other areas?) thing but not always. Probably a leftover thing form the old days to stretch a food budget. I don't make it with noodles.

Ground beef
Stew meat
Peppers
Onions
Garlic
Can of Rotel diced tomatoes and chillies
Diced tomatoes and/or crushed tomato (from a can)
Blend of tomato sauce and paste (from a can) to get to the desired consistency
Typical chili seasonings & hot sauce to desired heat level.

Let it stew in a crock pot for the day, then eat topped with shredded cheese and jalapeno slices. Corn bread or saltines.

Even though it's good the day of, it's even better the following day(s) when given some rest to let everything meld. Usually make a big batch, eat some day of put the rest in the fridge overnight to age then freeze in smaller single serving portions for lunches and stuff.
HockeyDad Offline
#271 Posted:
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Chili on spaghetti is one of the reasons Ohio is a flyover state.
BuckyB93 Offline
#272 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
Chili on spaghetti is one of the reasons Ohio is a flyover state.


That and one of their colleges have a stupid nut as a mascot. Seriously WTF?

Well... at least the mascot won't be canceled unless the legumes feel that they are under represented.
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#273 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
Chili on spaghetti is one of the reasons Ohio is a flyover state.


Hey - I was in Chicago on business a couple of years ago (pre-covidpocalypse). I stopped in a pizzaria that had chili pizza. I didn't try it mainly because it just looked wrong. lol
BuckyB93 Offline
#274 Posted:
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I like chili, I like pizza but they should not mix.

Been seeing cauliflower pizza crust and chickpea pizza crust pizzas in the frozen pizza section at grocery stores lately. I haven't tried either one so I can't honestly comment on how they taste but don't really have an urge to try one. This makes no sense to me unless someone has dietary issues with typical pizza crusts. Maybe I'm missing something but cauliflower pizza crust... WTF?

I blame Biden, Trump, Obama, Bush, and the Clintons.
Speyside2 Offline
#275 Posted:
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Cauliflower crust is terrible IMHO.
Sunoverbeach Offline
#276 Posted:
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BuckyB93 wrote:
That and one of their colleges have a stupid nut as a mascot. Seriously WTF?

Well... at least the mascot won't be canceled unless the legumes feel that they are under represented.

That nut is highly poisonous with possible symptoms all the way up to paralysis and death. FEAR the nut! Do NOT put the nut in your mouth!

(FYI autocorrect tried to screw me hard on this one, changing all nuts to buts)

And yes, due to incredible foresight or maybe just plain luck, mascot is relatively woke resistant, barring a complaint from the Sierra Club
Sunoverbeach Offline
#277 Posted:
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Morning, peoples. Get out there and enjoy your Tues. Or go to work, whichever.
Ram27 Offline
#278 Posted:
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Hello Tuesday......................
8trackdisco Offline
#279 Posted:
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Sunoverbeach wrote:
Is that a cheese head thing? We don't add pasta to chili down here. I know the Cincinnati folk pour it on spaghetti, but southern OH is a special kinda crazy


Wisconsin thing. Heard it was done in Minnesota too. Recipes differ. Was raised on chili with elbow macaroni in it. Restaurants often pour it over spaghetti. It started during the Great Depression. The noodles filled the tummy more completely when food and money were short.

Thought noodles went in all chilis.

Was in an unfamiliar part of the country and saw chili on the menu. They asked if I wanted red or green. Phfft. I’m not stupid. Red is red hot- ordered the green.

First taste was a full spoonful. It wasn’t a lovin’ spoonful. Was sure they poisoned me.

Chili means something different in Gallup, New Mexico.
8trackdisco Offline
#280 Posted:
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BuckyB93 wrote:
I like chili, I like pizza but they should not mix.

Been seeing cauliflower pizza crust and chickpea pizza crust pizzas in the frozen pizza section at grocery stores lately. I haven't tried either one so I can't honestly comment on how they taste but don't really have an urge to try one. This makes no sense to me unless someone has dietary issues with typical pizza crusts. Maybe I'm missing something but cauliflower pizza crust... WTF?

I blame Biden, Trump, Obama, Bush, and the Clintons.


Wife bought a cauliflower crusted frozen pizza over the weekend. Don’t think you’ll be able to read my review here as you are about to be Cancelled. I like chili, I like pizza but they should not mix.

You can’t tell people who/what they can love.
Some people were just born different!
Advocating for chili on pizza people to go to a special place to Pray the Chili Away.
Nature vs Nurture!
Can-cel, Buc-ky! (Clap, clap….. clap clap!)
Hey hey, ho ho, anti chili pizza has got to go!
deadeyedick Offline
#281 Posted:
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BuckyB93 wrote:
Adding macaroni noodles to chili is a WI (other areas?) thing but not always. Probably a leftover thing form the old days to stretch a food budget. I don't make it with noodles.

