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DrMaddVibe Offline
#251 Posted: Fri, Jan 20 2023, 7:14 AM EST
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Speyside2 wrote:
That is worthless. Did the electric come from coal, natural gas, hydro, or nuclear? How many more generation plants will need to be built to meet demand? What polution does building those plants create? Those are the starting point questions. As far as information out there I find articles that are oppinions, because the data set needed does not exist.



Wouldn't that depend on where you live, your driving habits and another whole host of things not even remotely discussed because we HAVE to kill petroleum off and we HAVE to have EV's?

I point to Europe as they're shuttering nuclear power plants down and going to "totally green" methods. That's insanity.

Maybe TW has the data you're looking for sitting right next to the Covid19 data everyone here was looking for. Said he had it.
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#252 Posted: Fri, Jan 20 2023, 7:38 AM EST
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Man plugs in electric truck, learns it will take a week to charge



A man plugged in his electric vehicle at home and learned that recharging it would not be a timely venture.

YouTuber TFLEV shared that on Sunday, while at home, he plugged in his brand-new electric Hummer truck, which has a 250kwh battery, only to find that it would take several days for him to get a complete charge.

“Time to complete charge, Friday at 8:30 a.m.,” the YouTuber said. “And range increase is 1 mph.”

https://youtu.be/bqls8xq9vSY

“That’s what happens when you try to charge the largest battery truck using a 120 outlet,” he added.

The YouTuber suggested using a Level Two outfitted EV charger or a public fast charger.

Coltura, a nonprofit organization supporting the use of EVs, suggested Level Two chargers can cost “from $500 to $2,000 before installation” and require 250V circuitry.

The current colder temperatures affecting much of the United States have also been noted as having an impact on charging rates.

A brother and sister duo rented a Tesla in December to find that the battery drained faster than it would charge.

Another electric truck user recently ran into range troubles when trying to tow 10,000 pounds with the Rivian R1T in 34-degree weather.

Earlier this month, Tesla was fined for not disclosing that the electric vehicle has a shorter driving range in colder temperatures.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/electric-truck-will-take-a-week-to-charge

He was already at 49% battery capacity. Sunday to Friday???? Not everyone can simply upgrade to 220 at their house...so there's that...Anyone seeing that this isn't going to be feasible by 2030 yet?
clintCigar Offline
#253 Posted: Fri, Jan 20 2023, 1:58 PM EST
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I won't be selling my diesel truck anytime soon.
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#254 Posted: Fri, Jan 20 2023, 2:28 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Wyoming Lawmakers Propose Bill to Phase Out EVs by 2035



A group of six Republican lawmakers in Wyoming are proposing to phase out the sale of new electric vehicles in the state by 2035 to protect its oil and gas industries and preserve critical resources.

In their bill, introduced to the state legislature on Friday, the Republicans said that oil and gas production has “long been one of Wyoming’s proud and valued industries,” which has created countless jobs and contributed to state revenue. They also highlighted the important role gas-powered vehicles have been playing in Wyoming’s trade and transportation.

“The proliferation of electric vehicles at the expense of gas-powered vehicles will have deleterious impacts on Wyoming’s communities and will be detrimental to Wyoming’s economy and the ability for the country to efficiently engage in commerce,” the bill reads.

The lawmakers also expressed concerns that Wyoming’s infrastructure won’t be able to support the widespread use of electric vehicles. Specifically, they said, it’s simply impracticable to install all the charging stations needed across the state’s long-stretching highway system.

“The batteries used in electric vehicles contain critical minerals whose domestic supply is limited and at risk for disruption,” they added. “The critical minerals used in electric batteries are not easily recyclable or disposable, meaning that municipal landfills in Wyoming and elsewhere will be required to develop practices to dispose of these minerals in a safe and responsible manner.”

The proposal didn’t get enough support to advance out of the Wyoming’s Senate Minerals, Business and Economic Development Committee.

Electric vehicles use lithium for batteries, and neodymium, praseodymium, dysprosium, and terbium for drivetrain systems. These minerals are also needed to produce America’s next-generation military weapons such as F-35 fighter jets and precision-guided missiles.

Most of the world’s supply of processed rare earth minerals is currently coming out of China.

Phasing out EVs in Wyoming “will help preserve the country’s critical minerals for vital purposes,” the bill says.

