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DrMaddVibe Offline
#101 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 1:57 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Saw some interesting data from China and Europe concerning the folks that don’t die.



Seeing as how one nation wanted to hide away any scintilla of a pandemic and the others are pissed because the US is doing something about it...kind of invalidates any data you wanted to share from them.

Thanks, but no thanks.
teedubbya Offline
#102 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 1:59 PM EST
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MACS this is important and you clearly don’t understand it. Maybe I’m too immersed in it but your message includes misinformation and no I wasn’t just let it go. I didn’t say you suggested not disinfecting stuff but you gave information that shows your lack of understanding but continued attempts to weigh, correct things or act smart about this. Your post was simply giving the wrong message.

Reread this thread. You clearly don’t understand this and no YouTube video will get you there. It’s ok. You can’t be an expert in everything. I’d not try giving you advice on how the California corrections system works or sea fishing.

But your grasp of this is limited and you are all over the place. It’s nothing personal. Get a coat. But this is too important for the usual nonsense.

If I don’t respond to your inevitable next message I will later. I hav e 2 minutes to get to another meeting on an ongoing crisis.
teedubbya Offline
#103 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 2:00 PM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Seeing as how one nation wanted to hide away any scintilla of a pandemic and the others are pissed because the US is doing something about it...kind of invalidates any data you wanted to share from them.

Thanks, but no thanks.




Um. LMAO.

Not worthy of logical response.
DrMaddVibe Offline
#104 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 2:00 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Um. LMAO.

Not worthy of logical response.



Then by all means leave!
opelmanta1900 Offline
#105 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 2:02 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Washing hands and surface disinfection is critical. I don’t know where any legitimate information minimizing this is coming from. It’s why you should try not to touch your face. Public distancing is important as well. Spey you hit it pretty spot on

Careful where you get your info.

Michael Osterholm for one disagrees with you... Important? Sure... Is it gonna help stop the spread? According to many sources, no... This virus is spread primarily through breathing...
teedubbya Offline
#106 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 2:05 PM EST
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Not sure of all your sources and I guess we will have to disagree (not about the breathing part) as well as disagree with the CDC and WHO at the moment. Listening to dr Fauchi I’m not sure how anyone could know that even if it were true. It’s irresponsible to spread that message at this point.
teedubbya Offline
#107 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 2:08 PM EST
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DMV this is too important for your nonsense. No need for me to leave I’ll just smile and laugh at it.

MACS I respect you. That’s why I care what you say. Some will run with it. No one will do so with anything dmv says. He’s not taken seriously by anyone.
teedubbya Offline
#108 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 2:09 PM EST
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I am interested in how osterholm is drawing his conclusions.
teedubbya Offline
#109 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 2:11 PM EST
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On the call I am on right now part of the discussion is on transferring accepted sanitizing processes in hospitals and nursing homes to public places like restaurants as a front line defense to be combined with social distancing etc.
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#110 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 2:12 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Not sure of all your sources and I guess we will have to disagree as well as disagree with the CDC and WHO at the moment. Listening to dr Fauchi I’m not sure how anyone could know that even if it were true. It’s irresponsible to spread that message at this point.

Can you at least concede that if in fact a particular virus is spread primarily through breathing, then all the handwashing and surface cleansing in the world will not stop its spread?

The data on SARS and MERS are fairly clear on the method in which corona virus is typically spread...
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#111 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 2:13 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I am interested in how osterholm is drawing his conclusions.

MERS and SARS, the two most widely studied corona viruses we have...
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#112 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 2:15 PM EST
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MERS in particular (I'm hearing) is probably going to end up being a good model for how this corona virus is going to act based on the weather conditions we'll soon be encountering...
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#113 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 2:18 PM EST
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^ I’m aware of that. Worked on both in one way or another. That doesn’t answer my q but I can go look.

No argument on breathing. And no one thing will stop it. It has to be a multifaceted attack in which sanitation has a major role. I can’t imagine Osterholm disagreeing with that. I haven’t read or heard it so I’ll take your word for it. I can’t help but think it’s being misinterpreted or extrapolated further than he meant.
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#114 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 2:22 PM EST
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Have to engage in the next part of the call. Will pop back later.
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#115 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 2:28 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
Can you at least concede that if in fact a particular virus is spread primarily through breathing, then all the handwashing and surface cleansing in the world will not stop its spread?

The data on SARS and MERS are fairly clear on the method in which corona virus is typically spread...


I actually was reading a report that it's droplet based. Not aerosol.

But regardless, the cleansing portion stops it from getting a foothold, because you can still transmit it that way.
MACS Offline
#116 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 2:32 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I am interested in how osterholm is drawing his conclusions.


No offense, tee... but however he's drawing his conclusions I am more apt to believe him due to his extensive knowledge and background in infectious diseases. YMMV

I am not claiming to be an expert. I am all over the place, or at least I was until I listened to what Osterholm had to say.

And while I have a respectable grasp of ocean fishing... I'm no expert there, either. In fact, I am decent... with a hell of a lot to learn and a willingness to do so!
opelmanta1900 Offline
#117 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 2:36 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
Have to engage in the next part of the call. Will pop back later.

there's 2 o's in poop...
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#118 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 2:37 PM EST
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You have more expertise than me on ocean fishing and I’d never watch a YouTube video on the subject and think it’s changes that fact. You didn’t go from all over the place to grounded by one video. But you do have more info and better info and deserve respect for that.

I honestly think his message must be misinterpreted, taken too far from his context or he didn’t communicate it well but I’ve not watched it yet so am talking out my butt. And things are changing every day. A week ago seems like an eternity. I am tired of this stuff. It’s consuming my world lol.

Have fun guys. Back later.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#119 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 2:37 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
No offense, tee... but however he's drawing his conclusions I am more apt to believe him due to his extensive knowledge and background in infectious diseases. YMMV

I am not claiming to be an expert. I am all over the place, or at least I was until I listened to what Osterholm had to say.

And while I have a respectable grasp of ocean fishing... I'm no expert there, either. In fact, I am decent... with a hell of a lot to learn and a willingness to do so!

you sound like a guy who has no idea how many infectious diseases tw has had...
opelmanta1900 Offline
#120 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 2:38 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
^ I’m aware of that. Worked on both in one way or another. That doesn’t answer my q but I can go look.

No argument on breathing. And no one thing will stop it. It has to be a multifaceted attack in which sanitation has a major role. I can’t imagine Osterholm disagreeing with that. I haven’t read or heard it so I’ll take your word for it. I can’t help but think it’s being misinterpreted or extrapolated further than he meant.

I'll pull it up and find the exact portion for you...
opelmanta1900 Offline
#121 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 2:41 PM EST
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbqQdwvjf7U

there's the actual extrapolated clip... it's only around 5 minutes long... I think once you see it you'll understand what he is saying...
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#122 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 2:41 PM EST
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All PA schools are closed for the next 10 business days - starting Monday.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#123 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 2:46 PM EST
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ShanaC@CigarBid wrote:
All PA schools are closed for the next 10 business days - starting Monday.

I think we'll come to regret decisions such as these, but also expect CA to make a similar call this weekend...
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#124 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 2:47 PM EST
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I don't know if it has been mentioned here or elsewhere yet, but have you guys seen what China is saying about the origin? They are saying that American soldiers brought the virus over when they were in Wuhan in October. Wouldn't that be a trip? To think that it could have been in the US all this time is crazy. God only knows what the truth is though. Just found it entertaining.
MACS Offline
#125 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 2:50 PM EST
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^The truth is... China markets are filthy fkn petrie dishes of animals that shouldn't be mixed, are killed right there in the markets, and have zero sanitation.

There's a truth for you.
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#126 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 2:51 PM EST
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CelticBomber wrote:
Damn it! That's twice I've snorted Pepsi today.

Time to switch to Coke.
It's the real thing...
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#127 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 2:52 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
^The truth is... China markets are filthy fkn petrie dishes of animals that shouldn't be mixed, are killed right there in the markets, and have zero sanitation.

There's a truth for you.


Oh, I know that. The stuff I have learned about the country over the last week makes me never, ever want to travel there. No thanks!
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#128 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 2:52 PM EST
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Wow. This is incredible, he's looping in every single key commercial medical developer, service firms, and retail outlets to attack this chit like a hydra. Completely awesome way to answer the call. Not just government intervention but capitalist coordination.
opelmanta1900 Offline
#129 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 2:55 PM EST
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izonfire wrote:
Time to switch to Coke.
It's the real thing...

I don't wanna be foreman at the ol rumor mill, but I'm hearing from my sources that a certain group of people may or may not be urinating in the aforementioned soft drink product...

Best to stick with Pepsi for now...
opelmanta1900 Offline
#130 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 3:08 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
You have more expertise than me on ocean fishing and I’d never watch a YouTube video on the subject and think it’s changes that fact. You didn’t go from all over the place to grounded by one video. But you do have more info and better info and deserve respect for that.

I honestly think his message must be misinterpreted, taken too far from his context or he didn’t communicate it well but I’ve not watched it yet so am talking out my butt. And things are changing every day. A week ago seems like an eternity. I am tired of this stuff. It’s consuming my world lol.

Have fun guys. Back later.

1) clean out your inbox...


2) thoughts on my kids (5 and 6) visiting my parents (66 and 69 but in good health)?

Trying to keep my folks quarantined as much as possible but they get antsy... Figured a visit from the grandkids would do them good but I'm foggy on their roll in this virus...

From what we know, does it look like they aren't contracting it or they are contracting it but asymptomatic like little typhoid Mary's?
teedubbya Offline
#131 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 3:15 PM EST
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jjanecka wrote:
Wow. This is incredible, he's looping in every single key commercial medical developer, service firms, and retail outlets to attack this chit like a hydra. Completely awesome way to answer the call. Not just government intervention but capitalist coordination.



It’s almost as if some government experts have been in constant conversations with public and private experts and providers putting an approach together :)

And it is a good thing. No guarantees though. Fasten you’re seatbelts.

I’ll clean out the inbox and listen to the whole video in a bit. I have yet another meeting first. My last one was postponed to listen to the president and the familiar faces behind him.
teedubbya Offline
#132 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 3:17 PM EST
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Oh sorry opel. The thing is nothing is certain. That’s the primary issue with most of the speculation right or wrong. The thought at the moment is asymptomatic Typhoid Mary. But truly we have much to learn.
teedubbya Offline
#133 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 3:21 PM EST
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I’d error on the side of caution.... including washing hands lol
opelmanta1900 Offline
#134 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 3:24 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I’d error on the side of caution.... including washing hands lol

We're washing hands but only with soiled wash cloths and tainted soap... Figure a leg on each side of the fence can't hurt anything too important...
DrMaddVibe Offline
#135 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 3:40 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
DMV this is too important for your nonsense. No need for me to leave I’ll just smile and laugh at it.

MACS I respect you. That’s why I care what you say. Some will run with it. No one will do so with anything dmv says. He’s not taken seriously by anyone.



You're the one bringing nonsense to the table and berating others.

Pedo Biden smiles a lot too.

