wheelrite
15 years ago

Fuzz

The inheritance/death tax is extremely hard on those that are simply landowners.......ranchers and farmers especially.Small ranches and farms of approx 5000 acres easily reach that threshold.....yet actual income from properties this size may be in the low 6 figures.Usually that is split among family members who provide the labor.How are they supposed to come up with the cash????????this exactly whats going on now.....Family farms and ranches are being didvided at an alarming rate due to this tax.Tell me how it's fair to anyone for this to happen.Some of this property has been held by the same families for over 100 years.Explain to me Fuzz why in America this is going on.


I'm really glad your family is so fortunate.I think you should donate all of it to the needy.Your life is too easy......you owe the poor.


Ron

Whistlebritches wrote:



Fuzz lives in a Public Housing Project in New Jersey.So he detests the laned Gentry...
borndead1
15 years ago



Like tax cuts for the wealthy, -- A progressive income tax is a key element of socialism

repealing health care -- Socialized medicine is a key element of socialism

and no 'death taxes' etc. -- State confiscation of wealth is a key element of socialism

But they have been convinced it is the 'moral' and 'patriotic' thing to do because it's labeled as socialist or worse communist. -- That's because it IS socialist.

FuzzNJ wrote:



Fuzz, have you ever really stopped to think about how the left manipulates people? Come on, man. The left has convinced you that you need government to take care of you, protect you from "the wealthy", educate your children, regulate use of "private" property, regulate what you eat, and a whole slew of other things championed by the left.

The left constantly accuse the right of racism, yet they advocate racial quotas and enact "hate crime" laws, both of which meet the definition of racism (any exception, exclusion, recognition, or assumption based on race).

The left claim to "fight for the little guy", but create legislation/regulations that only huge corporations can afford to comply with. Just look at the Los Angeles County "bacon dog" ban, or better yet, the food safety and modernization act that the democrats recently pushed through. This insidious piece of legislation is affectionately referred to as "the Monsanto bill". Ever do any research on Monsanto? They're a huge, greedy, evil corporation.

One of Obama's biggest campaign donors was Goldman Sachs. Do you know where Tim Geitner worked before he became Secretary of the Treasury? OMG! GOLDMAN SACHS. Remember Goldman Sachs? 12.9 billion in bailout money?

And don't even get me started on PETA. Here you go: www.petakillsanimals.com

Wake up, Fuzz. YOU HAVE BEEN MANIPULATED. You have been conned. You are a brainwashed goon. You are the mirror image of that which you rage against.
FuzzNJ
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15 years ago

Fuzz, have you ever really stopped to think about how the left manipulates people? Come on, man. The left has convinced you that you need government to take care of you, protect you from "the wealthy", educate your children, regulate use of "private" property, regulate what you eat, and a whole slew of other things championed by the left.

The left constantly accuse the right of racism, yet they advocate racial quotas and enact "hate crime" laws, both of which meet the definition of racism (any exception, exclusion, recognition, or assumption based on race).

The left claim to "fight for the little guy", but create legislation/regulations that only huge corporations can afford to comply with. Just look at the Los Angeles County "bacon dog" ban, or better yet, the food safety and modernization act that the democrats recently pushed through. This insidious piece of legislation is affectionately referred to as "the Monsanto bill". Ever do any research on Monsanto? They're a huge, greedy, evil corporation.

One of Obama's biggest campaign donors was Goldman Sachs. Do you know where Tim Geitner worked before he became Secretary of the Treasury? OMG! GOLDMAN SACHS. Remember Goldman Sachs? 12.9 billion in bailout money?

And don't even get me started on PETA. Here you go: www.petakillsanimals.com

Wake up, Fuzz. YOU HAVE BEEN MANIPULATED. You have been conned. You are a brainwashed goon. You are the mirror image of that which you rage against.

borndead1 wrote:



Well, if I have been brainwashed, at least I can make my points calmly and rationally without insults. I'm not part of a mob that verbally attacks someone who disagrees with me and tells them they don't belong, calls them goon, f*g, etc.

My 'brainwashing' causes me to advocate for positions that help the overwhelming majority of Americans.

Democrats have sold out to corporations as well, there is no doubt about that. I do know about Monsanto and their seeds etc. They are pretty damn evil, glad you agree.

And just because some group like PETA is left, it doesn't mean I or most others who think like me agree with them, but I'm sure you knew that. pssst not all black people know each other either.
DadZilla3
15 years ago
DadZilla3 wrote:

Hey, it's a very effective tactic. That kind of media saturation by the liberals and their media apologists got a nickle-dime slick-talking community organizer elected president about two years ago.



That's a bit weak from one who thought "W" was competent . . .

Brewha wrote:



Yeah, the George Soros Marxist puppet who thinks that there are 57 states in the Union is a much better choice.

(Hint: there are currently only 50 states in the Union)
Ragin' Cajun
15 years ago

Ragin' Cajun

NOTHING PERSONAL. I DON'T GET INVOLVED WITH POLITICAL ISSUES, BUT I SUSPECT 37% of your data is 43% inconclusive.

RICKAMAVEN wrote:



Care to elaborate?
borndead1
15 years ago

My 'brainwashing' causes me to advocate for positions that help the overwhelming majority of Americans.

FuzzNJ wrote:




But therein lies the con, Fuzz. Most legislation does not help the "overwhelming majority" of Americans. Funny you should use that phrase. It's straight out of the democrats' recent anti-tax cut speeches. Kinda like when all the right wingers on here started calling them "the democrat party" instead of "the democratic party" right after Bush started saying it.

If you dig deep enough, you will find corporate interests behind an overwhelming majority of legislation, whether pushed through by the "right" or the "left". The propaganda machine of the left has convinced you that they work "for the people" and "against big business and corporate interests" when nothing could be further from the truth. Just like the propaganda of the right has convinced many of our BOTL on here that the republican party is "the party of small government" when nothing could be further from the truth. The republican party is only the party of small government when it comes to letting corporations do whatever the hell they want. When it comes to issues of personal liberty and privacy, they are the party of all-powerful moral authority government.

Here's how the genius of "the left" works: They convince you that they are "for the little guy", "making the rich pay their fair share", "holding big business accountable", "creating a safety net", "helping small businesses", "for the children", "against the war", etc. etc. But behind the scenes, it is these same huge megacorporations who mold, influence, and sometimes even write the regulations that the democrats push. Let's take the old "tax cuts for the rich" mantra, for instance. Democrats wanted income taxes to return to the old level for anyone making over 250K per year, right? Do you consider 250K per year to be "wealthy"? I don't, but anyway, people who make 250K per year are lumped in with those making 250 million per year. Here's the deal: one of the main ways that the uber-mega-super wealthy stay wealthy is by keeping other people from becoming wealthy. Now let's say, for the sake of argument, that Lord Richington Diamondworthy III pays his full tax burden on his 250 million per year income (I argue that most super wealthy people do NOT pay their full tax; they find ways to weasel out of it - more on that later). So he pays 39% of 250 million. He's left with a measly 152 million. Boo f**king hoo, right? Now say a husband and wife together make 250K and pay 39%. They are left with 152K. That's a big hit. But to Lord Richington Diamondworthy III, he doesn't even feel it because he already has more money than he could ever spend. He could use $1,000 bills for toilet paper and never run out of money. So the democrats have most folks convinced that "the rich will pay their fair share", and Lord Diamondworthy is sitting back, smoking a Gurkha His Majesty's Reserve, twirling his evil moustache and laughing. The democrats help the wealthy and powerful stay wealthy and powerful by keeping other people from becoming rich. And they help huge megacorporations by enacting regulations that only megacorporations can afford to comply with. And they handed big pharma endless taxpayer-funded profits with the health care bill. It's no coincidence that Obama got more campaign contributions from big pharma than McCain did.

Ask yourself: Why would huge corporations like BP, JP Morgan Chase, Exxon Mobil, Goldman Sachs, Lockheed Martin, etc. donate millions upon millions of dollars to democrats who state outright that they will raise their taxes and put stricter regulations on them? Why is Harry Reid the biggest recipient of campaign donations from AT&T, Goldman Sachs, Time Warner, and Morgan Stanley? Why is Charles Shumer the biggest recipient of campaign donations from Lockheed Martin and Citigroup? Because with the help of "the left", they are slowly gaining monopolies on their respective industries, or in the case of Goldman Sachs and the like, they got...well...I'm sure you remember.

