301. Author: delta1 | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 1:04PM EST | |
family wants chili dogs for lunch...I better get busy... |
302. Author: teedubbya | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 1:48PM EST | |
I had a chili dog outside the tasty freeze once |
303. Author: DrafterX | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 1:54PM EST | |
freak.... |
304. Author: teedubbya | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 1:56PM EST | |
Dianne? Is that you? |
305. Author: RMAN4443 | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 1:59PM EST | |
No, Jack.....Jack Meehoff.... |
306. Author: SmokeMonkey | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 2:37PM EST | |
Good afternoon, y’all |
307. Author: MACS | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 3:20PM EST | |
delta1 wrote:family wants chili dogs for lunch...I better get busy... I sure could go for a chili dog about now... |
308. Author: danmdevries | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 3:41PM EST | |
Yawn.
Slept well today. Set an alarm for noon so I wouldn't. Slept right on through.
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309. Author: izonfire | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 3:53PM EST | |
MACS wrote:I sure could go for a chili dog about now... Yeah. A chili dog would really hit the spot... |
310. Author: victor809 | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 3:56PM EST | |
I dunno why you guys are so into animal cruelty these days. Give the damn puppy a sweater or turn down the damn air conditioning.....
jeez.... |
311. Author: DrafterX | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 3:57PM EST | |
turning down the a/c makes it colder.... |
312. Author: victor809 | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 3:59PM EST | |
DrafterX wrote:turning down the a/c makes it colder.... I always hated phrases referring to reduction in heat. I've never felt it was correct. Turning up or down the power of a system designed to reduce temperature leads to a lot of inaccuracies in speech. I intended to refer to the power of the AC, not the setting of the AC. Under those terms, reducing the AC power would allow the heat to increase. but I'm fine with saying "increase the thermostat setting" if that makes you feel better. |
313. Author: izonfire | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:02PM EST | |
DrafterX wrote:turning down the a/c makes it colder.... Just be sure to shave it so you don't get hair in you teeth... |
314. Author: MACS | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:02PM EST | |
Tomato - tomahto... |
315. Author: izonfire | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:04PM EST | |
victor809 wrote:I always hated phrases referring to reduction in heat. I've never felt it was correct.
Turning up or down the power of a system designed to reduce temperature leads to a lot of inaccuracies in speech.
I intended to refer to the power of the AC, not the setting of the AC. Under those terms, reducing the AC power would allow the heat to increase.
but I'm fine with saying "increase the thermostat setting" if that makes you feel better. Your comments about your idiosyncrasies are extremely interesting... |
316. Author: DrafterX | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:05PM EST | |
victor809 wrote:I always hated phrases referring to reduction in heat. I've never felt it was correct.
Turning up or down the power of a system designed to reduce temperature leads to a lot of inaccuracies in speech.
I intended to refer to the power of the AC, not the setting of the AC. Under those terms, reducing the AC power would allow the heat to increase.
but I'm fine with saying "increase the thermostat setting" if that makes you feel better. or you could just say turning up the a/c.. |
317. Author: izonfire | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:08PM EST | |
DrafterX wrote:or you could just say turning up the a/c.. I'm not tired of this subject at all... |
318. Author: victor809 | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:10PM EST | |
izonfire wrote:I'm not tired of this subject at all... Oh good.... We should delve into the thermodynamics of it then. Because when we talk about A/C we're not talking about adding cold, but removing heat. The use of a heat pump and circulating air allows us to reduce the temperature in a space. Now... before we go too far into Air Conditioning, we need to talk about the design of the modern living structure.... |
319. Author: Sunoverbeach | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:10PM EST | |
Set the thermostat at xx.
Inaccuracies negated |
320. Author: DrafterX | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:12PM EST | |
you are correct... cooling is actually removing heat.... but when we do that we are conditioning the air to our preference and comfort... that means either turning the thermostat up or down.... |
321. Author: izonfire | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:13PM EST | |
victor809 wrote:Oh good....
We should delve into the thermodynamics of it then. Because when we talk about A/C we're not talking about adding cold, but removing heat. The use of a heat pump and circulating air allows us to reduce the temperature in a space.
Now... before we go too far into Air Conditioning, we need to talk about the design of the modern living structure.... Actually, the net effect of the air conditioning system is the addition of heat... |
322. Author: MACS | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:13PM EST | |
They really need to open the damn gyms. |
323. Author: DrafterX | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:16PM EST | |
freon removes heat... when it goes thru the compressor in the condensing unit heat is removed from the freon and the freon is sent back into the structure to absorb more heat.... |
324. Author: izonfire | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:16PM EST | |
Waiting on a response from Vic. This is riveting... |
325. Author: victor809 | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:18PM EST | |
izonfire wrote:Actually, the net effect of the air conditioning system is the addition of heat... Do you mean that the total process is exothermic? I believe that is correct. But the increased heat is localized away from the circulating air. |
326. Author: victor809 | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:18PM EST | |
izonfire wrote:Waiting on a response from Vic. This is riveting... I mean, we could be talking about chilly dogs instead.... |
327. Author: izonfire | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:19PM EST | |
DrafterX wrote:freon removes heat... when it goes thru the compressor in the condensing unit heat is removed from the freon and is sent back into the structure to absorb more heat.... The energy required by the compressor is enormous, generating vast amounts of heat. Which more than negates the reduction of heat inside of the house... |
328. Author: izonfire | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:20PM EST | |
Your turn Vic... |
329. Author: victor809 | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:21PM EST | |
izonfire wrote:The energy required by the compressor is enormous, generating vast amounts of heat. Which more than negates the reduction of heat in the inside of the house... I mean.... what you're talking about is that the total system is not "reducing heat" overall. It's just moving it. And the process of moving it requires energy, and also creates heat as a byproduct. |
330. Author: DrafterX | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:21PM EST | |
the heat you feel coming out of the condensing unit used to be in da house.... that's how you know it's working... |
331. Author: victor809 | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:22PM EST | |
The total process is not endothermic.
