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MACS Offline
#151 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
groomers is fake news.


Why do they want to teach kids about sexuality so young, then?

Honestly, aside from the biology aspect... there is NO reason to teach kids about sex in school, especially that young. Sex Education for late teens (11th and 12th) okay... anything else? Yeah, nah... parents can handle it.
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#152 Posted:
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It's been a struggle for me because I had a chance to be white and refused.
- RP
BuckyB93 Offline
#153 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
groomers is fake news.


Groomers is not fake news. Fake news is something that is not real... it's fake This is real news. There is an agenda here that they are trying to implement on school children at an early age.

I'd have to agree with MACS on this.

What is the drive to teach and expose kids to sexuality and sex ed at such an early age? This topic should be discussed between parents and the kids when the parents decide that it's appropriate. This is not for the state to decide or the teachers.

When I had sex ed, it was in 6th grade. It was like a half hour or hour thing with a biology video of differences between boy and girl reproductive systems. Boys in one room with male teachers, girls in another with female teachers.

Parents where sent a letter describing what was going to be presented. They had to sign off on approval to allow the kids to go though the class and also given the opportunity to be present in the class room while the sex ed class was going on. If the parents disagreed with school giving the kids expose to sex ed, they checked the box saying to not let my child attend the sex ed class. (I think the kids that didn't attend went to the lunch room for some cartoons and snacks or something).

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#154 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
Why do they want to teach kids about sexuality so young, then?

Honestly, aside from the biology aspect... there is NO reason to teach kids about sex in school, especially that young. Sex Education for late teens (11th and 12th) okay... anything else? Yeah, nah... parents can handle it.


This part I'd have to disagree with. Sex ed should be discussed at and around the time of puberty (just my opinion).

- Your voice is going to be squeaky and eventually get deeper.
- You'll start growing hair in places that hair never grew before.
- There's going to be some hormones that trigger lots of different things, both physically and emotionally.
- This is how babies are made.
- Etc...

But again, it should be at the parent's discretion to determine if they want their kids to be taught this within the school or at home. I'm not saying cancel all Sex Ed in the schools. It should be a topic addressed within the schools at the appropriate time (I would say not before 6th grade) and the parents should have the final veto if they want thier kids to be exposed to or not within the school.

The parents can have "that talk" with their kids and the varying topics of sex ed whenever they deem it appropriate. Maybe earlier, maybe later but it should ultimately be the parents who make the call on when and what not the schools, not the government, not the teachers... THE PARENTS.
RayR Offline
#155 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
I have it on good information that RayR could even hate Liechtenstein and Switzerland. The land of Lindor chocolate and assault rifles in every home.


HOW DARE YOU HD! Have you lowered yourself to building STRAWMEN like Frank and B-G-Z, wherever he may be? Not talking
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#156 Posted:
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frankj1 wrote:
groomers is fake news.



Thanks for showing us what side you chose to take.

THIS is why Disney is losing it's special rights at Reedy Creek...


Disney exposed: Leaked videos show officials pushing LGBT agenda, saying DeSantis wants to 'erase' gay kids



Videos posted on Twitter Tuesday by an investigative journalist appear to show multiple Disney officials pushing a progressive LGBT agenda on employees as the company finds itself in the middle of a political firestorm surrounding the parental rights bill, HB 1557, in Florida.

In videos posted by journalist Christopher F. Rufo, Disney officials can be seen talking to employees at an "all-hands" meeting about the Florida bill, recently signed into law by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, and saying some teams at Disney have implemented an openly "gay agenda."

https://tinyurl.com/yt8xn9eb


In another video, Disney’s Diversity and Inclusion Manager Vivian Ware explains to employees that the company is ditching the words ladies, gentlemen, boys, and girls in its theme parks in order to not alienate transgender children.

https://tinyurl.com/3rhexdv5

In a third video, an LGBT activist accuses Florida’s Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis and his press secretary Christina Pushaw of trying to "erase" LGBT employees at Disney.

https://tinyurl.com/3rhexdv5

One of the videos shows a Disney official explaining that the company is committed to pushing "queer stories" and putting in place procedures to ensure that the company is creating enough "gender-nonconforming characters."


Disney corporate president Karey Burke said in another video that she would like to see at least 50% of Disney’s characters in the future identify as LGBT or a racial minority.

The Walt Disney Company did not immediately respond to a request for comment from Fox Business.

