And murders overall..?? 😕

Hahaha that is nowhere near the facts! California Illinois and Dc have some of the strictest gun laws in the US....you can honestly with a straight face tell me they have less fun deaths than say Texas or Arizona or New Mexico?

I think that's smart. And I misunderstood you. Mine is cc too. I think you may have been saying open carry requires 2 stage. I don't know about that.

Accross the border from me KS doesn't require a cc license. Resident? you can carry. The problem is they wrote that law in a way that was problematic for MO residents even with cc license. Unexpected consequences. Another bad part of even well intended laws.

as for cc, I don't want people to know. I hesitate to even say anything in here. the classes I went to stressed heavily to not advertise. to the point they thought it was silly to even wear firearms tshirts etc.

Yes Sir I meant if you open carry here you have to have a 2 stage

If there is a bad guy around me I intend to get away. My cc is for if I can't.

Given the chance to help someone it's tricky. I like to puff my chest out and say I would and could and would be clear headed dudly do right. Honesty and saying what most people will not admit says I'm not sure. And I'm not sure if I did that I would make the right split second decisions. Thats why if possible I get away. I don't want to find out.

You hit the nail on the head...who knows how they would act. I had a guy at work say if that cop didn't do anything who says a teacher would....I couldn't answer but let's assume there are 10 teachers and only one acts....is that not better than nothing?

from what I can find, there are no laws even requiring you to use a holster......NH does not require a concealed carry permit, as long as you can legally own a gun you can carry it cc or open carry
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20170222/new-hampshire-governor-signs-constitutional-carry-into-law 

What if the one that acts takes the wrong action and kills innocents.

Just asking. As I said, I don’t know and I’m really conflicted. I’m not dug in either way.

If someone can convince me of a way to mitigate let alone eliminate this nonsense I’m on board. Neither side has.

And sometimes you have to accept that I guess.

If I was cc as a teacher I’d get as many kids hiding as possible and stay with them with my gun as a last resort. I’d not go hunting.

And when the guy in black enters the room I hope I bake the right decision. Hopefully if it’s swat they will make it clear somehow. Hoped the bad guy doesn’t know how to do that too (land shark). Hopefully the swat team knows I’m not the shooter.

Tough call.

Again... great points! But at least you would be in that room stuck.....with a fighting chance when someone entered that room!

True. Hopefully I don’t see someone I think is the shooter and kill them or vice versa.

I’d be lying though if I’m that scenario I said I’d rather not have my gun.

Me too!

SWAT would be easily identified.. but in the panic mode I see your point... luckily they wear armour.. 😟

Not if the shooter is inspired by swat like attire.

If you accidentally shoot at a swat guy he won’t shoot back right?

In an on air interview the RO's boss,the Sheriff seemed to think the RO's job was to try and take out the shooter. Maybe the reason the RO was suspended and then subsequently resigned.

In this situation that occurred in a school facility you would rather take on a 3" or 3.5" 12 gauge magnum, cylinder bore, and tube extender loaded with 00 rather than a semi auto rifle?

Easy fix tho.. grab the gun and put on a vest... different color vest every week.. Yes I know the shooter could also wear a color coded vest.. but it's better than nothing... The objective is to take out the shooter before the cops arrive... If that happens drop the gun... 😟

That’s an easy fix?

No... Just a thought.. 😟

Paying attention to the warning signs and following up on the tips provided would be a good place to start.

FBI caller said suspected gunman "is going to explode"
An unidentified person close to the teen accused of killing 17 people in a school shooting in Parkland, Florida, called the FBI more than a month before the shooting and said she was worried Cruz would "get into a school and just shoot the place up," a U.S. official familiar with a transcript of the call confirmed to CBS News.

The Wall Street Journal first reported the context of the call made to the agency's public access line. A person familiar with the matter confirmed all of the quotes in the transcript reported by the Journal.

"You know, it's just so much," the caller said. "I know he's -- he's going to explode." The woman said she wanted to clear her conscience in case "he takes off and, and just starts shooting places up."

"Something is gonna happen," she continued. "Because he's, he doesn't have the mental capacity. He can't, he's so outraged if someone talks to him about certain things."

Last week, the FBI said it had received a tip about Cruz on Jan. 5, 2018, but failed to investigate the report. The caller also reported Cruz's gun ownership, his desire to kill others, erratic behavior and disturbing social media posts. She described times when Cruz mutilated frogs and at least one bird.

"He brought the bird into the house," she said. "He threw it on his mother's kitchen counter and he started cutting it up. He has all kinds of hunting knives. I don't know what knife he used, though. And he started cutting the bird up, and his mother… said, 'What're you doing?' And he says, 'I want to see what's inside.'"

The caller also provided Cruz's social media accounts to the FBI. She said it was alarming to see images on the account and "to know what he's capable of doing and what could happen."

"He's [been] thrown out of all these schools because he would pick up a chair and just throw it at somebody, a teacher or a student, because he didn't like the way they were talking to him."

CBS News correspondent Manuel Bojorquez reports that it wasn't the first time someone called authorities on Cruz. The woman who took in Cruz and his brother after their mother's death last year called Palm Beach County's 911 in November.

"He put the gun at the head of his brother so it's not the first time and he did that with his mom. It's not the first time he put a gun to somebody's head," the 911 caller said.

There are now investigations at practically every level of law enforcement about potential missed warning signs before the shooting and what happened during.

At a Senate Judiciary Committee briefing on Friday, FBI officials discussed how it handled a threat Cruz allegedly made in a post on YouTube on Sept. 15, 2017. The FBI did not seek information from YouTube's parent company, Google Inc., to learn about the identity of the person behind the comment or the individual's location, Sen. Chuck Grassley's office said in a statement. It said Google could have provided information if the agency had asked.

Cruz has been charged on 17 counts of premeditated murder after being questioned by state and federal authorities. His lawyers have said Cruz will plead guilty if prosecutors agree not to pursue the death penalty, but no decision has been made on that.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-caller-said-suspected-gunman-nikolas-cruz-is-going-to-explode/ 

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The last sentence is by far the most hypocritical thing I've heard yet regarding this incident. If you want to "do something for the children" then string this nut bug up to the electric chair, make it a pay-per-view event, and give the proceeds to the victims. You want a "deterrent"?