The proposal is a response to President Joe Biden’s goal of ensuring that half of all new cars sold in the United States are electric by 2030.

“A future of the automobile industry, that is electric,” Biden said in 2021 during a White House event announcing a target. “It’s electric, and there’s no turning back. The question is whether it will lead or fall behind in the race for the future.”

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To meet the president’s goal, the United States needs at least 10 times the supply of rare earth minerals it is getting now, according to Pini Althaus, the CEO of USA Rare Earth, a Florida-based company that owns one of the largest deposits of heavy rare-earth elements in Texas.

“We probably need about 20 to 25 times more than we have now between now and 2050,” he said in 2021 on the TechFirst podcast.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/wyoming-lawmakers-propose-bill-to-phase-out-evs-by-2035_4989515.html?

I left the link in there...cuz.

“We understand the desire to move towards more environmentally friendly sales of vehicles; however, the consumer demand is not there yet, or even 12 years from now, in 2035,” Greg Remensperger, executive vice president of the Oregon Auto Dealers Association, told The Epoch Times.

“We just don’t think the industry is going to be at a point where it will serve as 100 percent of the consumer demands.”

I think Wyoming took the EV to the train station.



GO WYO
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#255 Posted: Sat, Jan 21 2023, 10:47 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Their last great idea was to make fart noises with Teslas. So, there's that.

UPDATE; their last great move was to drop the price of their cars an average of 17%.

Many models will now get the $7,500 tax credit off of the sticker price.
Brewha Offline
#256 Posted: Sat, Jan 21 2023, 10:51 AM EST
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deadeyedick wrote:
Saw pics recently of a proposed E-Corvette. Now they are just going too far.Not talking

GM is rolling it out. It’s still a V8 Vett, but they added an electric motor in the nose to get 0-60 in 2.5 seconds.

If the Vett is going to stay worked class, it will have to be electrified….
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#257 Posted: Sat, Jan 21 2023, 11:00 AM EST
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Speyside2 wrote:
So here is the big Kahuna question. I have never found even a somewhat accurate attempt to answer this. How much pollution does driving an electric car create. Let's start with the electricity consumed. Then let's add in the Lithium and Cobalt hell hole. Then just for kicks lets add in what to do with dead batteries. Less polution, I need numbers to convince me of that. There are not any.

So, you care about pollution?

There is a lot of data out there about how much clearer EV’s are than ICE. Just have a look.

With governments and every major car manufacturer shifting to EV’s, it seem obvious that EVs’ are “better”.
You think GM is investing in this because they are altruistic? No Sir, it’s about them making money.
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#258 Posted: Sat, Jan 21 2023, 11:10 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Man plugs in electric truck, learns it will take a week to charge



A man plugged in his electric vehicle at home and learned that recharging it would not be a timely venture.

YouTuber TFLEV shared that on Sunday, while at home, he plugged in his brand-new electric Hummer truck, which has a 250kwh battery, only to find that it would take several days for him to get a complete charge.

“Time to complete charge, Friday at 8:30 a.m.,” the YouTuber said. “And range increase is 1 mph.”

https://youtu.be/bqls8xq9vSY

“That’s what happens when you try to charge the largest battery truck using a 120 outlet,” he added.

The YouTuber suggested using a Level Two outfitted EV charger or a public fast charger.

Coltura, a nonprofit organization supporting the use of EVs, suggested Level Two chargers can cost “from $500 to $2,000 before installation” and require 250V circuitry.

The current colder temperatures affecting much of the United States have also been noted as having an impact on charging rates.

A brother and sister duo rented a Tesla in December to find that the battery drained faster than it would charge.

Another electric truck user recently ran into range troubles when trying to tow 10,000 pounds with the Rivian R1T in 34-degree weather.

Earlier this month, Tesla was fined for not disclosing that the electric vehicle has a shorter driving range in colder temperatures.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/electric-truck-will-take-a-week-to-charge

He was already at 49% battery capacity. Sunday to Friday???? Not everyone can simply upgrade to 220 at their house...so there's that...Anyone seeing that this isn't going to be feasible by 2030 yet?


I think this really demonstrates that some people simply don’t have the gray matter to own an EV (or perhaps a car at all).

A “Level 2 Charger” can use the same wall plug as a cloths dryer - which is how I charge mine. So between midnight and 6 AM I get a “full tank”.
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#259 Posted: Sat, Jan 21 2023, 11:21 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
I think this really demonstrates that some people simply don’t have the gray matter to own an EV (or perhaps a car at all).

A “Level 2 Charger” can use the same wall plug as a cloths dryer - which is how I charge mine. So between midnight and 6 AM I get a “full tank”.


Are there any issues of leaving them plugged in for too long (overcharging)?
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#260 Posted: Sat, Jan 21 2023, 11:26 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
So, you care about pollution?

There is a lot of data out there about how much clearer EV’s are than ICE. Just have a look.


Are you willing to provide sources to support your broad based claim? (I'm guessing not as you have not even attempted to provide them). The truth is that they are not more Earth friendly than ICE if you look at the lifecycle of producing, using, and end of life for an EV vs an ICE. EV's lose in the big picture in so many ways. Sources for that have been provided within this thread but you refuse to look at them or address them, which is typical head in the sand behavior.

Brewha wrote:
With governments and every major car manufacturer shifting to EV’s, it seem obvious that EVs’ are “better”.
You think GM is investing in this because they are altruistic? No Sir, it’s about them making money.


Of course they are in the business of making money. That's the way things work. The money for EV manufacturing is to tap into the government subsidies and mandates. We've seen this in solar and wind "green energy" for decades but neither of them have produced any substantial return on investment without the subsidies provided by the government.

I'm not anti EV or solar or wind power. There is a time, place, and niche areas where they make sense. They are not the solution for a vast majority of the world. Sorry Charlie, try again.
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#261 Posted: Sat, Jan 21 2023, 11:36 AM EST
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8trackdisco wrote:
Are there any issues of leaving them plugged in for too long (overcharging)?

No. In fact they recommend that you leave the car plugged in all them time.

I only plug in once or twice a week, but when I do I don’t unplug until I go some where.
And the car is too smart to let you drive off when plugged in…
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#262 Posted: Sat, Jan 21 2023, 11:38 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
No. In fact they recommend that you leave the car plugged in all them time.

I only plug in once or twice a week, but when I do I don’t unplug until I go some where.
And the car is too smart to let you drive off when plugged in…


If it is plugged in all week, what does your energy bill look like, compared to only fully charing it and letting it sit until you need it?
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#263 Posted: Sat, Jan 21 2023, 11:44 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
No. In fact they recommend that you leave the car plugged in all them time.

I only plug in once or twice a week, but when I do I don’t unplug until I go some where.
And the car is too smart to let you drive off when plugged in…


Does it fart if you try to so so? That's such a great feature... the fart upgrade. Toyota, Honda, Ford, GM, and VW should implement this in their next generation of vehicles.
Brewha Offline
#264 Posted: Sat, Jan 21 2023, 11:46 AM EST
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BuckyB93 wrote:
Are you willing to provide sources to support your broad based claim? (I'm guessing not as you have not even attempted to provide them). The truth is that they are not more Earth friendly than ICE if you look at the lifecycle of producing, using, and end of life for an EV vs an ICE. EV's lose in the big picture in so many ways. Sources for that have been provided within this thread but you refuse to look at them or address them, which is typical head in the sand behavior.



Of course they are in the business of making money. That's the way things work. The money for EV manufacturing is to tap into the government subsidies and mandates. We've seen this in solar and wind "green energy" for decades but neither of them have produced any substantial return on investment without the subsidies provided by the government.

I'm not anti EV or solar or wind power. There is a time, place, and niche areas where they make sense. They are not the solution for a vast majority of the world. Sorry Charlie, try again.


Ok, have a look at https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/electric-vehicle-myths

Now my crystal ball tells me that some here will say that the EPA cannot be trusted - wait for it.



Gas and Oil are hugely subsidized - what’s the biggie?

And we are talking about the future of EV’s. Not solving the world problems next Tuesday.
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#265 Posted: Sat, Jan 21 2023, 11:47 AM EST
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8trackdisco wrote:
If it is plugged in all week, what does your energy bill look like, compared to only fully charing it and letting it sit until you need it?


It probably stops drawing energy after it's fully charged. It might just trickle a little to top it off as needed while it "sleeps." Similar to a laptop or cell phone (loose example).
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#266 Posted: Sat, Jan 21 2023, 11:49 AM EST
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BuckyB93 wrote:
Does it fart if you try to so so? That's such a great feature... the fart upgrade. Toyota, Honda, Ford, GM, and VW should implement this in their next generation of vehicles.

