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Electric vehicles - what does the future hold?
DrMaddVibe Offline
#201 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
So you see this as a political issue.

I see it with engineering eyes. And no - I did not buy an EV to save the planet.
In fact, it was not even a real consideration.




Love the thread though - so many people fighting windmills...


I'm glad you don't believe you're trying to save the planet. Everyone should own a few slaves right? Windmills eh?

Rogan Guest Goes Viral After Exposing "Subhuman" And "Appalling" Cobalt Mining Conditions In Congo



There is one part to the "green" EV revolution that we have written about - but that no one else is talking about: the incessant need for cobalt and the "appalling" way that the battery metal is mined and produced.

After a recent Joe Rogan podcast that went out to the viral host's 40 million plus listeners, we're hopeful that dialogue may finally start to take place.

Siddharth Kara, who is a Harvard visiting professor and also the author of “Cobalt Red: How The Blood of The Congo Powers Our Lives" took to the podcast last week with comments about cobalt mining that already have more than a million listens.

He told Rogan that there's no such thing as "clean cobalt" and that the term was "all marketing," according to a wrap up of the podcast by the NY Post. He noted that the level of suffering of Congolese people working in cobalt mines was "astounding", the report says.

“I’ve never seen [a cobalt mine that did not rely on child labor or slavery] and I’ve been to almost all the major industrial cobalt mines," he told Rogan. 

Yet, modern demand for cobalt doesn't look like it's going to slow down any time soon. “Cobalt is in every single lithium, rechargeable battery manufactured in the world today," Kara said to Rogan. 

“Every smartphone, every tablet, every laptop and crucially, every electric vehicle” needs it, he noted. “We can’t function on a day-to-day basis without cobalt, and three-fourths of the supply is coming out of the Congo. And it’s being mined in appalling, heart-wrenching, dangerous conditions.” 

“By and large the world doesn’t know what’s happening," he continued. “...it just so happened that the Congo is sitting on more cobalt than the rest of the planet combined."

“Before anyone knew what was happening, [the] Chinese government [and] Chinese mining companies took control of almost all the big mines and the local population has been displaced,” he told Rogan. 

“They dig in absolutely subhuman, gut-wrenching conditions for a dollar a day, feeding cobalt up the supply chain into all the phones, all the tablets, and especially electric cars.” 


Meanwhile the report notes that the Biden administration recently "entered into an agreement with the Democratic Republic of the Congo and Zambia" to help bolster the supply of such materials, despite these issues. 

You can listen to the full comments here:

https://youtu.be/CIWvk3gJ_7E


https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/rogan-guest-goes-viral-after-exposing-subhuman-and-appalling-cobalt-mining-conditions-congo



Don't forget to read the comments on the YouTube video.

Here's another vid

https://youtu.be/_V3bIzNX4co

"With climate change hitting harder every year, businesses, governments, and individuals are increasingly embracing electric vehicles and wind, solar, and other renewable energy sources. While that’s great for the atmosphere, it’s hell on the Earth. “Green” power has an Achilles heel: It requires staggering amounts of natural resources. Manufacturing solar panels, wind turbines, and electric cars involves a kaleidoscopic array of materials, from copper and tin to exotic elements like neodymium. To meet the surging demand for all that “green” hardware, we’ll need to mine an additional 10 million tons of copper every year. We’ll need to dig up 20 times more cobalt and lithium than we do today. Gouging out those metals is creating its own set of human and environmental catastrophes, from children risking their lives in Congolese cobalt quarries to toxin-spewing rare earth mines in China."

https://pulitzercenter.org/projects/real-costs-green-energy

Seems there's no "win" with Green like we're being told. Sounds great, but that 20 cents to the dollar claim? We can put that to bed. It's a lie in the long term.
ZRX1200 Offline
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Remember when virtue signaling for profit, stated goals are all that matter.

Well that, tyrannical control and profits.
HockeyDad Offline
#203 Posted:
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That cobalt ain’t gonna dig itself! Someone’s kids gotta do it.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#204 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
That cobalt ain’t gonna dig itself! Someone’s kids gotta do it.



Wait...kids.

Kids will get paid 20 cent to the dollar!