Ground beef
Stew meat
Peppers
Onions
Garlic
Can of Rotel diced tomatoes and chillies
Diced tomatoes and/or crushed tomato (from a can)
Blend of tomato sauce and paste (from a can) to get to the desired consistency
Typical chili seasonings & hot sauce to desired heat level.

Let it stew in a crock pot for the day, then eat topped with shredded cheese and jalapeno slices. Corn bread or saltines.

Even though it's good the day of, it's even better the following day(s) when given some rest to let everything meld. Usually make a big batch, eat some day of put the rest in the fridge overnight to age then freeze in smaller single serving portions for lunches and stuff.


Ya forgot the beans.
MACS Offline
#282 Posted:
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"Chili-Mac" was on the school lunch menu in RI, too. Meh... it was good, but it was damn sure more mac than chili.

Nature walk planned, but it needs to get into the 40's first... 37 right now.
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#283 Posted:
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Good Tuesday Morning! It's a cloudy 60° on the way to 69° with rain later today. I'm off to the range today.

Taxing TurboTax/e-filing drama.

I uploaded my taxes last night using TurboTax, but only after they were rejected twice by the Feds. The state automatically rejects them if the Feds reject. We file married filing jointly so there is only one Adjusted Gross Income (AGI), but our file was rejected because the Spouse's AGI did not match the entry for last year.

After some investigation, apparently the IRS only checks this for electronically filed taxes. I put in the correct number and they were rejected again. Brick wall Then I went through a bunch of hoops getting a ID.me account with the IRS to download a transcript of our 2020 taxes from the IRS, to validate the same number I had already entered. Brick wall

In my research I found similar rejections that were fixed by entering a zero, but the advice from TurboTax was to resubmit and if that did not work, send the IRS a paper copy, never mind having already paid to electronically file. I entered a zero and the Feds accepted the filing and after that I sent in the state filing and it too was accepted.

So if I suddenly disappear, you'll know why. Anxious
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#284 Posted:
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deadeyedick wrote:
Ya forgot the beans.


d'oh!

Can of kidney beans and or black beans (rinsed). Roughly 1/3 beans and 2/3 meat ratio.
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#285 Posted:
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At the dentist getting 5 teeth drilled out.

When it's done I've got 30lbs of meats to put in the smoker. 2 flats and 2 points of desalinated corned beefs rubbed with pastrami spice, and a whole salmon
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Crazy windy last night. Woke me up with rain pelting the windows. Still windy but with blue skies and fluffy clouds, 35°
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8trackdisco wrote:
Wisconsin thing. Heard it was done in Minnesota too. Recipes differ. Was raised on chili with elbow macaroni in it. Restaurants often pour it over spaghetti. It started during the Great Depression. The noodles filled the tummy more completely when food and money were short.

Thought noodles went in all chilis.

Was in an unfamiliar part of the country and saw chili on the menu. They asked if I wanted red or green. Phfft. I’m not stupid. Red is red hot- ordered the green.

First taste was a full spoonful. It wasn’t a lovin’ spoonful. Was sure they poisoned me.

Chili means something different in Gallup, New Mexico.



Chili with elbow macaroni is “Chili Mac”. That is acceptable but more of a Hamburger Helper than chili.

Chili mush over spaghetti is an abomination.

In the Southwest:

Chile verde - slow cooked pork in green tomatillo sauce

Chili Colorado - slow cooked beef in red pepper sauce.

These are both fantastic! Neither necessarily spicy. I learned how to make these during ‘Rona.
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#288 Posted:
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Now I feel like I should have a batch of chili I've never had before simmering on the stove. I love trying new food.

I'll look at recipes and do it tomorrow.

The chili my wife makes I don't much care for. It's three different canned beans, some canned tomato stuff, onion, and a packet of chili seasoning. If there's smoked chicken on hand she'll add that in but not pork or beef. Haven't seen a whole chicken in the store for many months now so I'm completely out of smoked chicken.

Still better than what I had as a kid which was tomato juice, canned chili beans, and ground beef. No seasonings allowed in my parents house so it just tasted like tomato juice canned beans and ground beef.
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Brisket coming up on 160 after 3 hours. Feels like it's going too fast. Pit temp has been steady around 240.

On the fence between wrapping them or leaving bare. Bark hasn't fully developed yet so I don't want to wrap now. Opened it up and rotated the meats to different trays and flipped em to fat cap down. Meat side still wet and drippy. Fat side getting browned. Once it's all barked over I'm gonna at least wrap the flats. I think the points can go without.