Agreed, but they kinda struggle with the sense of humor thing.

Closest thing so far is that the Ford Mustang Mach-E display calls the charger “Horse Power”.
Get it?
Brewha Offline
#267 Posted: Sat, Jan 21 2023, 11:54 AM EST
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Oh, the fart works inside too. You can set the sound to appear to come from any seat in the car and go off every time you put on the turn signal.

The wife doesn’t like it for some reason…..
Brewha Offline
#268 Posted: Sat, Jan 21 2023, 12:17 PM EST
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Here in the Dallas area, seems like each day I see more and more EV’s.

Seen in the wild so far:
Polestar 2 (Volvo)
Chevy Bolt
Mustang Mach-E
Rivian pick up truck (these are really nice)
Hyundai Ioniq 5
Kia EV6
BMW i3
Amazon delivery trucks (Rivian)
and tons of Tesla models S 3 X Y…
Brewha Offline
#269 Posted: Tue, Jan 24 2023, 1:05 PM EST
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Here in another prediction about the Future of EVs:

You will see more and more "news" articles, the upshot of which is "EV's are BAD".

From the Washington Examiner:
Man plugs in electric truck, learns it will take a week to charge
Yes - the truck was broken and needed a service call...

A lot of organization want the public to ignore EV's or think they are fundamentally bad.
More of this to come.
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#270 Posted: Tue, Jan 24 2023, 1:44 PM EST
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And how are those replacement parts coming along?

One of the viral videos (Tyler Hoovie’s F-150 EVT) come to find out was a faulty battery from the factory and the Ford dealer who now owns the truck can’t get a replacement. There’s more than “scary news sorties” going on here and this “news” has been around since hybrids were the thing (H2 Hummers having the same carbon footprint over vehicle lifespan as a Prius). The real issue here is what’s peddled and what’s reality.

If there weren’t mining issues, carbon impact from shipping minerals and recycling hurdles you PROBABLY would only have the argument about government force with mandates. But that would be honest.
Brewha Offline
#271 Posted: Tue, Jan 24 2023, 2:22 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
And how are those replacement parts coming along?

One of the viral videos (Tyler Hoovie’s F-150 EVT) come to find out was a faulty battery from the factory and the Ford dealer who now owns the truck can’t get a replacement. There’s more than “scary news sorties” going on here and this “news” has been around since hybrids were the thing (H2 Hummers having the same carbon footprint over vehicle lifespan as a Prius). The real issue here is what’s peddled and what’s reality.

If there weren’t mining issues, carbon impact from shipping minerals and recycling hurdles you PROBABLY would only have the argument about government force with mandates. But that would be honest.

A new Ford vehicle still in the first year of ramp up production has parts issues???
You don't say...

Mandates? You mean the California mandate of selling only EV's and PHEV's with in state lines - in 2035 - right?
Dude, that is 12 years away.

Carbon impact of shipping "minerals" (read parts)??
Car parts are sourced world wide today, for almost all cars.

You know that a Prius is a gas vehicle, right?
Burns gas like a hummer, huh?
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#272 Posted: Tue, Jan 24 2023, 2:31 PM EST
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*sighs and rolls eyes loud enough for everyone to hear*
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#273 Posted: Tue, Jan 24 2023, 2:37 PM EST
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Mellow
Brewha Offline
#274 Posted: Tue, Jan 24 2023, 2:59 PM EST
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my car just farted....
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#275 Posted: Tue, Jan 24 2023, 3:27 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
my car just farted....

So..... It has gas?
ZRX1200 Offline
#276 Posted: Tue, Jan 24 2023, 3:40 PM EST
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^ PWNED!
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#277 Posted: Tue, Jan 24 2023, 3:46 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Here in the Dallas area, seems like each day I see more and more EV’s.

Seen in the wild so far:
Polestar 2 (Volvo)
Chevy Bolt
Mustang Mach-E
Rivian pick up truck (these are really nice)
Hyundai Ioniq 5
Kia EV6
BMW i3
Amazon delivery trucks (Rivian)
and tons of Tesla models S 3 X Y…


You see what you want to see. Just a cursory MSRP search and that's IF there's no markup from the dealer.