The in-house videos of Disney pushing the progressive agenda come a week after some Disney employees walked off the job last week protesting a perceived lack of company opposition to a Florida bill that prohibits teachers from providing instruction on sexual orientation and gender identity in kindergarten through third grade classrooms.

"TWDC must publicly commit to an actionable plan that protects employees from hateful legislation," the walkout group posted.

The actionable plan, according to the group, should reflect "commitment to the LGBTQIA+ community by stopping construction and investment in the state of Florida until hateful legislation is repealed" as well as "stopping any efforts to move employees to Florida office locations, ensuring employee safety and employment retention. Guaranteeing no employee will be terminated when denying relocation to FL."

Disney CEO Bob Chapek did not take a public position on the bill when it was first being debated in the Florida legislature but then apologized after backlash from the bill’s opponents and promised a pause on political donations in Florida and vowed Disney would contribute millions of dollars more to LGBTQ causes.

On Monday, following the announcement that DeSantis signed the bill, Disney released a statement slamming the move.

"Florida’s HB 1557, also known as the ‘Don’t Say Gay’ bill, should never have passed and should never have been signed into law," the company said in a statement. "Our goal as a company is for this law to be repealed by the legislature or struck down in the courts, and we remain committed to supporting the national and state organizations working to achieve that. We are dedicated to standing up for the rights and safety of LGBTQ+ members of the Disney family, as well as the LGBTQ+ community in Florida and across the country."

The seven-page bill does not ban the word "gay" in school settings and does not ban casual discussions of topics relating to sexual orientation and gender identity in the classroom but has nonetheless been referred to as the "Don’t Say Gay Bill" by numerous media outlets and Democrat politicians.

"For Disney to come out and put a statement and say that the bill should have never passed and that they are going to actively work to repeal it, I think, one, was fundamentally dishonest, but, two, I think that crossed the line," DeSantis said at a Tuesday press conference in response to Disney's statement.

DeSantis added, "This state is governed by the interests of the people of the state of Florida. It is not based on the demands of California corporate executives. They do not run this state. They do not control this state."



They were shown at their worst what they were doing. Then they wanted to jump into the political arena. The Florida House voted 70-38 to strip away the rights they enjoyed for decades. Several states are adopting the very same legislation as Florida following Disney's woke grooming agenda. Notice I didn't even mention Disney cozying up to authoritarian regimes like the CCP to make a buck off of the concentration camp inferred Uyghurs? Yeah, that's Disney too.
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#157 Posted:
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BuckyB93 wrote:
This part I'd have to disagree with. Sex ed should be discussed at and around the time of puberty (just my opinion).

- Your voice is going to be squeaky and eventually get deeper.
- You'll start growing hair in places that hair never grew before.
- There's going to be some hormones that trigger lots of different things, both physically and emotionally.
- This is how babies are made.
- Etc...

But again, it should be at the parent's discretion to determine if they want their kids to be taught this within the school or at home. I'm not saying cancel all Sex Ed in the schools. It should be a topic addressed within the schools at the appropriate time (I would say not before 6th grade) and the parents should have the final veto if they want thier kids to be exposed to or not within the school.

The parents can have "that talk" with their kids and the varying topics of sex ed whenever they deem it appropriate. Maybe earlier, maybe later but it should ultimately be the parents who make the call on when and what not the schools, not the government, not the teachers... THE PARENTS.



Wholeheartedly agree.

This was never about Sex Ed though. That was a red-herring the Left wants everyone to believe that isn't true no matter how many times they utter it! Just like they did with the make-believe "Don't Say Gay". They brought that useless mantra in to defend the indefensible. This is about parental rights for early elementary children K-3rd grade that shouldn't be exposed to transgenderism and how Mr. Mackey, Jr. and his partner spent the weekend paddling down a creek. MMMmmmkay??? A teacher is there to teach children not spread a marginalized fringe agenda that goes against 98.2% of Americans belief systems. Truth be told nobody GAF what they do on their own. Fly your own freak flag. Seriously. School is school though. Nobody asked them nor is it required learning on their personal lives. If they cannot tell the difference, they're in the wrong occupation.
RayR Offline
#158 Posted:
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DMV...I think Frank has been groomed. Think

Faced with all the evidence to the contrary, he believes that "groomers is fake news". Sad
DrMaddVibe Offline
#159 Posted:
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You can show them evidence that is unedited and real and people still choose to make stuff up. That's borderline insanity. Defending it though? That's [email protected] evil.
RayR Offline
#160 Posted:
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“Evil: That which one believes of others. It is a sin to believe evil of others, but it is seldom a mistake” - HL Mencken
DrMaddVibe Offline
#161 Posted:
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I'll stick to this...

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/evil
RayR Offline
#162 Posted:
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Ah..the old dictionary ploy..eh?

"Most of the evil in the world is actually instigated by “good” people, in their frantic effort to compel conformity by all others." - Isabel Paterson
MACS Offline
#163 Posted:
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BuckyB93 wrote:
This part I'd have to disagree with. Sex ed should be discussed at and around the time of puberty (just my opinion).

- Your voice is going to be squeaky and eventually get deeper.
- You'll start growing hair in places that hair never grew before.
- There's going to be some hormones that trigger lots of different things, both physically and emotionally.
- This is how babies are made.
- Etc...

But again, it should be at the parent's discretion to determine if they want their kids to be taught this within the school or at home. I'm not saying cancel all Sex Ed in the schools. It should be a topic addressed within the schools at the appropriate time (I would say not before 6th grade) and the parents should have the final veto if they want thier kids to be exposed to or not within the school.

The parents can have "that talk" with their kids and the varying topics of sex ed whenever they deem it appropriate. Maybe earlier, maybe later but it should ultimately be the parents who make the call on when and what not the schools, not the government, not the teachers... THE PARENTS.


I'll still say HS. So roll it back to 9th grade. I was 13 when I started HS. Kids don't need to be taught, in school, sooner than that, IMO. If they do... let the parents handle it, not the school. And the sex ed should be men/women stuff... not the lgbtq sexuality BS.
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#164 Posted:
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I was taught by a 16 yr old girl named Tonda when I was 14... Mellow
DrMaddVibe Offline
#165 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
I was taught by a 16 yr old girl named Tonda when I was 14... Mellow


Sure it wasn't Lafawnduh?
RayR Offline
#166 Posted:
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I heard Tonda was a sexual predator.
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#167 Posted:
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So I found this in a Forbes article. Orange county will have to pick up 163 million of annual expenses and 1 billion of debt when Disney is no longer a special district. This will cause property taxes in Orange county to increase 20 to 25 percent.

With some additional digging at various sites Disney World provides a significant amount of operating income to Disney.

Disney has became sexual minority friendly. I cannot remember all of the letters or I would have used the acronym.

DeSantis has increased Disney's operating income. They should thank him. He has done it at the horrific expense of Orange county property owners.

So Ray's absolute support of DeSantis and the Florida Republican controlled legislature is interesting. Why does he support big buisness and greater government control of the populous that damages the populous? Way to go Florida state government, you made more money for Disney at the expense of Floridians.

To everyone here who is a property owner in Orange county, I commend you. Your religious/moral/ethical compass is so strong that it overrides all consideration of your financial destruction. Actually I commend everyone who supports this bill, your heart is in the right place. So what if Orange county Florida property owners go bankrupt, your vision is clear and you determination is absolute. Your religion/morality/ethics are well placed.
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#168 Posted:
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Speyside2 wrote:
So I found this in a Forbes article. Orange county will have to pick up 163 million of annual expenses and 1 billion of debt when Disney is no longer a special district. This will cause property taxes in Orange county to increase 20 to 25 percent.

With some additional digging at various sites Disney World provides a significant amount of operating income to Disney.

Disney has became sexual minority friendly. I cannot remember all of the letters or I would have used the acronym.

DeSantis has increased Disney's operating income. They should thank him. He has done it at the horrific expense of Orange county property owners.

So Ray's absolute support of DeSantis and the Florida Republican controlled legislature is interesting. Why does he support big buisness and greater government control of the populous that damages the populous? Way to go Florida state government, you made more money for Disney at the expense of Floridians.

To everyone here who is a property owner in Orange county, I commend you. Your religious/moral/ethical compass is so strong that it overrides all consideration of your financial destruction. Actually I commend everyone who supports this bill, your heart is in the right place. So what if Orange county Florida property owners go bankrupt, your vision is clear and you determination is absolute. Your religion/morality/ethics are well placed.



Don't know how Forbes (share the link) was able to get the actual financial details as those that have been released to the press are purely speculative. On local radio this am there were several economists predicting that the amount that FL residents would be saddled with would be 40.00 a household for 10 years. Once again...they're just guessing.

https://nypost.com/2022/04/28/ron-desantis-fires-back-at-disney-it-will-pay-its-fair-share-of-taxes/

I don't remember anyone saluting Birmingham, AL, Detroit, MI or Stockton, CA for going belly up and they're still here.

https://patriotalerts.com/2022/04/disney-has-lost-34-billion-in-value-since-embarking-on-culture-war-with-florida/

Thanks for playing.
RayR Offline
#169 Posted:
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Here we go again, another Strawman builder. Spey Shame on you

I think you conveniently miss the fact that the WOKE Disney authoritarian executives are apparatchiks of big government progressive regimes.

RayR Offline
#170 Posted:
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Da Judge weighs in...

The Problems With Disney and Florida
By Andrew P. Napolitano

April 28, 2022

Quote:
The core of the problems with Disney and Florida is the American addiction to corporatism. This is the use of government power for the benefit of the government’s patrons. Stated differently, it is a symbiotic relationship between the government and a private business that gives government officials corporate largesse and the private business a near monopoly. It is capturing the power of the state to increase private wealth at the expense of others.

Corporatism is immoral because it bribes the state to give government power to a patron. It is economically counterproductive because it stifles competition. It is unconstitutional because it violates equal protection and, in the Florida dispute with Disney, free speech.

In the 1960s, when Walt Disney came upon 25,000 acres of land outside Orlando, Florida, for his theme park, he crafted a deal with the state that gave his company extraordinary control over the land in return for building the park. For Florida, it was a win in terms of tourism dollars and employment opportunities. For Disney, it was a win in terms of relief from local regulatory constraints and certain state and local taxes.

Last week, after much public dispute between Disney personnel and Florida officials over a new Florida statute prohibiting government schoolteachers from teaching about sexual orientation and gender identity to 5-, 6- and 7-year-olds, Florida enacted legislation abrogating the contract between itself and Disney. It appears that the abrogating legislation was in retaliation for Disney’s public opposition to the school curriculum legislation.

Can the government constitutionally favor one business over others that are similarly situated by granting relief from legal obligations to the one and not to the others? Can the government constitutionally punish a corporation for the exercise of free speech by its officers and employees? The short answer to both questions is: No.

More...

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2022/04/andrew-p-napolitano/the-problems-with-disney-and-florida/
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#171 Posted:
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RayR wrote:
HOW DARE YOU HD! Have you lowered yourself to building STRAWMEN like Frank and B-G-Z, wherever he may be? Not talking


Straw man, wood man, brick man….220, 221 whatever it takes.
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#172 Posted:
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2022/04/22/disney-world-losing-its-special-district-status-could-be-catastrophic-for-local-taxpayers/

There it is HD.
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#173 Posted:
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It is interesting Ray tries to to debase myself by playing at his level. As I said previously I am not carrying on a discussion with him because he is unable or unwilling to do so. Talking about him is different than talking with him, abet he talks with no one. He only espouses his singular point of view.

HD, I missed an additional figure of 106 million of lost tax revenue. I would bet Ray tries to engage me again due to his insecurity and obsessive need to feel superior. I would stop commenting about him, but his implosion to way to much fun.
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#174 Posted:
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My bad. Orange county only votes about 40% red. Wait, if property taxes there increase say 20%, do you think 40% will still vote red. Hmmm, there will also be less older Hispanic voters and more young Hispanic voters in 2024.

Yup, DeSantis is sure to carry Florida if he wins the GOP nod.
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#175 Posted:
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Speyside2 wrote:
So I found this in a Forbes article. Orange county will have to pick up 163 million of annual expenses and 1 billion of debt when Disney is no longer a special district. This will cause property taxes in Orange county to increase 20 to 25


I agree with Rfenst….if my property taxes were going to go up by 20-25% I would absolutely let the teachers turn your kid into a transsexual in kindergarten to head that tax increase off.
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#176 Posted:
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OK guys, my main point is this. I see this as a total lose for the GOP. If the If the Democratic party had half a brain, which they do not, they would run as moderate of a ticket as possible. The moderates on both sides and the independents would determine the outcome. If Biden had went totally moderate with his VP, his SCOTUS member, and his politics the Democrats would have won 2022 also.

My true hope will never happen, the GOP once again becomes the party of moderates. Unfortunatly in my opinion and my opinion only, I speak for no one else on either side we will get farther and farther away from main stream America.

So, so many people have been conned into thinking it is us against them. Our founding fathers created a country and a constitution for Americans. I am an American first, foremost, and always. I vote based on my beliefs of who will be the best candidates for Americans. Special interest groups own both parties so I usually have to choose the less horrible candidate.

Remember to tip your waitress on the way out.
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#177 Posted:
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He or I never said that HD, and you know it, but must play your roll here. I am in total agreement with the grade requirements other than I thin 5th grade is a far better choice. Disney has taken such a definitive stance here I think a national boycott of all things Disney is called for. Play on.
RayR Offline
#178 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
I agree with Rfenst….if my property taxes were going to go up by 20-25% I would absolutely let the teachers turn your kid into a transsexual in kindergarten to head that tax increase off.


LOL LOL LOL That's the fearmongering that Spey has been spreading, if there is no Disney corporatism, the taxpayers will suffer! Another famous corporatist spread the same propaganda...Mussolini. Can't leave these things to the free market I guess.

President NumbNuts let slip another doozy, a wink and a nod to the woke pedagogists who want to turn kids into transsexuals in kindergarten. Yes sir, "They’re not somebody else’s children; they’re like yours when they’re in the classroom.” he said.


Biden to Teachers: Kids Are 'Yours When You're in the Classroom'


By C. Douglas Golden
April 28, 2022

Quote:
On Wednesday, President Joe Biden hosted the National and State Teachers of the Year event at the White House.

His remarks turned political, to the surprise of no one; education and parental freedom in public schooling are hot-button issues right now, and the president said it was high time for this to end.

“American teachers have dedicated their lives to teaching our children and lifting them up. We got to stop making them the target of the culture wars,” Biden said, according to a White House transcript. “That’s where this is going.”

(The Western Journal has documented, however, how it’s the left that’s been stoking the culture wars in the classroom — and conservatives are merely trying to stop their children from being indoctrinated.

More...

https://www.westernjournal.com/biden-teachers-kids-classroom/
HockeyDad Offline
#179 Posted:
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Speyside2 wrote:
So I found this in a Forbes article. Orange county will have to pick up 163 million of annual expenses and 1 billion of debt when Disney is no longer a special district. This will cause property taxes in Orange county to increase 20 to 25 percent.


I think we can all agree that Orange County will become a desolate wasteland and we will all lament the day that the cultural Mecca that it is ceases to exist. Just remember that Le HockeyDad and MACSW are buying. (Albeit at a severe discount to market price due to the impending doom and whatnot.)

With that being said, anyone notice why the narrative is all about all these services and costs transfer to Orange County and the magic revenue vanishes. That’s the whole premise as to why Disney’s corporate welfare (which Democrats hate) must remain.

Now go to Google Maps: Google Lake Buena Vista FL. Now Google Bay Lake FL. Now Google Celebration FL. You’ll notice these three cities. Now look at the boundary of Reedy Creek Improvement District. Notice the almost perfect overlap. When RCID is dissolved the services it provided revert back to the cities, not the county. Remember that whole city, county, state hierarchy thing?

OK so RCID has bonds, or in corporate terms, poison pills. RCID also has assets. Fire, water, sewer, electricity. Sell the assets to pay off the bond. Or transfer the assets and bonds to a new entity like the underlying cities.

Disney is not going to dissolve those cities or Orlando and Kissimmee will race to annex the whole franking thing. Walt and Roy Disney were brilliant to carve out their own county equivalent and cities. They just didn’t bargain on future CEOs betting the company on Tranny Tuesday in kindergarten classes, sponsored by Disney.
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#180 Posted:
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Wait I thought it was hard on taxpayers to have tax breaks go to wealthy corporations?
MACS Offline
#181 Posted:
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It's pretty much all about the benjamins. Always has been, always will be.

This is an interesting take on the whole deal... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfsgiSIIaUc

I find the comments from Floridians to be mostly in support of Desantis and not Disney.
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#182 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
Walt and Roy Disney were brilliant to carve out their own county equivalent and cities. They just didn’t bargain on future CEOs betting the company on Tranny Tuesday in kindergarten classes, sponsored by Disney.