RICKAMAVEN
15 years ago
Ragin' Cajun

not really. as i have said repeatedly, i avoid any political discussions 64% of the time
Ragin' Cajun
15 years ago

Ragin' Cajun

not really. as i have said repeatedly, i avoid any political discussions 64% of the time

RICKAMAVEN wrote:



Ooooooook Rick. I reviewed a few of your posts. I agree, you avoid political discussions. You only post inflammatory remarks and run. If you decide to have a grown-up discussion about the specifics of this law, let me know.
FuzzNJ
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15 years ago

But therein lies the con, Fuzz. Most legislation does not help the "overwhelming majority" of Americans. Funny you should use that phrase. It's straight out of the democrats' recent anti-tax cut speeches. Kinda like when all the right wingers on here started calling them "the democrat party" instead of "the democratic party" right after Bush started saying it.

If you dig deep enough, you will find corporate interests behind an overwhelming majority of legislation, whether pushed through by the "right" or the "left". The propaganda machine of the left has convinced you that they work "for the people" and "against big business and corporate interests" when nothing could be further from the truth. Just like the propaganda of the right has convinced many of our BOTL on here that the republican party is "the party of small government" when nothing could be further from the truth. The republican party is only the party of small government when it comes to letting corporations do whatever the hell they want. When it comes to issues of personal liberty and privacy, they are the party of all-powerful moral authority government.

Here's how the genius of "the left" works: They convince you that they are "for the little guy", "making the rich pay their fair share", "holding big business accountable", "creating a safety net", "helping small businesses", "for the children", "against the war", etc. etc. But behind the scenes, it is these same huge megacorporations who mold, influence, and sometimes even write the regulations that the democrats push. Let's take the old "tax cuts for the rich" mantra, for instance. Democrats wanted income taxes to return to the old level for anyone making over 250K per year, right? Do you consider 250K per year to be "wealthy"? I don't, but anyway, people who make 250K per year are lumped in with those making 250 million per year. Here's the deal: one of the main ways that the uber-mega-super wealthy stay wealthy is by keeping other people from becoming wealthy. Now let's say, for the sake of argument, that Lord Richington Diamondworthy III pays his full tax burden on his 250 million per year income (I argue that most super wealthy people do NOT pay their full tax; they find ways to weasel out of it - more on that later). So he pays 39% of 250 million. He's left with a measly 152 million. Boo f**king hoo, right? Now say a husband and wife together make 250K and pay 39%. They are left with 152K. That's a big hit. But to Lord Richington Diamondworthy III, he doesn't even feel it because he already has more money than he could ever spend. He could use $1,000 bills for toilet paper and never run out of money. So the democrats have most folks convinced that "the rich will pay their fair share", and Lord Diamondworthy is sitting back, smoking a Gurkha His Majesty's Reserve, twirling his evil moustache and laughing. The democrats help the wealthy and powerful stay wealthy and powerful by keeping other people from becoming rich. And they help huge megacorporations by enacting regulations that only megacorporations can afford to comply with. And they handed big pharma endless taxpayer-funded profits with the health care bill. It's no coincidence that Obama got more campaign contributions from big pharma than McCain did.

Ask yourself: Why would huge corporations like BP, JP Morgan Chase, Exxon Mobil, Goldman Sachs, Lockheed Martin, etc. donate millions upon millions of dollars to democrats who state outright that they will raise their taxes and put stricter regulations on them? Why is Harry Reid the biggest recipient of campaign donations from AT&T, Goldman Sachs, Time Warner, and Morgan Stanley? Why is Charles Shumer the biggest recipient of campaign donations from Lockheed Martin and Citigroup? Because with the help of "the left", they are slowly gaining monopolies on their respective industries, or in the case of Goldman Sachs and the like, they got...well...I'm sure you remember.

borndead1 wrote:



I agree with you. The Democrats are barely better than the Republicans when it comes to dealing with corporate power. I'm glad you are concerned about it, you are talking like a liberal. It's why Obama is not a marxist, he's too far to the right to be one, hell he's too far to the right to be an actual liberal. I've said before, I don't support parties or people, I support policies. Unfortunately there is only one major party that's close, I wish it was closer, to my principles.

