frankj1
9 years ago

I'll wait for proof... I did with Hillary. .. 😟

DrafterX wrote:


yup
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gummy jones
9 years ago
spent friday night with a close friend who "is an independent" [hes an obvious liberal who borders on a classic democrat but calling himself that provides his psyche with some sort of moral high ground, especially when the libs are extra crazy]

he presented me the "overwhelming" evidence that trump and putin rigged the election

after another few fingers of bourbon he agreed that most of it was hearsay and that the testimonies thus far had provided nothing solid

despite a good cigar and a little more bourbon he maintained that "it still really makes you wonder"

i guess that is why they set up a committee - enough people pounding the table and saying that despite the lack of evidence, it makes you wonder

i am sure russia had their trolls say bad stuff about hilary but then there was no shortage of trolls saying bad stuff about either candidate [the highest profile anti trump trolls are millionaire entertainers on major networks and donate money to the liberal coffers]

if trump actually colluded with russia to throw the election thats a different story

i will maintain innocent until proven guilty when such spectacular, far reaching claims are made without evidence and would hope that everyone would agree that in this country, that is the way it should be
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tailgater
9 years ago

When the enemy of our country acts in a way to disrupt our democratic process, that can be defined as an attack or act of war. If a citizen assists that enemy in this conduct of undermining our democracy, isn't that treason?

Regardless of what Russia intended, it is benefiting from a distracted and sputtering US federal govt. with a sympathetic Commander in Chief in charge...

Regardless of whether any person is charged criminally, shouldn't we know what Russia did so that we can prevent that from happening again?

delta1 wrote:




Regardless of who know what (Trump, his staff, etc), what is it that Russia did?

I hear that so-and-so is "tied to Russia".
Or "had contact with Russians".

Over what?
Economic secrets?
Area 51?
That caviar is friggin fish eggs?

The liberal left is squirming in their seats because people whose job requirement includes dealing with foreign nations may have actually had contact with people from Russia.
I know that there is an implied evil twist here, but I haven't heard what it is.
The implication here is that simply contacting a Russian is somehow treasonous.

When adults debate we usually base the dialog on tangibles and facts or we at the very least provide context to the subject matter.
The media and her hoards of driveling lefties are doing nothing more than shaking trees and hoping the apple that falls out reveals what has to this point been entirely undefined.
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tailgater
9 years ago

everyone but trump gets a mention...absolutely no questions at all.
not expecting cries of "guilty" but was hoping one measly supporter would stand up and say "I would like to know what has been going on. I see enough smoke to warrant some clarity".

lock-stepping kool-aid drinkers, circle the wagons...HA!

frankj1 wrote:



Mmmm.
Kool aid.


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Speyside
9 years ago
Alegedly they tried to influence our presidential election. But you already knew that. Unfortunately it does not fit your agenda.
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frankj1
9 years ago

Mmmm.
Kool aid.


tailgater wrote:


I know!
Shoulda served the hawaian punch stuff from Conan last week.
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frankj1
9 years ago
undisclosed actions employed by by foreign governments as foreign agents.
accepting income derived from foreign entities and failing to disclose...then even after it becomes known still gets appointed (albeit briefly) to a key national security position.

but wait, there's more...and I have still not related any concerns to a rigged election, more worried about policy influence.

and I will repeat, all may be cleared as harmless, but we need to know that the top office has cleared people making policy.

Why is that so threatening?
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DrafterX
9 years ago
He was fired right..?? 😕
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DrafterX
9 years ago
Should we hang him too..?? 😕
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gummy jones
9 years ago

undisclosed actions employed by by foreign governments as foreign agents.
accepting income derived from foreign entities and failing to disclose...then even after it becomes known still gets appointed (albeit briefly) to a key national security position.

but wait, there's more...and I have still not related any concerns to a rigged election, more worried about policy influence.

and I will repeat, all may be cleared as harmless, but we need to know that the top office has cleared people making policy.

Why is that so threatening?

frankj1 wrote:



its not threatening

its just funny that no one cared about the queen of the clinton money laundering foundation potentially being influenced by foreign powers - heck didnt even hear a peep

but now it is 24/7 and the world is ending
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teedubbya
9 years ago
I heard about it..... and cared about it.... and I'm sure it was a pretty good part of her reason for losing.... rightfully so
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teedubbya
9 years ago
Kaisich..... we chose trump over him

"Well, I think, really, about everything that needed to be said has been said tonight about Republicans not hiding, Democrats not exploiting this whole situation, that we need to get to the bottom of it, we get to the bottom of it.

If you take health care, for example, I believe it is possible to fashion a reform of Obamacare with Republicans and Democrats working together. I think that nothing major gets done in this country -- I don't think, I know that nothing major gets done in this country unless both parties work together on it. You pass Obamacare with no Republicans, it's not stable. You pass a Republican plan without Democrats, it's not stable.

And so it is critical, once we get through this -- and maybe this is a great opportunity for us to put aside too much partisanship. We're going to be conservatives and liberals. Put it aside and figure out how to cast that and work together to solve some of these very big problems.