Although it does have localized endothermic reactions. |
332. Author: izonfire | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:26PM EST | |
victor809 wrote:The total process is not endothermic.
Although it does have localized endothermic reactions. When the freon is released from the condenser and then allowed to expand, that process is endothermic... |
333. Author: Sunoverbeach | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:30PM EST | |
victor809 wrote:I mean, we could be talking about chilly dogs instead.... Well the dogs can't get too chilly until we figure out whether we're turning the A/C up or down |
334. Author: izonfire | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:30PM EST | |
Vic. Come back. This is great... |
335. Author: rfenst | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:33PM EST | |
izonfire wrote:When the freon is released from the condenser and then allowed to expand, that process is endothermic... You tell them !!! |
336. Author: izonfire | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:35PM EST | |
rfenst wrote:You tell them !!! Thanks for the support rfenst... |
337. Author: izonfire | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:36PM EST | |
I could run this straight to the next 500... |
338. Author: victor809 | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:36PM EST | |
izonfire wrote:When the freon is released from the condenser and then allowed to expand, that process is endothermic... That's precisely what I meant by localized endothermic reactions. |
339. Author: DrafterX | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:37PM EST | |
Also, the cooling of the freon is done by the circulation, which the compressor does, thru the coils on your condensing unit... that's why it's so important to keep your unit clean... |
340. Author: izonfire | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:42PM EST | |
victor809 wrote:That's precisely what I meant by localized endothermic reactions. But the entire process as a whole is exothermic. Precisely what I meant by my earlier statement - "Actually, the net effect of the air conditioning system is the addition of heat"... |
341. Author: izonfire | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:44PM EST | |
This is fun... |
342. Author: victor809 | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:44PM EST | |
izonfire wrote:But the entire process as a whole is exothermic. Precisely what I meant by my earlier statement - "Actually, the net effect of the air conditioning system is the addition of heat"... So we're in agreement. Excellent. Now let's get into building materials, and how they evolved from early stone structures, to our modern double-layer insulated homes we have now, as well as how these structures impacted the development of A/C units. |
343. Author: rfenst | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:44PM EST | |
This is one of CBID's most inane disputes. but I'll wade in with the following:
We run our a/c in the summer at 72 during the day and 68 at night. Sometimes, during the day I set it down to 71, which turns up the a/c unit when it kicks in. So take that futher muckers!
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344. Author: izonfire | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:45PM EST | |
Nuthin' better than a clean unit... |
345. Author: izonfire | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:47PM EST | |
rfenst wrote:This is one of CBID's most inane disputes. but I'll wade in with the following:
We run our a/c in the summer at 72 during the day and 68 at night. Sometimes, during the day I set it down to 71, which turns up the a/c unit when it kicks in. So take that futher muckers!
Uh-oh. I think Vic is gonna lose his schitt... |
346. Author: Sunoverbeach | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:49PM EST | |
If you're talking total system overall you have to take into account increased power demand and resultant generation. Good majority of the grid is still steam driven turbines so definite heat release to atmosphere |
347. Author: DrafterX | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:49PM EST | |
It turns the a/c unit on... not up... |
348. Author: victor809 | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:51PM EST | |
izonfire wrote:Uh-oh. I think Vic is gonna lose his schitt... TRIGGERED!!!! |
349. Author: izonfire | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:52PM EST | |
victor809 wrote:So we're in agreement. No, I corrected you, and now you agree... victor809 wrote:We should delve into the thermodynamics of it then. Because when we talk about A/C we're not talking about adding cold, but removing heat. The use of a heat pump and circulating air allows us to reduce the temperature in a space.
Now... before we go too far into Air Conditioning, we need to talk about the design of the modern living structure.... ____ victor809 wrote:Now let's get into building materials, and how they evolved from early stone structures, to our modern double-layer insulated homes we have now, as well as how these structures impacted the development of A/C units. That's for the next 500. I'm still running with the A/C. Riveting still... |
350. Author: victor809 | Date: Tue, 6/2/2020, 4:52PM EST | |
DrafterX wrote:It turns the a/c unit on... not up... That's actually a fair point in this silliness.... (why is it that drafter only makes salient points when the topic itself is ridiculous?) The A/C unit itself doesn't have a temperature setting it cools to, just an on/off cycle which can vary the amount of on-time vs off-time |