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301. Author: delta1Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 1:04PM EST
family wants chili dogs for lunch...I better get busy...
302. Author: teedubbyaDate: Tue, 6/2/2020, 1:48PM EST
I had a chili dog outside the tasty freeze once
303. Author: DrafterXDate: Tue, 6/2/2020, 1:54PM EST
freak.... Mellow
304. Author: teedubbyaDate: Tue, 6/2/2020, 1:56PM EST
Dianne? Is that you?
305. Author: RMAN4443Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 1:59PM EST
No, Jack.....Jack Meehoff....Anxious
306. Author: SmokeMonkeyDate: Tue, 6/2/2020, 2:37PM EST
Good afternoon, y’all
307. Author: MACSDate: Tue, 6/2/2020, 3:20PM EST
delta1 wrote:
family wants chili dogs for lunch...I better get busy...


I sure could go for a chili dog about now... Mellow
308. Author: danmdevriesDate: Tue, 6/2/2020, 3:41PM EST
Yawn.

Slept well today. Set an alarm for noon so I wouldn't. Slept right on through.

309. Author: izonfireDate: Tue, 6/2/2020, 3:53PM EST
MACS wrote:
I sure could go for a chili dog about now... Mellow

Yeah. A chili dog would really hit the spot... Mellow
310. Author: victor809Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 3:56PM EST
I dunno why you guys are so into animal cruelty these days. Give the damn puppy a sweater or turn down the damn air conditioning.....

jeez....
311. Author: DrafterXDate: Tue, 6/2/2020, 3:57PM EST
turning down the a/c makes it colder.... Mellow
312. Author: victor809Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 3:59PM EST
DrafterX wrote:
turning down the a/c makes it colder.... Mellow


I always hated phrases referring to reduction in heat. I've never felt it was correct.

Turning up or down the power of a system designed to reduce temperature leads to a lot of inaccuracies in speech.

I intended to refer to the power of the AC, not the setting of the AC. Under those terms, reducing the AC power would allow the heat to increase.

but I'm fine with saying "increase the thermostat setting" if that makes you feel better.
313. Author: izonfireDate: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:02PM EST
DrafterX wrote:
turning down the a/c makes it colder.... Mellow

Just be sure to shave it so you don't get hair in you teeth... Mellow
314. Author: MACSDate: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:02PM EST
Tomato - tomahto...
315. Author: izonfireDate: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:04PM EST
victor809 wrote:
I always hated phrases referring to reduction in heat. I've never felt it was correct.

Turning up or down the power of a system designed to reduce temperature leads to a lot of inaccuracies in speech.

I intended to refer to the power of the AC, not the setting of the AC. Under those terms, reducing the AC power would allow the heat to increase.

but I'm fine with saying "increase the thermostat setting" if that makes you feel better.

Your comments about your idiosyncrasies are extremely interesting... Mellow
316. Author: DrafterXDate: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:05PM EST
victor809 wrote:
I always hated phrases referring to reduction in heat. I've never felt it was correct.

Turning up or down the power of a system designed to reduce temperature leads to a lot of inaccuracies in speech.

I intended to refer to the power of the AC, not the setting of the AC. Under those terms, reducing the AC power would allow the heat to increase.

but I'm fine with saying "increase the thermostat setting" if that makes you feel better.



or you could just say turning up the a/c.. Mellow
317. Author: izonfireDate: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:08PM EST
DrafterX wrote:
or you could just say turning up the a/c.. Mellow

I'm not tired of this subject at all... Mellow
318. Author: victor809Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:10PM EST
izonfire wrote:
I'm not tired of this subject at all... Mellow


Oh good....

We should delve into the thermodynamics of it then. Because when we talk about A/C we're not talking about adding cold, but removing heat. The use of a heat pump and circulating air allows us to reduce the temperature in a space.

Now... before we go too far into Air Conditioning, we need to talk about the design of the modern living structure....
319. Author: SunoverbeachDate: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:10PM EST
Set the thermostat at xx.

Inaccuracies negated
320. Author: DrafterXDate: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:12PM EST
you are correct... cooling is actually removing heat.... but when we do that we are conditioning the air to our preference and comfort... that means either turning the thermostat up or down.... Mellow
321. Author: izonfireDate: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:13PM EST
victor809 wrote:
Oh good....

We should delve into the thermodynamics of it then. Because when we talk about A/C we're not talking about adding cold, but removing heat. The use of a heat pump and circulating air allows us to reduce the temperature in a space.

Now... before we go too far into Air Conditioning, we need to talk about the design of the modern living structure....

Actually, the net effect of the air conditioning system is the addition of heat... Mellow
322. Author: MACSDate: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:13PM EST
They really need to open the damn gyms.
323. Author: DrafterXDate: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:16PM EST
freon removes heat... when it goes thru the compressor in the condensing unit heat is removed from the freon and the freon is sent back into the structure to absorb more heat.... Mellow
324. Author: izonfireDate: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:16PM EST
Waiting on a response from Vic. This is riveting... Mellow
325. Author: victor809Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:18PM EST
izonfire wrote:
Actually, the net effect of the air conditioning system is the addition of heat... Mellow


Do you mean that the total process is exothermic? I believe that is correct. But the increased heat is localized away from the circulating air.
326. Author: victor809Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:18PM EST
izonfire wrote:
Waiting on a response from Vic. This is riveting... Mellow


