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i wish this on no one, but if your wife was raped, would you expect her to bring the child to term
wheelrite Offline
#101 Posted:
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dsmokers wrote:
Why Wheel? If you disagree with my post explain why? What is it about my post that makes you say what you did?


Your post is nothing but a weak attempt on your part to stir the pot..
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#102 Posted:
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No. Your post is a weak attempt to brush off a touchy subject that is hypocritical to every single thing you stated about how YOUR Church prevents you from doing wrong. Again, why do you call me that name? I agree with you on the abortion thing. I agree with the Catholic Church's view on it as well. However I don't agree with their view (and yours?) on touching little boys, murdering infidels, or allowing money to buy a ticket to Heaven. If I'm wrong, explain to me how I am wrong. Thanks.
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#103 Posted:
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by "and yours?" above I do NOT mean that you do these things, but rather are "okay" with your Church dismissing them.
wheelrite Offline
#104 Posted:
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dsmokers wrote:
by "and yours?" above I do NOT mean that you do these things, but rather are "okay" with your Church dismissing them.


Ok ,,
I'li type slow..

The theology of my religion is not flawed.Sometimes the flawed people that administer it are and sometimes very deeply flawed.

dsmokers Offline
#105 Posted:
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And as long as the highest member of the Catholic Church, the man that supposedly is the only one that can talk to God directly allows his members and leadership to act the way they do, then the entire Church is corrupt and flawed. So in regards to your "moron" comment, please save this for ANY member of YOUR Church that continues to follow ANY leader in faith that tells his followers that it's cool to rape young boys. Seriously messed up ideals, that I cannot agree with. Sorry. Just the way I feel, as well as the common consensus of ANY person that has children. How any Catholic person can allow their children to be near, with, or God forbid ALONE with a male member of the Catholic clergy is beyond me. Sorry dude, but you have a former Nazi in charge, and I can't get past that.
wheelrite Offline
#106 Posted:
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dsmokers wrote:
And as long as the highest member of the Catholic Church, the man that supposedly is the only one that can talk to God directly allows his members and leadership to act the way they do, then the entire Church is corrupt and flawed. So in regards to your "moron" comment, please save this for ANY member of YOUR Church that continues to follow ANY leader in faith that tells his followers that it's cool to rape young boys. Seriously messed up ideals, that I cannot agree with. Sorry. Just the way I feel, as well as the common consensus of ANY person that has children. How any Catholic person can allow their children to be near, with, or God forbid ALONE with a male member of the Catholic clergy is beyond me. Sorry dude, but you have a former Nazi in charge, and I can't get past that.


Your opinion is meaningless and you're still a moron..
dsmokers Offline
#107 Posted:
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My opinion? no dude...FACT! Your Church's leader is a former Nazi. You follow the guidance and leadership of a Nazi that allows his staff (I said staff) to touch young boys entrusted in their care by followers and good people such as yourself. Do you NOT see the bs in this? Moron? come on dude. You clearly have some good morals, as I said I agree with you on both your stances regarding abortion and the death penalty.
HockeyDad Offline
#108 Posted:
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Nazi outrage!
dsmokers Offline
#109 Posted:
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there's the diversion, right on cue.
leonardo Offline
#110 Posted:
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dsmokers wrote:
My opinion? no dude...FACT! Your Church's leader is a former Nazi. You follow the guidance and leadership of a Nazi that allows his staff (I said staff) to touch young boys entrusted in their care by followers and good people such as yourself. Do you NOT see the bs in this? Moron? come on dude. You clearly have some good morals, as I said I agree with you on both your stances regarding abortion and the death penalty.


It is possible that you are just incredibly ignorant about the Catholic Church, instead of being a moron.

Sorry, couldn't resist.
dsmokers Offline
#111 Posted:
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I suppose I am ignorant to many aspects of the Catholic Church. Maybe someone can enlighten me on the whole process. I mean, how does one become a Pope? Do things such as being a member of the Nazi Party put you to the head of the line? Is this the Catholic's way of getting back at the Jews for killing Jesus? How is it that a known Nazi can become the highest member of organized religion? Turn on the news and every political figure from Obama to the President of the Podunk, Arkansas 8th Grade Student Council is a Nazi, but the Pope gets a free pass. Even after the whole kids thing. I just don't get it. Somebody make me not ignorant. Please?
leonardo Offline
#112 Posted:
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Nah, you're fine. If you're really curious though, you could try talking to a priest.
dsmokers Offline
#113 Posted:
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Nice! :)
Brewha Offline
#114 Posted:
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wheelrite wrote:
As history shows,consensus is often incorrect and immoral.


Oh, I agree with that - yet;
If not consensus, and if not the pure logic of science, than what? divine guidance?
That would only work if everyone had the same vision of right, the same vision of truth - and people simply don't.
dsmokers Offline
#115 Posted:
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Brewha, I believe that all humans do have the same vision and the same sense of right or wrong. I truly believe that we are born with the instinct and cognitive ability to not only do what is "right" but also to grow and develop. To evolve into better beings. I believe that this is what "God" wants us to do. It's in our DNA. Someone asked me once when I felt that a human first committed a sin, and I replied as soon as someone told them that they had.