I would also say something to the people that are watching this show. Please settle down. Don't dislike or hate somebody that doesn't agree with you. Love your neighbor as you want your neighbor to love you. This is so important in this country. And somehow we're treating each other -- and not just in politics.

If you're on United Airlines and they yank you off the plane, or you're Wells Fargo and you file phony accounts, or you're Epi-pen and you jack up prices, I mean, is that the way you want to be treated? So start thinking about other people a little bit and we'll all have a better life and we'll all be more unified.

And I've enjoyed being with Senator Sanders tonight. We used to be in the House together. He testified before the Budget Committee. There's an old tape of it. And we both looked a heck of a lot better 20 years ago. So, thank you for having us here tonight, and I hope it did some good for America. "
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frankj1
9 years ago

He was fired right..?? 😕

DrafterX wrote:


But he was appointed even after the Trump admin was told about it. One concern was he would be open to blackmail by the Russians. They forced him out because it all became known!

They have since discussed rehiring him.

Once again, I am not talking about election shenanigans, my biggest fears are with Russian's influencing our policy makers.
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frankj1
9 years ago

its not threatening

its just funny that no one cared about the queen of the clinton money laundering foundation potentially being influenced by foreign powers - heck didnt even hear a peep

but now it is 24/7 and the world is ending

gummy jones wrote:


she's not now nor was then President. The level of concern existed in proportion.

and the way the story is told here, I'm certain many actually believe she sold physical uranium owned by the US to Russia. Very few actually understand the transaction, the players, and the process of the approval sign-off.
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tailgater
9 years ago

Alegedly they tried to influence our presidential election. But you already knew that. Unfortunately it does not fit your agenda.

Speyside wrote:



Be more specific.

Somebody hacked the DNC and released damning emails.

Why are we chasing the hacker? Because if those emails were on the up and up then this wouldn't be an issue.

The Russians (if it were them) didn't create voter fraud. This is only a big deal because of what was on those emails. Which had nothing to do with the hacker (presumably Russia).

But now we're hearing that certain Trump aids "had contact" with Russian officials. And this is somehow stimulating further investigations.
We should be looking instead at the systematic manipulation by the DNC to oust the socialist Bernie Sanders and prop up the Hillary cadaver as the nominee.

Or we could just drop the whole thing because,... well,... at this point what difference does it make?


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tailgater
9 years ago

she's not now nor was then President. The level of concern existed in proportion.

and the way the story is told here, I'm certain many actually believe she sold physical uranium owned by the US to Russia. Very few actually understand the transaction, the players, and the process of the approval sign-off.

frankj1 wrote:



Neither is/was he.

And who cares about uranium when there's the pizza sex scandal to talk about?!

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tailgater
9 years ago

But he was appointed even after the Trump admin was told about it. One concern was he would be open to blackmail by the Russians. They forced him out because it all became known!

They have since discussed rehiring him.

Once again, I am not talking about election shenanigans, my biggest fears are with Russian's influencing our policy makers.

frankj1 wrote:



Do you honestly think it's as big a deal as this whole situation has become?

People don't even know WHY "Russia" is a bad thing.
They hate trump. And that's all that matters.

Just look at the Trump/Putin history in the news.
First he's buddies with him. Which was deemed as a bad thing.
Then they were enemies. Again, this is very bad.
Now we're back to them being bedfellows and it's bad. Again.

Time to sh*t or get off the pot.
Instead, the media choose to just stir.

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teedubbya
9 years ago
I think the investigation is still going. We don't have the info to determine if it's time to get off the pot. Some wanted to get off it immediately. I wonder why? I don't know who knew or did what and am willing to wait. I hope there is no there there, because it will hurt the country, but am not willing to ignore it just because I wanna blow trump or hate the press.
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tailgater
9 years ago

I think the investigation is still going. We don't have the info to determine if it's time to get off the pot. Some wanted to get off it immediately. I wonder why? I don't know who knew or did what and am willing to wait. I hope there is no there there, because it will hurt the country, but am not willing to ignore it just because I wanna blow trump or hate the press.

teedubbya wrote:



Truthfully, I'm perfectly fine with the investigation continuing.
I just abhor the media reaction to false leaks. I feel that is undermining our nation more than any foreign tampering could ever do.

Let the process play out and let the chips fall.

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teedubbya
9 years ago

Truthfully, I'm perfectly fine with the investigation continuing.
I just abhor the media reaction to false leaks. I feel that is undermining our nation more than any foreign tampering could ever do.

Let the process play out and let the chips fall.

tailgater wrote:




The false leaks? I'm disgusted by all of the leaks and the leakers (most of which have proven true thus far). I'm also disgusted by the content of said leaks and the actions of the white house, congress (both sides) and the press. What a fine mess.

Kaisich got it right. The republicans are hiding or covering, and the dems are exploiting. Both bad for the country.

I am amazed at the trump love in here. He was right about the gun and 5th avenue comment.
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