As far as the 250k and the tax issue is concerned, it is a difference of 3% that was being discussed and it was going to go back to the level it was under Clinton. The economy seemed to be doing fine then compared to the last 5 years. It would have been better had the economy created more permanent jobs under Clinton, but it did create jobs. There was much given to big business then as well. Of course your numbers are not correct as there are still ways to deduct for those in the highest income bracket as there are for everyone, but I get the point.

I'm surprised to read your posts ion this thread to be honest. You really are talking like a liberal, not a party person and thinking about the issues, rather than just going into defense mode, well, except for the goon comment.

This conversation has strayed from the original post, as they usually do, but good stuff.
borndead1
15 years ago
My broader point was to highlight the fallacy of the "left/right" paradigm. I see no difference between the 2 major parties when I follow the money.

You're right. Obama is not a Marxist. He is a puppet of global totalitarianism, just like Bush was before him.

The reason the economy was better under Clinton is because the effects of NAFTA hadn't really started to manifest.



For the record, I'm a socially liberal, fiscally conservative Libertarian.
FuzzNJ
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15 years ago

My broader point was to highlight the fallacy of the "left/right" paradigm. I see no difference between the 2 major parties when I follow the money.

You're right. Obama is not a Marxist. He is a puppet of global totalitarianism, just like Bush was before him.

The reason the economy was better under Clinton is because the effects of NAFTA hadn't really started to manifest.



For the record, I'm a socially liberal, fiscally conservative Libertarian.

borndead1 wrote:



I do see a difference, but it's not all that great a difference, which sucks.

What I see as important is to advocate for positions, not party or people.

Your self defined political position reminded me of a site that has a fairly decent questionnaire that positions your political beliefs on a scale, not just a two dimensional scale either. I'll have to find it and post it.
FuzzNJ
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15 years ago
And Bill Hicks said it best.

I think the puppet on the right has my best interest in mind.

No, I think the puppet on the left is thinking about me and my family.

Wait a damn minute, there's one guy holding both puppets!
donutboy2000
15 years ago
Game QB ratings

Rodgers 136.8

Ryan 69.0
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago
Borndead...to quote Bill Murray from "Stripes"..."I Gotta Party With You!"

Your posts on this thread are sheer genius.
HockeyDad
15 years ago

My broader point was to highlight the fallacy of the "left/right" paradigm. I see no difference between the 2 major parties when I follow the money.

You're right. Obama is not a Marxist. He is a puppet of global totalitarianism, just like Bush was before him.

The reason the economy was better under Clinton is because the effects of NAFTA hadn't really started to manifest.

borndead1 wrote:





I love the smell of global totalitarianism in the morning. It's the smell of victory.
RICKAMAVEN
15 years ago
Ragin' Cajun

not true in both respects. i am not used to
anyone asking real questions, i am more used to
stupid remarks, your coffee pot is dirty, you made
a poopie, get more meds, get less meds.

i would be happy to start a new thread with you,
but i will need to overlook your preconceived
notion, starting with "You only post inflammatory
remarks and run.

how do i respond to the above remarks when i
post a serious political opinion or a copy and
paste written by someone else who i agree with.

i will post a ping for you. understand i am a
progressive and in some instances a
conservative, but this board is not a serious place
so i do look to arouse the folks with little to say
except rick made a poopie.

cu on the flip side.

rick
HockeyDad
15 years ago

Ragin' Cajun

this board is not a serious place
rick

RICKAMAVEN wrote:





The is a cigar board. We take cigars very seriously. For example, the Tatuaje Fleur le Fleur.
Ragin' Cajun
15 years ago
Rick, believe me I understand. I quickly tired of political discussion boards as they stopped being about honest discussion and became more about insults. Sadly, too many people have fallen prey to their respective party rhetoric and believe the opposing side is subhuman because they disagree. I intentionally avoided mentioning politics when I brought up a few points relating to the healthcare legislation as I wanted to avoid the typical backlash. I think many people would find there is no easy answer to most of our current political issues, and if all were open-minded enough to see past party rhetoric, there is much more agreement or acceptable compromise within reach.
jackconrad
15 years ago
What kind of inferior thinking reasons that we should tax Hard earned success or An inheritance that someone worked decades to make for his children or Grandchildren?

Talk about Counter Productive !

HockeyDad
15 years ago
They're dead. They can't fight back or protest. There really is no better target to tax except maybe smokers.
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