Polestar 2 (Volvo) - The 2023 Polestar 2 has a base MSRP of $48,400, which is one of the lowest starting prices in the class. The price climbs to $51,900 for the Dual Motor all-wheel-drive model and $75,500 for the BST edition 270.

Chevy Bolt - The Chevy Bolt now starts at $26,500, up $900 from its previous base price. The EUV got a smaller increase of $600, up to a base price of $27,800. Both models are subject to a $995 destination fee on top of these prices.

Mustang Mach-E - Mach-E Version Starting MSRP $42,895 - $64,995

Rivian pick up truck (these are really nice) - $74,075 AWD (add $6,000), Max battery pack (add $16,000), plus one of the five $2,500 optional colors; 20 inch All-Terrain Dark or 22 inch Sport Dark wheels ($3,500, either way); and either the Ocean Coast or Forest Edge vegan leather interior option ($2,000) for a grand total of $104,075

Hyundai Ioniq 5 - $48,745/$57,245

Kia EV6 - $50,025 to $62,925.

BMW i3 - $44,450 - 47,650

Amazon delivery trucks (Rivian) - Not available to the general public

and tons of Tesla models S 3 X Y… - Tesla Model S Long Range AWD: $94,990 (previous: $104,990), Tesla Model S Plaid: $114,990 (previous: $135,990), Tesla Model Y Long Range AWD = $52,990 (previous: $65,990), Tesla Model Y Performance = $56,990 (previous: $69,990), Tesla Model 3 RWD = $43,990 (previous: $46,990), Tesla Model 3 Performance = $56,990 (previous: $62,990), Tesla Model X AWD = $109,990 (previous: 120,990), Tesla Model X Plaid Tri-Motor AWD = $119,990 (previous: 138,990)


The prices listed are 2023 MSRP. Like the posts in this thread show, you cannot get one at MSRP.

BUTT...they make fart noises and that's what really matters.
Brewha Offline
#278 Posted: Tue, Jan 24 2023, 4:39 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
You see what you want to see. Just a cursory MSRP search and that's IF there's no markup from the dealer.


and tons of Tesla models S 3 X Y… - Tesla Model S Long Range AWD: $94,990 (previous: $104,990), Tesla Model S Plaid: $114,990 (previous: $135,990), Tesla Model Y Long Range AWD = $52,990 (previous: $65,990), Tesla Model Y Performance = $56,990 (previous: $69,990), Tesla Model 3 RWD = $43,990 (previous: $46,990), Tesla Model 3 Performance = $56,990 (previous: $62,990), Tesla Model X AWD = $109,990 (previous: 120,990), Tesla Model X Plaid Tri-Motor AWD = $119,990 (previous: 138,990)


The prices listed are 2023 MSRP. Like the posts in this thread show, you cannot get one at MSRP.

BUTT...they make fart noises and that's what really matters.



Tesla don't have dealers, so there is no dealer screwing. The price on line is the price - I know cause I got one.
Some of the 3's and Y's get the point of sale tax credit. Low price leader:
Model 3 RWD $43,990 - $7,500 credit = $36,490 (and it not only farts but it effen drives itself)

I have heard horror stories about the Ford dealers adding $10k on their EV trucks - because they can.
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#279 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2023, 12:34 AM EST
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Now does it COME with self drive or is that an upgrade you pay more for like they do on other options? Tesla is a software company that sells cars. I’ve seen many videos by Tesla proponents that complained about things like performance packages not staying with the car.
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#280 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2023, 1:02 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Tesla don't have dealers, so there is no dealer screwing. The price on line is the price - I know cause I got one.
Some of the 3's and Y's get the point of sale tax credit. Low price leader:
Model 3 RWD $43,990 - $7,500 credit = $36,490 (and it not only farts but it effen drives itself)

I have heard horror stories about the Ford dealers adding $10k on their EV trucks - because they can.


At those prices they don’t need dealer screwing. Musk is handling that himself.

On the other hand, if their is no dealer network who does the warranty maintenance?
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#281 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2023, 2:20 AM EST
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https://www.tesla.com/findus/list/services/United%20States
DrMaddVibe Offline
#282 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2023, 6:21 AM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Now does it COME with self drive or is that an upgrade you pay more for like they do on other options? Tesla is a software company that sells cars. I’ve seen many videos by Tesla proponents that complained about things like performance packages not staying with the car.



