Again, on the surface it 'appears' premiums could be lowered, but the reality is they will increase. The 40% 'cadillac' penalty will be imposed on approximately 60% of ALL current plans if the threshholds for imposing it are not changed.

Also, to date, over 200 companies have been granted exemptions from following the new guidelines. Instead of major corporations sharing in the burden of the increased rates for implementing the exchanges, it will fall completely on small businesses who will not be able to shoulder the rather large rate increases.

Ragin' Cajun wrote:

it's called "Incremental Change"

don't you listen to Glen Beck ?


btw,
Profit is not illegal like weed...

wheelrite wrote:

Again, on the surface it 'appears' premiums could be lowered, but the reality is they will increase. The 40% 'cadillac' penalty will be imposed on approximately 60% of ALL current plans if the threshholds for imposing it are not changed.

Also, to date, over 200 companies have been granted exemptions from following the new guidelines. Instead of major corporations sharing in the burden of the increased rates for implementing the exchanges, it will fall completely on small businesses who will not be able to shoulder the rather large rate increases.

Ragin' Cajun wrote:

Another thing to keep in mind, legislation is not gospel. It can be changed if the situation warrants to make it work more effectively.

FuzzNJ wrote:

It is time to negotiate the terms of FuzzNJ's surrender on this thread.

HockeyDad wrote:

It was the beginning of the progressive era, "The income tax had just come in, in 1913. So, the public was very interested in progressive taxation and the estate tax was a natural piece of that kind of system."


Significant opposition first appeared in the 1920s when Andrew Mellon of Gulf Oil tried to repeal the estate tax during his stint as secretary of the Treasury during the Coolidge administration. Then, in the 1940s, Graetz says that opponents started labeling it the "death tax" in a bid to gain wider support for the repeal movement.

wheelrite wrote:

It is time to negotiate the terms of FuzzNJ's surrender on this thread.

HockeyDad wrote:

The plan calls for these new 'elites' to go on tv and radio to push the ideas relentlessly to make the 'masses' follow and do the more violent and dirty work the 'elites' wouldn't do.

FuzzNJ wrote:

Hey, it's a very effective tactic. That kind of media saturation by the liberals and their media apologists got a nickle-dime slick-talking community organizer elected president about two years ago.

DadZilla3 wrote:

That's a bit weak from one who thought "W" was competent . . .

Brewha wrote:

Obama makes "W" look like George Washington...

wheelrite wrote:

Obama is our greatest living President.

Brewha wrote:

First it was renamed 'death tax' to make it sound evil by Frank Luntz. Second it only applies to estates worth more than 5 million. That excludes the overwhelming majority of estates. When the time comes, my family is fortunate enough to have to pay it should it stay at that level.

Secondly, people can't pay taxes if they have no money. The top 1% of people in the country hold more wealth now than they ever have. The middle class hardly exists anymore. It's not because of the lack of hard work, it's because of public policy..

FuzzNJ wrote:

about this job killing unconstitutional, over priced and guaranteed to destroy our economy, if people have preexisting conditions. too bad. they should have gotten insurance before their conditions.

and no insurance comp[any should be required to keep insurance when one of their customers gets sick or breaks a leg. the most they should be forced to pay is the amount of premium the customer paid or the cost of a no frills funeral, which ever is less,

they are not in business for the fun of it. they are not some non profit
organization, like churches.

RICKAMAVEN wrote: