MACS wrote:Russian meddling is one thing. Using a fake dossier, lying to FISA court judges and using the FBI/DOJ to spy on Trump and try to pin the meddling on him and call it collusion is quite another.
Meddling may not be a hoax, but the idea that Trump orchestrated said meddling most certainly was.
And I know you'se is bettah wif wurds, but how bout dem numbahs?? Obama pardoned more than a buncha previous presidents combined... not a peep.
the stuff in the first paragraph...all the spying claims have been investigated and reinvestigated multiple times. And after the investigations, Barr ordered an investigation into the investigation!!!
Don't cite opinions, post investigation results, not interpretations. Was anything that ensued based largely on the Steele stuff or other infractions? I have never seen any Law Enforcement agency in the USA report claiming that as the basis of what ensued...have you? Yet it just keeps getting repeated. Why? Cuz it's the team being rooted for, like the Patriots, but with more at stake. I get that. I scramble to defend Brady, but if it was a serious threat to our democracy, playing current favorites would take a back seat to our future or the local eleven.
They definitely did wrong things that can not be repeated, we should all benefit from knowing they are capable of such chit that puts all of us at risk, but after every review, every review, none were the cited as the crux of why things progressed. According to the courts, not Trump. Unless I missed a report somewhere. But the cons continue to cling to these as they fade from relative to the eventual findings.
Trump does not (yet) have the power to orchestrate Russian interference, never saw any claims he did. But he certainly accepted it. That can be verified. "Russia, if you can hear me..." "I'd listen to foreign..." and more.
Mueller did not exonerate Trump (a Barr lie that Mueller addressed directly on TV to the American public) but he said the DOJ currently opined that he could not indict the POTUS. So he did not/could not.
So instead Mueller, a life long registered Republican, laid out a dozen situations for Congress to check out.
As for the number of pardons...I guess more than volume would be the individual crimes and reasons for presidential action. So far, I have not blown a gasket over Trump's actions, subject to change, but certainly even his blind followers might be getting a little uncomfortable explaining it all.