I mean, we could be talking about chilly dogs instead....
327. Author: izonfireDate: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:19PM EST
DrafterX wrote:
freon removes heat... when it goes thru the compressor in the condensing unit heat is removed from the freon and is sent back into the structure to absorb more heat.... Mellow


The energy required by the compressor is enormous, generating vast amounts of heat.
Which more than negates the reduction of heat inside of the house... Mellow
328. Author: izonfireDate: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:20PM EST
Your turn Vic... Mellow
329. Author: victor809Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:21PM EST
izonfire wrote:
The energy required by the compressor is enormous, generating vast amounts of heat.
Which more than negates the reduction of heat in the inside of the house... Mellow


I mean.... what you're talking about is that the total system is not "reducing heat" overall. It's just moving it. And the process of moving it requires energy, and also creates heat as a byproduct.
330. Author: DrafterXDate: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:21PM EST
the heat you feel coming out of the condensing unit used to be in da house.... that's how you know it's working... Mellow
331. Author: victor809Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:22PM EST
The total process is not endothermic.

Although it does have localized endothermic reactions.
332. Author: izonfireDate: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:26PM EST
victor809 wrote:
The total process is not endothermic.

Although it does have localized endothermic reactions.

When the freon is released from the condenser and then allowed to expand, that process is endothermic... Mellow
333. Author: SunoverbeachDate: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:30PM EST
victor809 wrote:
I mean, we could be talking about chilly dogs instead....

Well the dogs can't get too chilly until we figure out whether we're turning the A/C up or down
334. Author: izonfireDate: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:30PM EST
Vic. Come back. This is great... Mellow
335. Author: rfenstDate: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:33PM EST
izonfire wrote:
When the freon is released from the condenser and then allowed to expand, that process is endothermic... Mellow

You tell them !!!
336. Author: izonfireDate: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:35PM EST
rfenst wrote:
You tell them !!!

Thanks for the support rfenst... Mellow
337. Author: izonfireDate: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:36PM EST
I could run this straight to the next 500... Mellow
338. Author: victor809Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:36PM EST
izonfire wrote:
When the freon is released from the condenser and then allowed to expand, that process is endothermic... Mellow


That's precisely what I meant by localized endothermic reactions.
339. Author: DrafterXDate: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:37PM EST
Also, the cooling of the freon is done by the circulation, which the compressor does, thru the coils on your condensing unit... that's why it's so important to keep your unit clean... Mellow
340. Author: izonfireDate: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:42PM EST
victor809 wrote:
That's precisely what I meant by localized endothermic reactions.

But the entire process as a whole is exothermic.

Precisely what I meant by my earlier statement -
"Actually, the net effect of the air conditioning system is the addition of heat"... Mellow
341. Author: izonfireDate: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:44PM EST
This is fun... Mellow
342. Author: victor809Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:44PM EST
izonfire wrote:
But the entire process as a whole is exothermic.

Precisely what I meant by my earlier statement -
"Actually, the net effect of the air conditioning system is the addition of heat"... Mellow


So we're in agreement.

Excellent.

Now let's get into building materials, and how they evolved from early stone structures, to our modern double-layer insulated homes we have now, as well as how these structures impacted the development of A/C units.
343. Author: rfenstDate: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:44PM EST
This is one of CBID's most inane disputes. but I'll wade in with the following:

We run our a/c in the summer at 72 during the day and 68 at night. Sometimes, during the day I set it down to 71, which turns up the a/c unit when it kicks in. So take that futher muckers!
344. Author: izonfireDate: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:45PM EST
Nuthin' better than a clean unit... Mellow
345. Author: izonfireDate: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:47PM EST
rfenst wrote:
This is one of CBID's most inane disputes. but I'll wade in with the following:

We run our a/c in the summer at 72 during the day and 68 at night. Sometimes, during the day I set it down to 71, which turns up the a/c unit when it kicks in. So take that futher muckers!

Uh-oh. I think Vic is gonna lose his schitt... Mellow
346. Author: SunoverbeachDate: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:49PM EST
If you're talking total system overall you have to take into account increased power demand and resultant generation. Good majority of the grid is still steam driven turbines so definite heat release to atmosphere
347. Author: DrafterXDate: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:49PM EST
It turns the a/c unit on... not up... Mellow
348. Author: victor809Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:51PM EST
izonfire wrote:
Uh-oh. I think Vic is gonna lose his schitt... Mellow


TRIGGERED!!!!
349. Author: izonfireDate: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:52PM EST
victor809 wrote:
So we're in agreement.

No, I corrected you, and now you agree...
victor809 wrote:
We should delve into the thermodynamics of it then. Because when we talk about A/C we're not talking about adding cold, but removing heat. The use of a heat pump and circulating air allows us to reduce the temperature in a space.

Now... before we go too far into Air Conditioning, we need to talk about the design of the modern living structure....

____

victor809 wrote:
Now let's get into building materials, and how they evolved from early stone structures, to our modern double-layer insulated homes we have now, as well as how these structures impacted the development of A/C units.

That's for the next 500. I'm still running with the A/C. Riveting still... Mellow
350. Author: victor809Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:52PM EST
DrafterX wrote:
It turns the a/c unit on... not up... Mellow


That's actually a fair point in this silliness....

(why is it that drafter only makes salient points when the topic itself is ridiculous?)

The A/C unit itself doesn't have a temperature setting it cools to, just an on/off cycle which can vary the amount of on-time vs off-time
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