I accept your admission that the whole thing occurred solely from the politics of "Don't Say Gay".
MACS Offline
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And where in the entire bill did it ever say "don't say gay"?

Spoiler: It never did, that was a leftist spin job to make people oppose a bill protecting children from age-inappropriate teaching.

It didn't work, thankfully... people actually read the bill.
rfenst Offline
#184 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
It's pretty much all about the benjamins. Always has been, always will be.

This is an interesting take on the whole deal... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfsgiSIIaUc

I find the comments from Floridians to be mostly in support of Desantis and not Disney.


I am so glad that YouTube's accurate Florida polling, rather than anecdotal videos, is reliable in this matter.

Disney brings like 50 million tourists to Orlando each year before the pandemic.

I found this with a quick Google search:

A 2019 study found Disney dominates the Central Florida tourism industry, according to Oxford Economics, and produced:

- $75.2 billion annual economic impact for Central Florida.
- 463,000 jobs.
-$5.8 billion in additional state tax revenue.

The sales tax collected just on the 58 million Disney World tickets sold in 2018 was $409 million. That’s more than what the state will spend this year on school construction and maintenance or the entire Department of Elder Affairs budget."

Source: Tallahassee Democrat
rfenst Offline
#185 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
And where in the entire bill did it ever say "don't say gay"?

Spoiler: It never did, that was a leftist spin job to make people oppose a bill protecting children from age-inappropriate teaching.

It didn't work, thankfully... people actually read the bill.

The law would have been better if it said "Don't Say Gay" and listed exactly what words and topics could not be discussed in a classroom.

The law is legally vague (poorly drafted) because it does not proscribe what a teacher can and cannot say. It will be struck down. See #200 for another legal opinion on this.

So, a teacher could unknowingly and unintentionally violate the law, lose their job and be sued by parents. That is not a good school environment. Third grade teachers here do not teach heterosexuality or homosexuality, unless a kid brings it up and they have to shut it down without discussion.

You live in a state you hate because of its liberal policies. I live in a state governed by an angry a-hole who is using Floridians as fodder for his presidential campaign.
HockeyDad Offline
#186 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
I accept your admission that the whole thing occurred solely from the politics of "Don't Say Gay".


This run-in wouldn’t have happened if Disney didn’t push so hard to take over Florida politics over sexuality education in K-3.

It’s just the latest run-in with RCID. Orange County took a run at them in the 80s for not paying their fair share. The original RCID was challenged as unconstitutional in the Supreme Court.

RCID, Bay Lake, and Lake Buena Vista have a fascinating history. Walt bought up all that land in bits and pieces under a bunch of different shell companies. Their names still appear on a store window on Main Street in the magic Kingdom. Once people figured it out the price for the land skyrocketed.
HockeyDad Offline
#187 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
I am so glad that YouTube's accurate Florida polling, rather than anecdotal videos, is reliable in this matter.

Disney brings like 50 million tourists to Orlando each year before the pandemic.

I found this with a quick Google search:

A 2019 study found Disney dominates the Central Florida tourism industry, according to Oxford Economics, and produced:

- $75.2 billion annual economic impact for Central Florida.
- 463,000 jobs.
-$5.8 billion in additional state tax revenue.

The sales tax collected just on the 58 million Disney World tickets sold in 2018 was $409 million. That’s more than what the state will spend this year on school construction and maintenance or the entire Department of Elder Affairs budget."

Source: Tallahassee Democrat


You make a great case for why Disney should have never opened their mouth and jumped in on an issue of alternate sexuality training to K-3 grade of all things!
rfenst Offline
#188 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
RCID, Bay Lake, and Lake Buena Vista have a fascinating history. Walt bought up all that land in bits and pieces under a bunch of different shell companies. Their names still appear on a store window on Main Street in the magic Kingdom. Once people figured it out the price for the land skyrocketed.


You are preaching to the choir. My family began moving here around 1950 and were involved in several Disney land acquisitions.

The whole reason for the shell companies was to buy the property at uninflated prices. Nothing wrong with that at all.
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#189 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:


You live in a state you hate because of its liberal policies. I live in a state governed by an angry a-hole who is using Floridians as fodder for his presidential campaign.


We also live in a state governed by an angry a-hole who is using Californians as fodder for his presidential campaign.