Lefty gets to feel good again as their Tesla makes farting noises.
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NYC Electric Garbage Truck Plans Hit Wall After Trucks "Conked Out" Plowing Snow After Just Four Hours



In a move that absolutely nobody could have seen coming, New York City is scrapping its brilliant idea for electric garbage trucks after finding out the truck simply "aren't powerful enough to plow snow".

The pipe dream of converting the city's 6,000 garbage trucks from gas to electric in order to try and limit carbon emissions (because there's no other problems that need to be dealt with in New York City right now) is "clashing with the limits of electric-powered vehicles," Gothamist wrote this week.

The city's current trucks run on diesel and can be fitted with plows in the winter. 

Despite the shortcomings, the city Department of Sanitation' has already ordered seven electric rear loader garbage trucks, custom-made by Mack, the report says. Those trucks cost an astonishing $523,000 each and are to be delivered this spring. 

Sanitation Commissioner Jessica Tisch told the NYC city council earlier this month: “We found that they could not plow the snow effectively – they basically conked out after four hours. We need them to go 12 hours. Given the current state of the technology, I don't see today a path forward to fully electrifying the rear loader portion of the fleet by 2040."

“We can't really make significant progress in converting our rear loader fleet until the snow challenges are addressed,” she continued.

Many other cities don't use their garbage trucks to plow snow, the report notes. Places that get a lot of snow, like Denver, have their own committed light duty trucks outfitted with plows, which operate more efficiently. 

New York City, however, has committed to plowing each street and doing so by putting the city's 2,100 trucks to work to clear the "equivalent of 19,000 miles of street lanes". 

In addition to...well, not being able to get the job done, charging has also been a holdup with electric trucks, Tisch said: “..this charging infrastructure requires additional space and often new electrical utility connections that can require substantial capital investments."

Harry Nespoli, the president of Teamsters Local 831 union representing sanitation workers also isn't sold on the idea: “How much power do they have? Can they run 12-hour shifts without a charge? I don't know.”

Sanitation spokesperson Vincent Gragnani concluded: “​​With current technology, full electrification isn’t possible now for some parts of our fleet, but we are monitoring closely and really hope it will be.”

Let us know how that turns out, Vinny.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/nyc-electric-garbage-truck-plans-hit-wall-after-trucks-conked-out-plowing-snow-after-just


Huh...it's like they just forgot to think and even research the matter. Just went all in on a technology that isn't even close to being ready for the sake of what? Lord knows it's not to save the environment! I wonder if it's just to line the pockets of China...our piggybank...with more money.

You can almost hear Cali cancelling their bad idea in cancelling internal combustion engines real soon.
Brewha Offline
#206 Posted:
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Critical update on the tech here:

This weekend I tricked all the kids, in different groups, to bend down low and look at the head lights while I made the car fart loudly from my phone.




I love technology….
HockeyDad Offline
#207 Posted:
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At least you didn’t “roll coal”!
ZRX1200 Offline
#208 Posted:
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So is this the new cool things for Fudds instead of saying “pull my finger”??
Sunoverbeach Offline
#209 Posted:
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I can do the same thing for thousands less and only minimal damage to the ozone layer. Pennies on the dollar, I'm telling ya
MACS Offline
#210 Posted:
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Not gonna lie... having an absolute blast riding the electric bike.
HockeyDad Offline
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MACS wrote:
Not gonna lie... having an absolute blast riding the electric bike.


I would prefer a Tesla over a horse drawn carriage.
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Anyone see this story yet?


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11598475/PICTURED-Doctor-intentionally-drove-family-cliff-Tesla.html


All passengers survived the crash off a cliff!

Pretty sure the EMS and Fire Department were amused with the fart sounds though.
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#213 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
Not gonna lie... having an absolute blast riding the electric bike.


Am certainly intrigued by them. Still holding off for now.
Maybe some of the issues causing me pause will be better addressed in the coming months/year or two.



8trackdisco Offline
#214 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Anyone see this story yet?


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11598475/PICTURED-Doctor-intentionally-drove-family-cliff-Tesla.html


All passengers survived the crash off a cliff!

Pretty sure the EMS and Fire Department were amused with the fart sounds though.


Just saw the story on News Nation. 250 foot fall off of a cliff and they all survive? Those facts will find themselves into a Tesla commercial soon.
BuckyB93 Offline
#215 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
Not gonna lie... having an absolute blast riding the electric bike.