The sad truth for Tesla owners.

https://www.torquenews.com/14093/turns-out-tesla-owners-technically-do-not-own-their-cars

They signed for it even. They get to keep the fart though.
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#283 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2023, 7:17 AM EST
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More news for delusional EV owners.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/man-drives-electric-volvo-350-28991522

Sooo many on the roads now. So many.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#284 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2023, 8:13 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
Tesla don't have dealers, so there is no dealer screwing. The price on line is the price - I know cause I got one.


Thanks Einstein. If you don't have a dealership...you can't have them marking up the prices, but please continue to obfuscate and tell yourself lies.
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#285 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2023, 9:01 AM EST
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EV is the future. Time to trade in your barns for garages
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#286 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2023, 9:48 AM EST
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tonygraz wrote:
EV is the future. Time to trade in your barns for garages


You’re just saying that because the government told you to say it.

(Betting against the government is a risky strategy)
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#287 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2023, 12:38 PM EST
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Inconvenient facts: https://www.instagram.com/p/Cn0DxgKNrGp/
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#288 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2023, 12:45 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
Inconvenient facts: https://www.instagram.com/p/Cn0DxgKNrGp/




True...true...but our resident "expert"...he DGAF about those or the planet.

Brewha wrote:
Macs, as I said before I did not buy the car to save the planet.
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#289 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2023, 12:56 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
At those prices they don’t need dealer screwing. Musk is handling that himself.

On the other hand, if their is no dealer network who does the warranty maintenance?

KBB sites the average price of a new car at $48,043. So $37k is a screwing how?

The local service center is about a mile form my office in north Dallas. But the one time I needed service they came to my house - at no charge.
HockeyDad Offline
#290 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2023, 1:01 PM EST
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That car already needed service?!
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#291 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2023, 1:02 PM EST
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he added tie-rod guards.... Mellow
Brewha Offline
#292 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2023, 1:02 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
More news for delusional EV owners.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/man-drives-electric-volvo-350-28991522

Sooo many on the roads now. So many.

As I pointed out before, my electric costs over the last 6 months have been 20 cents on the dollar to gas.

But hey, you got the UK Mirror giving you inside scoop, right?
Brewha Offline
#293 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2023, 1:06 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Thanks Einstein. If you don't have a dealership...you can't have them marking up the prices, but please continue to obfuscate and tell yourself lies.

You're calling my real world experiences lies - because you read some articles?
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#294 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2023, 1:12 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
That car already needed service?!

They came to install the garage door opener - an option I bought after purchase.

Full discloser - I have had to put air in the tires, now that the temperature has dropped.
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#295 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2023, 1:15 PM EST
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DrafterX wrote:
he added tie-rod guards.... Mellow

And next week I'm adding an antenna sharpener and refilling the blinker fluid....
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#296 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2023, 1:17 PM EST
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A garage?

#whitemaleprivilege
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#297 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2023, 1:20 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
The sad truth for Tesla owners.

https://www.torquenews.com/14093/turns-out-tesla-owners-technically-do-not-own-their-cars

They signed for it even. They get to keep the fart though.

Ok - It's just too obvious:

You are green with envy because you are stuck with some clunker diesel and lie awake each night wishing for something 21st century.

Don't hate the players, hate the game.
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#298 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2023, 1:21 PM EST
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ZRX1200 wrote:
A garage?

#whitemaleprivilege

Guess I should keep quiet about having a humidor...
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#299 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2023, 1:47 PM EST
Joined: 10-21-2000
Posts: 55,431
Brewha wrote:
Ok - It's just too obvious:

You are green with envy because you are stuck with some clunker diesel and lie awake each night wishing for something 21st century.

Don't hate the players, hate the game.


Um...no.

While I have the means I quite happy with my 2011 F250 6.2l. It's dents and dings but it's a farm truck that's been well loved and runs like a top because I take care of it. The 2020 Jeep Wrangler is a 3.0 turbo diesel and the wife is happy with her dream vehicle. Neither one "clunk"

Meanwhile, you have a car that you show off to children that farts. I despise the manner is which the DNC has enveloped the energy problem into a taxpayer drama saga with no end for no reason other than to follow the EU down a money draining epic failure.
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#300 Posted: Wed, Jan 25 2023, 1:51 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
You're calling my real world experiences lies - because you read some articles?




No Einstein, the lies about how the EV is better for the planet. I used to think you were smart. Now? I believe you're trying to smell the farts your car makes.
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