Trump pulls the US out.

Clearly a great decision.

What say you?

Sounds like World War 3 is heating up.

Going to be a crazy summer.

The right move.

But now dems well blame Trump for all the hostilities even though they have been rapidly growing unchecked for a long time and on quite a few presidents' watches.

Strength through weakness or leading from behind or whatever the policy had been the last 8 years was utterly ridiculous. The world was not safer and every despot was emboldened.

The next large scale war will likely be started (if it hasn't already) in some crummy country no one really cares too much about by proxies that pit Russia, Iran, China (+/- north Korea, another Muslim country or two like turkey or Pakistan) vs Israel, the us, France, England, Saudi, Japan, South Korea, and most every one else.

I hope not

But mankind is a wretched beast, so eventually...

Trump's finest told him that Iran was complying. I don't know about anyone else, but unlike folks here, and like the Mueller final report, I have no inside sources telling me anything else, yet.
Israel seems to be against the deal though.

But seriously, I really never knew for sure how to view the deal...or why most of Trump's advisors and all of our allies wanted us to stay in. I do know that it may set a precedent to other countries that our word may not be worth much...see North Korea coming up.

One more item that I can't believe I, being a lib, have to bring up...Kerry had no business doing what he did. I am not a Trump supporter (duh) but he is the President and Kerry was not given this assignment. This is one of those situations where I don't want everything I want. That would end up in dictatorship, and a benevolent dictator is still worse than just losing a few issues.

First the DC writer thingie.
Now John Heinz Kerry.
You shoot guns.
Never rearranged your chromosomes.
Hell, you probably know all the words to the pledge of allegiance.

Dude. You're practically a card carrying Republican.

Trump never explained why it was a bad deal, other than that we've paid Iran upfront and there is nothing to prevent them from resuming nuclear acquisition and preparation when the deal expires in ten years. All the experts say the inspections have been working and Iran seems to be keeping up it's part of the bargain.

Trump has based his agenda almost exclusively to undo Obama's accomplishments, good or bad, and many pointed to the Iran deal as a major foreign policy achievement by the previous President. Is that a legitimate reason to move the world closer to war than to peace?

Ten years is a long time to work out additional agreements to contain the threat using diplomacy and subtle pressure, while waiting out the old Iranian mullahs who are currently in power. (funny how old men closer to death all over the world, make decisions that will lead to the premature deaths of young innocent people) There continues to be a huge portion of the Iranian population, mostly young and well-educated who are still pro-west/democracy. Diplomacy and business/education exchanges have historically been preferred ways to democratize a country. This decision may have just put those pro-democracy people in jeopardy, or at least drive them away from us.

The other people that this decision puts at risk are innocent Israelis. Iran has the capability to respond to use of Israeli force and can launch weapons into Israel. Israel pushed the US into reneging on the deal so that there would be an excuse to exercise their military options, to satisfy Israel's desire to punish Iran for reasons that go way back, beyond Iran's potential nuclear capability threat. With the US clearly locked in with the Israeli position, Israel can go to their preferred solution: military force against Iran. To dramatize that point, Israel bombed an Iranian military base in Syria within hours of Trump's announcement. The little dog's tail is wagging the big dog.

Who and how will the US enforce all the sanctions, and how effective will they be? We aren't the only ones doing big business in Iran, and all the other players say they'll stick with the deal, effectively watering down any solo US sanctions that might take hold. Boeing may lose $20 billion in business due to sanctions, so US businesses doing business in Iran and citizens who may have been employed by those companies will pay a price.

Meanwhile, with the US out and the inspectors presumably out, will Iran resume its nuclear acquisition activities...yes...

Will that cause more upheaval and uncertainty in the ME...yes...

will Israel intensify military action against Iran...yes...

will that lead to a larger conflagration in the Middle East that will drag us into war there once again........................

People usually don't flee from peace...will there be another surge of displaced people who will flood into safe havens all over the world............

I'm pretty sure...TRUMP DIDN'T EVEN UNDERSTAND THE JARGON IN THE AGREEMENT...

NOT THAT I DO EITHER.

ITS JUST A "TALKING POINT" DECISION...

LIKE HIS "SCRAP OBAMA CARE" ...

JUST BECAUSE IT SOUNDED GOOD TO IDJIT REDNECKS...

I GUESS IT DOESNT MATTER THAT THE REPUBLICAN HEALTH PLANS ARE WORSE, HIGHER DEDUCTIBLES,
HIGHER COPAYS AND HIGHER PREMIUMS...
^^^ I MEAN ...HOW F**KING STUPID ARE REPUBLICANS?

I agree strongly with the first sentence....but I dismiss the assumption of the question following.

I am a little nauseous when Trump gets in a room full of foreign dignitaries and rants about how chitty Obama was (and even other previous presidents were.) Its bad enough when he does it at his perpetual campaign rallies, but when he says it directly to Macron or Abe or Merkel....it not just unconventional anymore...its wrong, IMO

But I haven't heard anything that makes me believe that this weeks' decision moves the world closer to war. In fact, the limited coverage/opinioning that I have heard seems to indicate that nobody has a clue what this is going to mean weeks, months, or even years from now. I think the risk of potential 'secondary sanctions' on friendly businesses is greater than the risk of someone getting into a hot war with Iran.

Israel bombed an Iranian military base near Damascus in Syria, at the same time they were telling its citizens to report to bomb shelters...just a few hours after Trump's announcement. Coincidence?


https://www.timesofisrael.com/death-toll-from-syria-strike-rises-to-15-including-8-iranians-monitor/ 

by Massachusetts standards, I am practically a Texan...how do you know about the chromosomes?

Somebody shot somebody else in a third country in the Middle East? That's a shocking development we've never seen before....must be Trump's fault?

A little early to be writing the history on this one, dontcha think?

maybe so...but history is replete with mistakes of war when the wise guys didn't want to give peace a chance...

sure ... bombs seem to be flying regularly there ... that's why peace initiatives, even non-perfect ones, are so valuable that they should be nurtured, not abandoned...

I find the Iran deal quotes from Schumer and a bunch of dems. They thought it was bad and that Iran was a bad actor.

Then I see the videos today of them burning a paper us flag I their parliament and chanting death to America.

Never make a trust laden deal with a nation like that. They have nothing to offer and we have nothing to gain.

If anyone could add a tripod, then everyone would have one.

It wasn't a peace initiative.
It was a short term placebo. Like the rest of Obama's policies.

Obamacare was doomed to fail AFTER he left office.
Iran was going to be happy until AFTER he left office.

See a pattern?


I'm not an expert at world politics.
But it's my understanding that Israll tipped us off regarding Iranian shenanigans regarding nukes.
Israel is not unbiased in this regard, but neither are they stupid nor incompetent.

We didn’t pull out. We are choosing to violate it. (That’s hot)

I say we because Trump is us.

I’m sure NK will abide by a Trump treaty much better than Iran will an Obama (actually multilateral) treaty.

It’s all good.

Trust, but verify.

Trump is being upfront regarding NK.
Obama ignored the "verify" part with Iran.

And Trump is us. Just like Obama was us back when he overrode Congress to enter into the deal initially.

I think it's worth a watch... former cia agent Mike Baker on the Rogan podcast yesterday... the while hours is informative but this clip is specifically about iran...

thought the Obama and now Trump administrations have been verifying Iranian compliance...no?

The one thing I do know about the deal is that no one here knows any real specifics about the deal so we tend to split along partisan lines...or get stuck in an unsure zone (like me), but I will say the thing that had given me hope initially was the ten year part.

To me, that is not short term, and there are enough reports that Iranian youth and young adults and those approaching middle age are smitten with Western ways. I've always thought exporting our greatness with our freedom and quality of life would sell itself around the world without war (which cannot capture people's minds).

I was hoping that over the decade, the proWest Iranians would make inroads against the old world regime...and if not, there were years left to tweak the deal.

But without any specific knowledge of the deal's details, it's possible I would be against it...which doesn't stop most people on either side.

and of course, now there is no way to stop weapon development, unless the rest of the countries involved keep it alive.