I'm a big fan of mine too. I actually have two of them now. Bought my son his first car a few months back and now he has no use for his the e-bike that I bought him last year.
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#216 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
I'm glad you don't believe you're trying to save the planet. Everyone should own a few slaves right? Windmills eh?

Rogan Guest Goes Viral After Exposing "Subhuman" And "Appalling" Cobalt Mining Conditions In Congo



There is one part to the "green" EV revolution that we have written about - but that no one else is talking about: the incessant need for cobalt and the "appalling" way that the battery metal is mined and produced.

After a recent Joe Rogan podcast that went out to the viral host's 40 million plus listeners, we're hopeful that dialogue may finally start to take place.

Siddharth Kara, who is a Harvard visiting professor and also the author of “Cobalt Red: How The Blood of The Congo Powers Our Lives" took to the podcast last week with comments about cobalt mining that already have more than a million listens.

He told Rogan that there's no such thing as "clean cobalt" and that the term was "all marketing," according to a wrap up of the podcast by the NY Post. He noted that the level of suffering of Congolese people working in cobalt mines was "astounding", the report says.

“I’ve never seen [a cobalt mine that did not rely on child labor or slavery] and I’ve been to almost all the major industrial cobalt mines," he told Rogan. 

Yet, modern demand for cobalt doesn't look like it's going to slow down any time soon. “Cobalt is in every single lithium, rechargeable battery manufactured in the world today," Kara said to Rogan. 

“Every smartphone, every tablet, every laptop and crucially, every electric vehicle” needs it, he noted. “We can’t function on a day-to-day basis without cobalt, and three-fourths of the supply is coming out of the Congo. And it’s being mined in appalling, heart-wrenching, dangerous conditions.” 

“By and large the world doesn’t know what’s happening," he continued. “...it just so happened that the Congo is sitting on more cobalt than the rest of the planet combined."

“Before anyone knew what was happening, [the] Chinese government [and] Chinese mining companies took control of almost all the big mines and the local population has been displaced,” he told Rogan. 

“They dig in absolutely subhuman, gut-wrenching conditions for a dollar a day, feeding cobalt up the supply chain into all the phones, all the tablets, and especially electric cars.” 


Meanwhile the report notes that the Biden administration recently "entered into an agreement with the Democratic Republic of the Congo and Zambia" to help bolster the supply of such materials, despite these issues. 

You can listen to the full comments here:

https://youtu.be/CIWvk3gJ_7E


https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/rogan-guest-goes-viral-after-exposing-subhuman-and-appalling-cobalt-mining-conditions-congo



Don't forget to read the comments on the YouTube video.

Here's another vid

https://youtu.be/_V3bIzNX4co

"With climate change hitting harder every year, businesses, governments, and individuals are increasingly embracing electric vehicles and wind, solar, and other renewable energy sources. While that’s great for the atmosphere, it’s hell on the Earth. “Green” power has an Achilles heel: It requires staggering amounts of natural resources. Manufacturing solar panels, wind turbines, and electric cars involves a kaleidoscopic array of materials, from copper and tin to exotic elements like neodymium. To meet the surging demand for all that “green” hardware, we’ll need to mine an additional 10 million tons of copper every year. We’ll need to dig up 20 times more cobalt and lithium than we do today. Gouging out those metals is creating its own set of human and environmental catastrophes, from children risking their lives in Congolese cobalt quarries to toxin-spewing rare earth mines in China."

https://pulitzercenter.org/projects/real-costs-green-energy

Seems there's no "win" with Green like we're being told. Sounds great, but that 20 cents to the dollar claim? We can put that to bed. It's a lie in the long term.


Thanks for the head's up on the Rogan podcast. Have fallen away from the show recently as it is becoming the same old same old. An MMA guy, a dozen of his favorite comedians, some outdoors people.
Ram27 Offline
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The IDIOT that drove off the cliff has-been charged with ATTEMPTED MURDER WAS TRYING TO KILL HIMSELF AND FAMILY. Brick wall
Brewha Offline
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Ram27 wrote:
The IDIOT that drove off the cliff has-been charged with ATTEMPTED MURDER WAS TRYING TO KILL HIMSELF AND FAMILY. Brick wall

And attempted it in the safest US made car there is.
Not so smart….
Brewha Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
I would prefer a Tesla over a horse drawn carriage.