As for being taken serious by the likes of anyone like you...OMG...how will I sleep at night worrying about what you all think...hold that thought...smile some more...maybe blink and breathe too! In and out. That's important.
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#136 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 3:41 PM EST
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I'm checking a lot of the boxes in the "at risk" group: 1) 66+ yr old, 2) underlying health conditions - diabetes and asthma, 3) overweight/obese - 25lb overweight, 4) smoker - cigars, not cigarettes...gonna stick around the house for a few weeks and see what happens...
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#137 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 3:43 PM EST
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Non peer reviewed study indicates it might be alive for 3 hours airborne.
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#138 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 3:44 PM EST
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(Princeton and UCLA FWIW)
MACS Offline
#139 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 3:50 PM EST
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delta1 wrote:
I'm checking a lot of the boxes in the "at risk" group: 1) 66+ yr old, 2) underlying health conditions - diabetes and asthma, 3) overweight/obese - 25lb overweight, 4) smoker - cigars, not cigarettes...gonna stick around the house for a few weeks and see what happens...


Oh, we're going fishing in May, buddy... who is going with us?
delta1 Online
#140 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 4:07 PM EST
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I'm planning that to be a "coming out" party.....figure of speech...hope the virus pandemic will be behind us by then....


Darren and Anthony are coming...plan to fish at Lake Casitas for bass and trout on Sat (hope they have a big pontoon for rent), and then ocean/rock fishing Sun...
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#141 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 4:40 PM EST
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H1N1 went from March to pretty much November, so I don't think that's realistic.
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#142 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 4:56 PM EST
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I'll check with the Ventura Harbor Sportfishing office and the Lake Casitas tackle shop a few days before that week-end, to see if they're open for business...

we'll prolly have to see what the lay of the land is at the resort in Ventura...they get peeps from all over the US and Europe staying there...


any staff or inmates showing symptoms at the jail?
MACS Offline
#143 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 5:38 PM EST
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I dunno... I ain't been to work since January 23rd. Going back on the 25th for a couple months.
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#144 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 5:56 PM EST
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unless we can track down that hobo... wuteru, like 5'8", 5'9"?
MACS Offline
#145 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 6:09 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
unless we can track down that hobo... wuteru, like 5'8", 5'9"?


5' 10" 196 right now... it's okay if the hobo has a beard... we can grow beards now. He can go to work for me, but I got direct deposit, so he ain't getting paid.
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#146 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 6:10 PM EST
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From the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry. That's a lot of money out the door right there. That place is always packed.

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That’s why the Museum will temporarily close starting Saturday, March 14 through Monday, April 6 to help contain the spread of COVID-19. All events and programming during this period are being cancelled. If you have Museum tickets for a visit during the closure, you will be refunded automatically. Please allow up to five business days for your card to be credited.


We plan to reopen on Tuesday, April 7 but will continually evaluate the situation, taking into account guidance from the Chicago Department of Public Health and the Centers for Disease Control. For ongoing updates on Museum status, please visit the link below.


Take care of yourselves, your communities and your information intake—make sure you’re following verified sources to help separate findings from feelings. As we all work to contain this outbreak, the Museum extends its special appreciation to those in health care, medicine, research and other fields bravely leading the frontline response.


We take these steps now to protect the health and safety of the Museum’s guests, staff and volunteers, so that we may more quickly welcome you back to MSI.
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#147 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 6:33 PM EST
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https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca
MACS Offline
#148 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 6:39 PM EST
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Really... I've gotten e-mails from: HOA, Duluth Trading Co, Nationwide Financial, Round Table Pizza, CalPers, and Kaiser Permanente about "what we're doing" about the corona virus.

I'm sorry... but IDGAS.
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#149 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 6:50 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Really... I've gotten e-mails from: HOA, Duluth Trading Co, Nationwide Financial, Round Table Pizza, CalPers, and Kaiser Permanente about "what we're doing" about the corona virus.

I'm sorry... but IDGAS.


All Disney Parks and cruises...closed.

Daughter was just notified that all FL schools are closed for 2 weeks.

The $hit is bananas.
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#150 Posted: Fri, Mar 13 2020, 7:13 PM EST
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Maybe so... but if all these things actually work and the spread is mitigated by it... good.

The quicker it's over, the happier we'll all be.
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