Remember, Adam would not have met or known God had it not been for Eve. And yet somehow we screwed her over and made her out to be bad. Men. Men with money and agendas.

All hail me!

(I threw that last part in there cause the serotonin level in my head just peaked for whatever reason... :)
jetblasted Offline
#116 Posted:
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So, was it Cain or Abel that had sex with Eve?
dsmokers Offline
#117 Posted:
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and what's up with that serpent that is hanging out in that tree on doctor uniforms? He looks an awful lot like the one in that tree in my Sunday School text. Does this mean Doctors are evil because they cherish Kundalini?
wheelrite Offline
#118 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Oh, I agree with that - yet;
If not consensus, and if not the pure logic of science, than what? divine guidance?
That would only work if everyone had the same vision of right, the same vision of truth - and people simply don't.


It's called faith .
Science does'nt have all the answers and never will.
dsmokers Offline
#119 Posted:
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But you're putting your faith in the words and deeds of a Nazi. Not the words and deeds of The Christ. Remember, he was against organized religion. Made him wanna flip over tables and such. Remember? Faith.
HockeyDad Offline
#120 Posted:
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Just to unthreadjack this thing from the current Catholic bashing......

Would it be OK to abort a Nazi?
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#121 Posted:
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dsmokers wrote:
But you're putting your faith in the words and deeds of a Nazi. Not the words and deeds of The Christ. Remember, he was against organized religion. Made him wanna flip over tables and such. Remember? Faith.


Once again, you pull the typical liberal ploy of sprinkling in just enough truth to make your lie seem plausible. Christ was NOT against organized religion. He preached in the Temple. He called it "His Father's House". He overturned the tables because the Priests had allowed the Court of the Gentiles, the place where non-Jews could come to worship God, to be transformed into a market. Merchants where selling "certified" sacrifices at high prices and giving a kickback to the Priests. This is what upset Him so much. Not the Temple, or the system of worship, but the corruption and greed. It wasn’t religion that Christ preached against, but the "self-righteous", those who thought they could earn their way to heaven under their own merit, without repentance, and without putting their faith in Him.

I'm not a defender of the Catholic faith. I disagree totally with the teachings of the Roman Church. But your attacks are way off base. BTW, since atheists usually love to blame the horrible crimes committed in history by evil men under the "name of Christ" on true Christians and on God Himself, shouldn't atheists take responsibility for the millions slaughtered under evil men who believed like them?
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#122 Posted:
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dsmokers wrote:
I suppose I am ignorant to many aspects of the Catholic Church. Maybe someone can enlighten me on the whole process. I mean, how does one become a Pope? Do things such as being a member of the Nazi Party put you to the head of the line? Is this the Catholic's way of getting back at the Jews for killing Jesus? How is it that a known Nazi can become the highest member of organized religion? Turn on the news and every political figure from Obama to the President of the Podunk, Arkansas 8th Grade Student Council is a Nazi, but the Pope gets a free pass. Even after the whole kids thing. I just don't get it. Somebody make me not ignorant. Please?



IGNORANCE IS BLISS.........YOU HAPPY?
Brewha Offline
#123 Posted:
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wheelrite wrote:
It's called faith .
Science does'nt have all the answers and never will.


I guess I should respect that different people find their truths in different places – and sometimes have different truths. This would seem to be ‘in the way of things’.

Of course, I think that truth is mutable – so how smart can I be?
Brewha Offline
#124 Posted:
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dsmokers wrote:
Brewha, I believe that all humans do have the same vision and the same sense of right or wrong. I truly believe that we are born with the instinct and cognitive ability to not only do what is "right" but also to grow and develop. To evolve into better beings. I believe that this is what "God" wants us to do. It's in our DNA. Someone asked me once when I felt that a human first committed a sin, and I replied as soon as someone told them that they had.

Remember, Adam would not have met or known God had it not been for Eve. And yet somehow we screwed her over and made her out to be bad. Men. Men with money and agendas.

All hail me!

(I threw that last part in there cause the serotonin level in my head just peaked for whatever reason... :)


Well, I would like to agree, but no – I don’t think all humans have the same vision. Sure our values, mores, and morals largely come from our long evolution as social animals. And so we have some consensus and harmony. But, wow – some of the views people have define all logic I can bring to them . . . but, I could be wrong. It would not be the first time.

This brings to mind Cassandra, who was granted clairvoyance. But with the condition that no one would believe her.
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#125 Posted:
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I am "Pro Choice"....I don't believe that life begins with conception. That would mean everytime you have sex and it doesn't create a baby...you body has gone through a natual "for a lack of a word Abortion" That being said I can't imagine mysef ever wanting my wife to have one. But having the right to abort in cases of Rape, The Indangerment of the Mother, or the Child having a medical condition that would prevent the child from enjoying a "normal" life. lets say the child will never be able to leave the bed, or the childs brain will never go past a 6 month's olds. Should be the right of every person.
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