What’s your horses name?
ZRX1200 Offline
#220 Posted:
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Can we get in early on a class action suit for all the safety problems in the cobalt mines?

Have you or a loved one ever mined for cobalt at Camp Lejeune….
Please call (214) 914-3337 immediately and ask for Dave.
HockeyDad Offline
#221 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
What’s your horses name?


Sarah Jessica Parker.
Brewha Offline
#222 Posted:
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good name….
HockeyDad Offline
#223 Posted:
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Now that I’m here in Texas I need to get a horse and a cowboy hat.
MACS Offline
#224 Posted:
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^Horses eat a lot more than dogs do, just so ya know.
ZRX1200 Offline
#225 Posted:
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They don’t bark as much.
8trackdisco Offline
#226 Posted:
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Saw a foldable E-Bike at Costco. $700 or $800.
Small frame, seat maybe 30 inches. Top speed 15.5 mph.

Nice way to dip the toes or a waste of money for an underpowered offering?
8trackdisco Offline
#227 Posted:
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
I'm glad you don't believe you're trying to save the planet. Everyone should own a few slaves right? Windmills eh?

Rogan Guest Goes Viral After Exposing "Subhuman" And "Appalling" Cobalt Mining Conditions In Congo



There is one part to the "green" EV revolution that we have written about - but that no one else is talking about: the incessant need for cobalt and the "appalling" way that the battery metal is mined and produced.

After a recent Joe Rogan podcast that went out to the viral host's 40 million plus listeners, we're hopeful that dialogue may finally start to take place.

Siddharth Kara, who is a Harvard visiting professor and also the author of “Cobalt Red: How The Blood of The Congo Powers Our Lives" took to the podcast last week with comments about cobalt mining that already have more than a million listens.

He told Rogan that there's no such thing as "clean cobalt" and that the term was "all marketing," according to a wrap up of the podcast by the NY Post. He noted that the level of suffering of Congolese people working in cobalt mines was "astounding", the report says.

“I’ve never seen [a cobalt mine that did not rely on child labor or slavery] and I’ve been to almost all the major industrial cobalt mines," he told Rogan. 

Yet, modern demand for cobalt doesn't look like it's going to slow down any time soon. “Cobalt is in every single lithium, rechargeable battery manufactured in the world today," Kara said to Rogan. 

“Every smartphone, every tablet, every laptop and crucially, every electric vehicle” needs it, he noted. “We can’t function on a day-to-day basis without cobalt, and three-fourths of the supply is coming out of the Congo. And it’s being mined in appalling, heart-wrenching, dangerous conditions.” 

“By and large the world doesn’t know what’s happening," he continued. “...it just so happened that the Congo is sitting on more cobalt than the rest of the planet combined."

“Before anyone knew what was happening, [the] Chinese government [and] Chinese mining companies took control of almost all the big mines and the local population has been displaced,” he told Rogan. 

“They dig in absolutely subhuman, gut-wrenching conditions for a dollar a day, feeding cobalt up the supply chain into all the phones, all the tablets, and especially electric cars.” 


Meanwhile the report notes that the Biden administration recently "entered into an agreement with the Democratic Republic of the Congo and Zambia" to help bolster the supply of such materials, despite these issues. 

You can listen to the full comments here:

https://youtu.be/CIWvk3gJ_7E


https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/rogan-guest-goes-viral-after-exposing-subhuman-and-appalling-cobalt-mining-conditions-congo



Don't forget to read the comments on the YouTube video.

Here's another vid

https://youtu.be/_V3bIzNX4co

"With climate change hitting harder every year, businesses, governments, and individuals are increasingly embracing electric vehicles and wind, solar, and other renewable energy sources. While that’s great for the atmosphere, it’s hell on the Earth. “Green” power has an Achilles heel: It requires staggering amounts of natural resources. Manufacturing solar panels, wind turbines, and electric cars involves a kaleidoscopic array of materials, from copper and tin to exotic elements like neodymium. To meet the surging demand for all that “green” hardware, we’ll need to mine an additional 10 million tons of copper every year. We’ll need to dig up 20 times more cobalt and lithium than we do today. Gouging out those metals is creating its own set of human and environmental catastrophes, from children risking their lives in Congolese cobalt quarries to toxin-spewing rare earth mines in China."

https://pulitzercenter.org/projects/real-costs-green-energy

Seems there's no "win" with Green like we're being told. Sounds great, but that 20 cents to the dollar claim? We can put that to bed. It's a lie in the long term.


THAT..... (The Rogan podcast) was Stark & Bleak.
Won't see that story getting traction in the MSM. As horrible as those mines are, one of the biggest atrocities since the 1940s, 98.2% of people have smartphones and electric cars are "the answer", the are going to keep on digging.

HockeyDad Offline
#228 Posted:
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Shovel ready jobs!
8trackdisco Offline
#229 Posted:
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HockeyDad wrote:
Shovel ready jobs!


Lots of those people didn't have shovels. Some of the 14 year old girls had children on their backs.
Guess it is never too young to teach work ethic.
HockeyDad Offline
#230 Posted:
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We are in an existential climate change crisis. Them 14 years olds need to do their part. Enough hard work and they can earn a shovel.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#231 Posted:
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Is this what we should be doing to save the planet?

https://www.euronews.com/green/2022/02/01/south-america-s-lithium-fields-reveal-the-dark-side-of-our-electric-future



It's all a sham.
HockeyDad Offline
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Just think of the billions to be made in cobalt and lithium mine rehabilitation. Think UN meets superfund money!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#233 Posted:
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Their last great idea was to make fart noises with Teslas. So, there's that.
HockeyDad Offline
#234 Posted:
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Imagine 30 year olds with shovels filling in the cobalt and lithium mines. Stay with me here…..

When they were 12 years old they were the ones who dug the mines….

And their shovels make fart noises!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#235 Posted:
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How lifting.
HockeyDad Offline
#236 Posted:
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I should take the idea to “Shark Tank”.
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#237 Posted:
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Toyota is betting big on hydrogen. The pollution is incredibly small. If they are right, Tesla go bye bye. I hope they are right.
Sunoverbeach Offline
#238 Posted:
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I'd like to see that work, but currently the infrastructure is even worse than electric
deadeyedick Offline
#239 Posted:
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Saw pics recently of a proposed E-Corvette. Now they are just going too far.Not talking
DrMaddVibe Offline
#240 Posted:
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deadeyedick wrote:
Saw pics recently of a proposed E-Corvette. Now they are just going too far.Not talking


They really screwed the Mustang...so Chevy had to top them.
Sunoverbeach Offline
#241 Posted:
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If you're lucky, they won't turn it into an SUV
DrMaddVibe Offline
#242 Posted:
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Speyside2 wrote:
Toyota is betting big on hydrogen. The pollution is incredibly small. If they are right, Tesla go bye bye. I hope they are right.



Toyota is the only auto manufacturer playing this whole hysteria correctly. Most of the idiots running some legacy companies now have gone full retard and leapt at the government cheese to cut off their body to offer up their arms. Sheer lunacy. Toyota is patiently sitting back and watching. Don't think they don't know and understand the EV platform, they do. They fully get it and they're in the business to make money. They're not full bent with the woke/green crowd. Those types are going to get washed away. I'm not saying the technology for EV isn't there. It is. IF you want to destroy the planet for the sake of substituting petroleum for lithium and cobalt. Hydrogen could be a game changer. It's still considered way too dangerous and remember we're talking about automobiles being driven by humans. Find a way to perfect that and all the idiots lining up for battery replacements or better yet...newer cheaper EV's because they lowered their prices...because...well...they had to keep up with the Kardashians and stick trendy in their garage. They'll tell you they're not doing it for saving the planet. They'll tell you all the virtues of their recent purchase and have for years with the hybrid models...they've either moved on from them or out of them why?

Of all the companies out there I kinda expected Honda to act the way Toyota is now. Toyota is positioning them and their profit margins for long term success.
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Wyoming Lawmakers Propose Bill to Phase Out EVs by 2035



A group of six Republican lawmakers in Wyoming are proposing to phase out the sale of new electric vehicles in the state by 2035 to protect its oil and gas industries and preserve critical resources.

In their bill, introduced to the state legislature on Friday, the Republicans said that oil and gas production has “long been one of Wyoming’s proud and valued industries,” which has created countless jobs and contributed to state revenue. They also highlighted the important role gas-powered vehicles have been playing in Wyoming’s trade and transportation.

“The proliferation of electric vehicles at the expense of gas-powered vehicles will have deleterious impacts on Wyoming’s communities and will be detrimental to Wyoming’s economy and the ability for the country to efficiently engage in commerce,” the bill reads.

The lawmakers also expressed concerns that Wyoming’s infrastructure won’t be able to support the widespread use of electric vehicles. Specifically, they said, it’s simply impracticable to install all the charging stations needed across the state’s long-stretching highway system.

“The batteries used in electric vehicles contain critical minerals whose domestic supply is limited and at risk for disruption,” they added. “The critical minerals used in electric batteries are not easily recyclable or disposable, meaning that municipal landfills in Wyoming and elsewhere will be required to develop practices to dispose of these minerals in a safe and responsible manner.”

The proposal didn’t get enough support to advance out of the Wyoming’s Senate Minerals, Business and Economic Development Committee.

Electric vehicles use lithium for batteries, and neodymium, praseodymium, dysprosium, and terbium for drivetrain systems. These minerals are also needed to produce America’s next-generation military weapons such as F-35 fighter jets and precision-guided missiles.

Most of the world’s supply of processed rare earth minerals is currently coming out of China.

Phasing out EVs in Wyoming “will help preserve the country’s critical minerals for vital purposes,” the bill says.

The proposal is a response to President Joe Biden’s goal of ensuring that half of all new cars sold in the United States are electric by 2030.

“A future of the automobile industry, that is electric,” Biden said in 2021 during a White House event announcing a target. “It’s electric, and there’s no turning back. The question is whether it will lead or fall behind in the race for the future.”

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‘Silent Majority’ Doubtful About Electric Cars Being the Only Option: Toyota Chief


To meet the president’s goal, the United States needs at least 10 times the supply of rare earth minerals it is getting now, according to Pini Althaus, the CEO of USA Rare Earth, a Florida-based company that owns one of the largest deposits of heavy rare-earth elements in Texas.

“We probably need about 20 to 25 times more than we have now between now and 2050,” he said in 2021 on the TechFirst podcast.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/wyoming-lawmakers-propose-bill-to-phase-out-evs-by-2035_4989515.html?


I left the link in there...cuz.

“We understand the desire to move towards more environmentally friendly sales of vehicles; however, the consumer demand is not there yet, or even 12 years from now, in 2035,” Greg Remensperger, executive vice president of the Oregon Auto Dealers Association, told The Epoch Times.

“We just don’t think the industry is going to be at a point where it will serve as 100 percent of the consumer demands.”


I think Wyoming took the EV to the train station.
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#244 Posted:
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So here is the big Kahuna question. I have never found even a somewhat accurate attempt to answer this. How much pollution does driving an electric car create. Let's start with the electricity consumed. Then let's add in the Lithium and Cobalt hell hole. Then just for kicks lets add in what to do with dead batteries. Less polution, I need numbers to convince me of that. There are not any.
Sunoverbeach Offline
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There are. They just seem unusually difficult to locate in a nice succinct table
BuckyB93 Offline
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Speyside2 wrote:
So here is the big Kahuna question. I have never found even a somewhat accurate attempt to answer this. How much pollution does driving an electric car create. Let's start with the electricity consumed. Then let's add in the Lithium and Cobalt hell hole. Then just for kicks lets add in what to do with dead batteries. Less polution, I need numbers to convince me of that. There are not any.


I posed this in the original post to start the conversation here.

Snippet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XV9ijKAubfU

Full Version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sa5JkeerRo

I'm not anti electric vehicles but force feeding a full electric vehicle policy without addressing the (many) other elephants in the room and the bigger picture is a stupid way to go about it.
rockmiesterr Offline
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Hemp.....is what Ford used in his first caa...

What's wrong with that.......

BuckyB93 Offline
#248 Posted:
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rockmiesterr wrote:
Hemp.....is what Ford used in his first caa...

What's wrong with that.......



I thought hemp is the world's premiere food source. I read it here so it must be true.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#249 Posted:
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If only there was a way to put the words "How much pollution does driving an electric car create" into something to search and find them.
Speyside2 Offline
#250 Posted:
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That is worthless. Did the electric come from coal, natural gas, hydro, or nuclear? How many more generation plants will need to be built to meet demand? What polution does building those plants create? Those are the starting point questions. As far as information out there I find articles that are oppinions, because the data set needed does not exist.
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