You want sexuality training in K-3….come on out here! We send 100s of U-Hauls to Florida each day and pretty much have to pay to drive them back out here empty! They’ll make you a deal!
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#190 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
You are preaching to the choir. My family began moving here around 1950 and were involved in several Disney land acquisitions.

The whole reason for the shell companies was to buy the property at uninflated prices. Nothing wrong with that at all.


Many said they bought the property at undervalued prices using their secrecy scheme and exploited the innocent people. RCID has even used eminent domain.
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#191 Posted:
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You are slow buying HD. I am already setting up a ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ+ community. It will have a Dell Webb feel to it. Community bath houses, community techno music dance clubs, every day there is a gay pride parade, public cabanas, and such. We are still debating plushie clubs, my little pony clubs, and Hillary Clinton Pizza parlors. We did rule out dwarf tossing bars, it seems gay men and postoperative transgender men do not have the physical strength to toss a dwarf. Though it has been suggested that we are being insensitive to a cruel stereotyping by having no dwarf tossing bars. Plus it may be a federal hate crime to eliminate potential employment for dwarfs. The DOJ has informed us that dwarfs are a minority that should be protected so they will enforce a non-existent law. We are in negotiations with the to substitute midget tossing as the on average weigh about 1/2 of what a dwarf does. Of course that means we must employ twice as many midgets.
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#192 Posted:
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I’ve been to Rfenst’s house. It’s nice. I’ll give him $50K for it right now and get him out from under this whole debacle.
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#193 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
Many said they bought the property at undervalued prices using their secrecy scheme and exploited the innocent people. RCID has even used eminent domain.

Yeah, a lot of people who were happy to sell land tend to complain after the fact when they see how it was developed. Seller's remorse, if you will. BFD.

I have no problem with eminent domain as long as fair compensation is paid. Florida courts can, if they have to, require the government entity to pay more and often do. I don't think any of the many voluntary sellers had a shot-gun to their head.

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#194 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
I’ve been to Rfenst’s house. It’s nice. I’ll give him $50K for it right now and get him out from under this whole debacle.

I live in Seminole county and you better multiply your purchase offer 10-15 times.
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#195 Posted:
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Until it's your house or land they want.
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#196 Posted:
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Speyside2 wrote:
You are slow buying HD. I am already setting up a ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ+ community. It will have a Dell Webb feel to it. Community bath houses, community techno music dance clubs, every day there is a gay pride parade, public cabanas, and such. We are still debating plushie clubs, my little pony clubs, and Hillary Clinton Pizza parlors. We did rule out dwarf tossing bars, it seems gay men and postoperative transgender men do not have the physical strength to toss a dwarf. Though it has been suggested that we are being insensitive to a cruel stereotyping by having no dwarf tossing bars. Plus it may be a federal hate crime to eliminate potential employment for dwarfs. The DOJ has informed us that dwarfs are a minority that should be protected so they will enforce a non-existent law. We are in negotiations with the to substitute midget tossing as the on average weigh about 1/2 of what a dwarf does. Of course that means we must employ twice as many midgets.


When you move to San Francisco you see things. Things you can’t unsee. I once saw a man give another man a b low job on a stage at a festival on a public street. Victor808 was standing right beside me when this happened.
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#197 Posted:
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rfenst wrote:
I live in Seminole county and you better multiply your purchase offer 10-15 times.


Well why the hell are you bitching about Orange County residents that could be facing $126k in new property taxes a year per house. Frank Orange County. Ima move to the space coast and I’ll meet up with you at EPCOT and we’ll do it all on Orange County’s dime!
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#198 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
Well why the hell are you bitching about Orange County residents that could be facing $126k in new property taxes a year per house. Frank Orange County. Ima move to the space coast and I’ll meet up with you at EPCOT and we’ll do it all on Orange County’s dime!

I do not want to see our region (state's?) economic engine hampered over unconstitutional politics. The only reason there are 1.8 million people in Central Florida is Disney. And, that benefits all of us, one way or another.
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#199 Posted:
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“Vagueness is deployed for certain purposes. People aren’t vague just because they’re ignorant; they’re not vague because they’re sloppy; they’re not vague because they’re lazy,” Copeland said. “Sometimes they’re intentionally vague to move the site of where the political fight is going to take place.”
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#200 Posted:
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A sold-out house my first night back. Do you have any idea what kinda pressure that is? I could have been at home in my warm bed, playing Nintendo.
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