First time doing brisket, so I'm just going by what I've read and watched online.
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danmdevries wrote:
Brisket coming up on 160 after 3 hours. Feels like it's going too fast. Pit temp has been steady around 240.

On the fence between wrapping them or leaving bare. Bark hasn't fully developed yet so I don't want to wrap now. Opened it up and rotated the meats to different trays and flipped em to fat cap down. Meat side still wet and drippy. Fat side getting browned. Once it's all barked over I'm gonna at least wrap the flats. I think the points can go without.

First time doing brisket, so I'm just going by what I've read and watched online.



Just wondering.....did you separate the flat and point? If so, why? Think
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danmdevries wrote:
At the dentist getting 5 teeth drilled out.

When it's done I've got 30lbs of meats to put in the smoker. 2 flats and 2 points of desalinated corned beefs rubbed with pastrami spice, and a whole salmon


OUCH! Gonz

Sounds like a lotta Novocain. Pray
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#292 Posted:
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Novacaine!?!? Danm's like Dalton. Pain don't hurt
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dkeage wrote:
Just wondering.....did you separate the flat and point? If so, why? Think


Started with corned beef packs on sale for $3.50/lb for flats and $3/lb for points. Soaked em in water exchanged a few times for 24hrs to desalinate. Rubbed with cracked pepper and coriander to make pastramis.

I've never done a brisket because of the cost. Thought this would be a fun experiment with little cost. Whole packers were $14/lb right next to the corned beefs so I got 4 of them around 4.5lb ea 2 points 2 flats.
MACS Offline
#294 Posted:
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Before all the dadgum bbq shows telling people how to cook brisket, it WAS cheap.
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#295 Posted:
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danmdevries wrote:
Started with corned beef packs on sale for $3.50/lb for flats and $3/lb for points. Soaked em in water exchanged a few times for 24hrs to desalinate. Rubbed with cracked pepper and coriander to make pastramis.

I've never done a brisket because of the cost. Thought this would be a fun experiment with little cost. Whole packers were $14/lb right next to the corned beefs so I got 4 of them around 4.5lb ea 2 points 2 flats.



My bad, I didn’t see where this was corned beef. Was thinking plain old beef brisket. 14$ a lb??? I thought $4.50/lb was bad. My local has wagyu for $8.23

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#296 Posted:
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Sounds like you should get into beef exporting. Help out your Midwestern brothers
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I can get a 12-15 pounder from Costco or Sam's for around $60-$70. The prime stuff is a bit more, but soooooo damn good.

I cooked a tri-tip like a brisket after a buddy of mine tried it. Holy sh-t it's good! I dare say better than cooked the traditional way (125-130 internal temp).
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#298 Posted:
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danmdevries wrote:
At the dentist getting 5 teeth drilled out.

When it's done I've got 30lbs of meats to put in the smoker. 2 flats and 2 points of desalinated corned beefs rubbed with pastrami spice, and a whole salmon


Dental Day here too. Turns out the second crown appointment is the more painful one. YMMV.

In good news, the other questionable tooth was treated with a simple filling, not needing a second crown. Savings of about $800.

I’ll put the savings into replacements of the shocks on the car and five year old cell phone. When the phone no longer allows you to make or take calls, it is time for change.
MACS Offline
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Brother... I had an iPhone 8 that died when I jumped into Delta1's pool with the stupid phone still in my pocket. d'oh!

Replaced it with an iPhone SE. More storage, better processor, same exact size and look... $350.

Not sure how you feel about apple products. I got sucked into the apple vortex long ago (iphone 3 or 4?). Anyway... cheap alternative and does all the stuff apple phones do. The 11/12/13 will cost you upwards of $700---and on. The SE has an average camera and may be missing a bell here or a whistle there... but for talk/text/most other stuff we do? Great deal.
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MACS wrote:
Brother... I had an iPhone 8 that died when I jumped into Delta1's pool with the stupid phone still in my pocket. d'oh!

Replaced it with an iPhone SE. More storage, better processor, same exact size and look... $350.

Not sure how you feel about apple products. I got sucked into the apple vortex long ago (iphone 3 or 4?). Anyway... cheap alternative and does all the stuff apple phones do. The 11/12/13 will cost you upwards of $700---and on. The SE has an average camera and may be missing a bell here or a whistle there... but for talk/text/most other stuff we do? Great deal.


Only Appled-Up to an iPad. IPhones are out of my price range. Hell, most Android phones are out of my range. Their acceleration of planned depreciation is a turn off to me as well.
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