DrafterX
13 years ago

Yeah...that's NOT Presidential!

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:-k
should he have put the cop's name on a list..?? 😕
gringococolo
13 years ago

Wow, i got that wrong. Just to be clear, I own, shoot and endorse SYG, but know that its purpose is in protecting the gun owners rights and safety. Also know that you can cross the line and fall outside its protection. Hopefully George didnt.

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Thanks Robert for posting the transcript. I wasn't going to waste my time because I don't even believe DWD's B.S. statement about his "right wing" friends.

I made a joke because I know he is just trying to get some steet cred with his claims. Lmao....

drywalldog
13 years ago
Gringo, I need to look to you boys in here for street cred, what is that anyway? Guess you must have a bunch. I was at a shooting range when the topic came up. Im sure it was full of libs, right. I admitted I was wrong, more than most here would ever do.
DrMaddVibe
13 years ago

Gringo, I need to look to you boys in here for street cred, what is that anyway? Guess you must have a bunch. I was at a shooting range when the topic came up. Im sure it was full of libs, right. I admitted I was wrong, more than most here would ever do.

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Just because you were hanging drywall at an indoor shooting range...doesn't give you membership or friends there!


KNOW YOUR ROLE...SHUT YOUR HOLE!
Papachristou
13 years ago

That's the one Papa...he has to make racial statements....less you forget the guilt you're supposed to carry! Where the Kenyan King crapped the bed was the entire "Beer Summit"...injecting the most powerful man on the planet with some little police investigation was a real stretch.

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yeah, i didnt really understand that either. If the professor should have been mad at anyone it was his neighbor who called the cops. a cop just cant take your "word" that you are the legal resident when a neighbor reports a burglary. Just show him your d@mn drivers license so he can get to the next call. It isnt that hard.

I am a white guy and wear a suit to work everyday. When i get pulled over, i roll down all my windows, turn on the interior lights if it is night, take my keys out of the ignition and sit with my hands on the wheel. I respond to the officer's questions politely and respectfully even if i disagree with his assessment. Lastly, i ask permission to do anything like get my wallet or registration. It isnt about being white, black, hispanic, asian or alien. People of all colors commit crimes and bullets dont discriminate when they are fired.
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13 years ago

George Zimmerman's lawyer: George is nearly broke, wants public to pay his legal costs


7:12 p.m. EST, August 13, 2012|
By Rene Stutzman and Jeff Weiner, Orlando Sentinel



Murder suspect George Zimmerman, whose plight prompted thousands of well-wishers to donate a flood of money — more than a collective $250,000 — is nearly broke, his lawyer said Monday, and plans to ask the public to pay for his defense.

"He really has to live as a hermit, unfortunately," said Mark O'Mara. "He's not doing well. He's getting by."

His legal-defense fund, which once hovered around $210,000, now has a balance of $50,000, O'Mara said Monday, with about $20,000 in outstanding bills.

Zimmerman and his wife, Shellie, are out of work, living in hiding in Seminole County, and spending a great deal of money on security because they fear for their lives, O'Mara said.

"Seminole County is unquestionably the most dangerous county, most expensive county for him to be in," O'Mara said.

He intends to ask the court to declare Zimmerman indigent, an official finding that the 28-year-old Sanford man is broke and needs the public to pay his legal expenses.

Zimmerman also will ask a judge to let him move out of the county, O'Mara said Monday.

"I want him safe. If he's out of state, so be it," O'Mara said.

The request to be declared indigent will be an awkward one, coming from Zimmerman and O'Mara.

In April, they had the same plan. Zimmerman was raking in donations at a rate of $1,000 a day via a website he and his family had set up — although O'Mara didn't know it, he insists.

In a single day, he collected $64,000, according to court records.

Also back then, Zimmerman, from his cell at the Seminole County Jail, was directing his wife to move the money from one account to another, generally in $9,990 chunks.

Zimmerman, a Neighborhood Watch volunteer, is charged with second-degree murder for killing Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black 17-year-old, on a Sanford sidewalk Feb. 26.

Zimmerman says he acted in self-defense, that the Miami Gardens teenager punched him and broke his nose, then got on top of him.

But prosecutors allege that Zimmerman is guilty of racial profiling — that he spotted a black teenager in his neighborhood, suspected he was about to commit a crime, began following him, then murdered him.

O'Mara held a wide-ranging news conference Monday in the front yard of his Orlando law office.

He opened by announcing that earlier in the day, he had filed an appeal challenging a decision by Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. to stay on the case.

O'Mara wants him out, saying that Zimmerman does not believe he can get a fair trial because in a July 5 bond order, the judge called the defendant a manipulator, saying he helped hide $130,000 from the court during an earlier bond hearing.

But Lester has refused to remove himself from the case. On Monday, O'Mara said he could not let that decision go unchallenged.

The move could delay the case indefinitely.

O'Mara acknowledged Monday that a lack of money has become a problem.

Although the legal-defense fund has raised more than $250,000, those gifts have slowed, he said, and last month's hour-long interview with Sean Hannity on Fox News failed to pump up donations.

"How much have I been paid?" O'Mara said. "Zero."

O'Mara has vowed to represent Zimmerman for free, if need be. An indigency ruling would require the state to pay all other legal expenses — for example, the cost of a private investigator, experts and transcripts.

O'Mara predicted he'd be ready for a "stand your ground" hearing in the case in four to five months.

During that hearing, Zimmerman would try to persuade the judge to throw out the murder charge. To do that, he must show that he killed Trayvon because the teenager attacked him, giving him a well-grounded fear of imminent death or great bodily injury.

"Stand your ground," O'Mara said Monday, is a misnomer because it implies that Zimmerman had the ability to retreat.

He was on his back, had screamed for help for at least 40 seconds and pulled the trigger only after Trayvon pounded his head repeatedly on the ground, O'Mara said.

"He doesn't have an opportunity to retreat if he's on his back," O'Mara said.
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13 years ago

George Zimmerman's lawyer: Judge must go because of 'gratuitous, disparaging remarks'


4:10 p.m. EST, August 14, 2012|
By Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel


In court paperwork made public Tuesday, George Zimmerman's lawyer accused Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. of making "gratuitous, disparaging remarks" about the defendant and encouraging prosecutors to file more charges against him.

Defense attorney Mark O'Mara on Monday asked the Fifth District Court of Appeal to throw the judge off the case. O'Mara's 28-page pleading, which the court made public Tuesday, accused Lester of being unfair to his client in a July 5 ruling that set Zimmerman's bond at $1 million.

The ruling ignored a "tidal wave" of evidence that Zimmerman acted in self-defense, O'Mara wrote. That's key, he contends, because Zimmerman is likely to be exonerated, so his bond should be low.

O'Mara also alleges that Lester insulted his client, calling him a manipulator and stopping just short of calling him a liar, things that have convinced Zimmerman the judge now won't believe a word he says.

"In his order, the court made gratuitous, disparaging remarks about Mr. Zimmerman's character; advocated for Mr. Zimmerman to be prosecuted for additional crimes; offered a personal opinion about the evidence for the prosecution; (and) continued to hold over Mr. Zimmerman's head the threat of future contempt proceedings," O'Mara wrote.

The judge's comments were "harsh and unnecessary," O'Mara wrote, and what Lester had to say about possible contempt charges "creates a horrible chilling effect on this case."

It also signals that Lester has stopped being a "neutral arbiter" and is now a "quasi participant" in the case, O'Mara wrote.

Zimmerman, of Sanford, is charged with second-degree murder. He shot Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black 17-year-old from Miami Gardens, Feb. 26 on a Sanford sidewalk. Zimmerman says he acted in self-defense, that the teenager attacked him and began banging his head on the pavement.

Prosecutors alleges that he profiled Trayvon, assumed he was about to commit a crime, began following him then murdered him.

Zimmerman, 28 of Sanford, is living in hiding in Seminole County. He is free on that $1 million bail and his whereabouts are being tracked by satellite.

The case has been assigned to a three-judge appellate panel. Two are former Orlando judges - Alan Lawson and Jay Cohen. Kerry Evander is a former long-time Brevard County judge.

It's not clear when they will make a decision. It could be soon or it could take months.

They signaled that they may move quickly by on Tuesday ordering prosecutors to file paperwork in the next 10 days, offering their opinion on whether Lester should be removed.

Special Prosecutor Angela Corey's team earlier filed paperwork with Lester, describing Zimmerman's request as "absurd".

O'Mara first asked Lester to step aside July 13. Lester said no in a two-page ruling Aug. 12 that gave no reasons, something required by law, except that the pleading was legally insufficient
Stinkdyr
13 years ago
wow, this thread is over 800 posts long.

Trayvon has left a legacy after all.


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drywalldog
13 years ago
Dr. has that line ever worked for you, maybe with Wheel, no wait he's taller than you too. Dont have a membership, just pay the fee.
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13 years ago
IN THE DISTRICT COURT OF APPEAL OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA
FIFTH DISTRICT JULY TERM 2012


GEORGE ZIMMERMAN,
Petitioner,

v. Case No. 5D12-3198

STATE OF FLORIDA,
Respondent.
________________________________/
Opinion filed August 29, 2012
Petition for Writ of Prohibition
Kenneth R. Lester, Jr., Respondent Judge.
Mark M. O'Mara, of O'Mara Law Group,
Orlando, and Donald R. West, of Don
West Law Group, P.A., Orlando for
Petitioner.
Pamela J. Bondi, Attorney General,
Tallahassee and Pamela J. Koller,
Assistant Attorney General, Daytona
Beach, for Respondent.

PER CURIAM

George Zimmerman petitions for issuance of a writ of prohibition. This is the
proper mechanism for challenging the denial of a motion to disqualify a trial judge. See,
e.g., Lusskin v. State, 717 So. 2d 1076, 1077 (Fla. 4th DCA 1998). Reviewing the
matter de novo, see R.M.C. v. D.C., 77 So. 3d 234, 236 (Fla. 1st DCA 2012), we grant
the petition.

Florida Rule of Judicial Administration 2.330 requires a trial judge to grant a
motion to disqualify without determining the accuracy of the allegations in the motion, so
long as the motion is "legally sufficient."
R.M.C., 77 So. 3d at 236. "A motion is legally
sufficient if it alleges facts that would create in a reasonably prudent person a wellfounded
fear of not receiving a fair and impartial trial."
Id. (citing MacKenzie v. Super
Kids Bargain Store, Inc., 565 So. 2d 1332 (Fla. 1990)). Although many of the
allegations in Zimmerman's motion, standing alone, do not meet the legal sufficiency
test,1 and while this is admittedly a close call, upon careful review we find that the
allegations, taken together, meet the threshold test of legal sufficiency.
Accordingly, we
direct the trial judge to enter an order of disqualification which requests the chief circuit
judge to appoint a successor judge.

PETITION GRANTED.

LAWSON and COHEN, JJ., concur.

EVANDER, J., dissents with opinion.
1 For example, it is well-settled that “adverse judicial rulings do not constitute
sufficient grounds to disqualify a judge.” K.H. v. Dep't of Health & Rehabilitative Servs.,
527 So. 2d 230, 232 (Fla. 1st DCA 1988) (citations omitted).




Case No. 5D12-3198

EVANDER, J., dissenting.
I respectfully dissent. As the majority correctly observes, adverse rulings are not,
in and of themselves, sufficient to require the granting of a motion to disqualify.
Although the trial court’s order clearly manifested an exceedingly strong belief by the
trial judge that Zimmerman had “flouted” and “tried to manipulate” the system, I do not
believe the order “crossed the line” so as to require the granting of his motion
HockeyDad
13 years ago
They're still going to hang Pedro.
jojoc
13 years ago
I have not followed the case all that closely, but seems like the right decision.
HockeyDad
13 years ago
Yes, it is the right decision. Pedro needs to be sacrificed.
DrMaddVibe
13 years ago
Court: Zimmerman judge should disqualify himself

ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — A three-judge panel in Florida has ruled that a former neighborhood watch leader charged in the fatal shooting of teenager Trayvon Martin should be granted a new judge in his case.

Florida's Fifth District Court of Appeal ruled Wednesday that Judge Kenneth Lester should enter a motion to disqualify himself in George Zimmerman's second-degree murder case. Zimmerman's attorney Mark O'Mara asked the court earlier this month to overturn a previous ruling by Lester not to leave the case.

One of the three judges dissented in the ruling.

O'Mara had argued that Lester should disqualify himself after he said the judge made disparaging remarks about Zimmerman's character and advocated for additional charges against him in setting his $1 million bond in July.
Zimmerman remains free on bail. He's pleaded not guilty.


http://news.yahoo.com/court-zimmerman-judge-disqualify-himself-215712493.html 



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13 years ago
Z and his wife did irreparable harm.
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13 years ago

I have not followed the case all that closely, but seems like the right decision.

jojoc wrote:



Absolutely the right decision and the trial judge new it to, but this case is very 'political" both in the media and behind the scenes in Chambers.

My bet for next major procedural issue is: Motion to Change Venue. The local well is already poisoned...
DrMaddVibe
13 years ago

Absolutely the right decision and the trial judge new it to, but this case is very 'political" both in the media and behind the scenes in Chambers.

My bet for next major procedural issue is: Motion to Change Venue. The local well is already poisoned...

rfenst wrote:




There never was a reason for it to get "political" as you put it IF they would've all done their due diligence...EVERYONE.

YOU were the one listening to the Al & Jesse Show though. WTF were YOU thinking letting that in YOUR town! Those morons needs to be shown the road. The only thing they're good at is race-baiting. The cops should've rounded them up and sent them on their way. That way the Black Panthers wouldn't have had a stage...the KKK/Nazis wouldn't have shown up and perhaps the facts would've found their way into the media instead of this rush to hang the guy.

Following the Casey case it's apparent why a high profile case doesn't belong in Disney World!
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13 years ago

There never was a reason for it to get "political" as you put it IF they would've all done their due diligence...EVERYONE.

YOU were the one listening to the Al & Jesse Show though. WTF were YOU thinking letting that in YOUR town! Those morons needs to be shown the road. The only thing they're good at is race-baiting. The cops should've rounded them up and sent them on their way. That way the Black Panthers wouldn't have had a stage...the KKK/Nazis wouldn't have shown up and perhaps the facts would've found their way into the media instead of this rush to hang the guy.

Following the Casey case it's apparent why a high profile case doesn't belong in Disney World!

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OK.
Have a nice day. 😇
jojoc
13 years ago

Z and his wife did irreparable harm.

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those early acts of stupidity will likely cause this to hang over his head for the rest of his life. my guess is this will result in a hung jury. the state will try him again and maybe enough time will pass between the events and the second trial that he may stand a chance.
jojoc
13 years ago

Absolutely the right decision and the trial judge new it to, but this case is very 'political" both in the media and behind the scenes in Chambers.

My bet for next major procedural issue is: Motion to Change Venue. The local well is already poisoned...

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what do you think the odds of a change of venue are? Here in Idaho, courts are very reluctant to relocate trials.
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