This is the most non-answer I've ever seen. Thanks

JadeRose wrote:

A non-answer to a demand to do your homework for you?

Show me a source that documents what women are thinking when they get their divorce and I'll answer your impossible task.

Late term abortions are legal in some states.
They wouldn't be if people weren't taking advantage of that.
And in the states that don't allow late term abortions, there isn't a rash of women dying from complications where an abortion would have saved them. So the notion of "only allowed when the mother's life is in danger" is nothing but a lie.

Stop boring me.

tailgater wrote:

Late term abortions are legal in some states.
They wouldn't be if people weren't taking advantage of that.

tailgater wrote:

Not everyone has a CVS nearby.
But don't ignore the facts that in Massachusetts (for instance) it's much more likely to have one close by yet abortion rates are higher than they are in many of the states where that CVS isn't.

One could argue that "access" actually increases the abortion rates, but we can agree that this doesn't make any sense.

Stats mean nothing without supporting details. And stats are dangerous tools when wielded incorrectly.

In this case, however, it's clear that "access" isn't the issue.

I don't think we should get too sidetracked here.
Alabama is the subject and their new law is dangerous and wrong.

Let's not cloud it by guessing that access or age to purchase is the culprit when the vast majority of abortions are not performed on these groups.

tailgater wrote:

I DID do my homework and found nothing. You're throwing around "facts" and I'm asking you to corroborate them. Nothing more. You're getting downright pottsian in your posts, TG. I expected better.

Also...good job on the Bill Clinton-esque semantic focus on the word "Mother". What IS the definition of the word "is"?

JadeRose wrote:

we both know how very close we are on this issue...an issue about women decided by men (feel free to disagree with my add-on).

Oddly enough, I believe you have cited stats that support exactly what I stated! But you left out a key word from your link when you interpreted the data and may have misled yourself into the wrong conclusion, hence the actual danger of incorrect usage.

That key word is "Legal", as in legal abortions reported...not total.

When read correctly, it makes perfect sense why states like NY and MA and a few others have higher numbers of Legal abortions, not simply total numbers of abortions as you took it to mean. We can't tell from your link actual totals. But states with greater access to women's health care services, as I believed before researching, would logically have higher rates of legal (and probably safer) abortions.

when listing the higher end and the lower end of state rankings, there were a couple of misfits on both ends. Wisconsin, for example, shows up in the bottom level along with non-surprise states like Alabama, W. Virginia, Arkansas, Kentucky, Mississippi...so I may just have an incomplete personal opinion of Wisconsin in that I picture it closer to MA in "climate".

I'd take a wild guess that in the lower ranked states, there are plenty of illegal/unsafe abortions performed not accounted for in your link. I'd go so far as to guess in the higher ranked states (made up mostly of states with better access to women's health services) there are relatively few in that category.

Some women in lower ranked states who even might have the access I keep referencing may be shamed or scared to go public or be open about their abortions as the local culture/climate could be very intimidating...and yes, this may be my own cultural bias in play.

frankj1 wrote:

here are some facts about late term abortions, defined as post viability, or after 20 - 24 weeks, generally...

Eight states allow them, but only with medical reasons including gestational physical anomalies and mother's health...

only two states, Colorado and New Mexico allow abortions up to 32 weeks; Washington DC allows them up to 36 weeks...done on "case by case basis"


https://www.christianpost.com/news/7-states-already-allow-abortion-up-to-birth-not-just-new-york.html 


"Despite abortion up to the time of birth being legal in several states and the nation’s capital, there are only five clinics nationwide that perform late-term abortions. Two are in states that allow abortion up to birth and three are in states that prohibit late-term abortion but allow exemptions (California, Maryland and Ohio)".

delta1 wrote:

So when you're provided with statistics that don't prove your point, you decide to add an imaginary caveat?

If illegal abortions in those backwards states are so common, why the fuss about the new Alabama law?

tailgater wrote:

I was politely showing you that the statistics you provided for me did not prove your point!
They did prove mine.

frankj1 wrote:

I used to enjoy debating with tail because I do value differing opinion when presented logically. That’s how I learn and my mind can be changed on things. There was a time when tail was one of the folks I could count on for this. I’m still open for that but it’s been severely lacking for awhile. I’m not sure what happened.

teedubbya wrote: