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6 years ago
To 'The View': "Hunter Biden utilized his father's vice presidency to magically end up on a board in Ukraine, with a language he doesn't speak, on a business he knows nothing about for $83k a month. If I did that you guys would lose your minds."

He's right, ya know... but they want to shove that under the rug and want to impeach Trump for trying to uncover it.
DrafterX
6 years ago
Those bassards..!! 😠
frankj1
6 years ago

To 'The View': "Hunter Biden utilized his father's vice presidency to magically end up on a board in Ukraine, with a language he doesn't speak, on a business he knows nothing about for $83k a month. If I did that you guys would lose your minds."

He's right, ya know... but they want to shove that under the rug and want to impeach Trump for trying to uncover it.

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that's not what they are trying to uncover...not how Hunter got the job.

They are trying to create proof that Biden threatened to withhold aid unless Ukraine got rid of the prosecutor investigating Hunter's employer...to use his office for personal gain, that being to protect Hunter being what they hope to recreate.
They want to say others have done what Trump is doing for personal gain now.

But it's been established that the pressure from the free world to fire the corrupt prosecutor was for many reasons related to corruption, and Hunter was not the target of them.

That's not to say that Hunter did not get a cushiony job that may be related to fortunate birth (can you say Donald Jr?), but it is also not to say that Joe Biden threatened to hold back money specifically unless his son was left alone...which has been established not to be the reason for the threat.

Asked and answered for quite a while...yet understandable as anything like that job smells of impropriety. It is old news, not as old as birth certificates, but equally inaccurate.

But unless you want to go down the "where's there's smoke there's fire" road and not apply that maxim to the out of control wild fires happening now...

Abrignac
6 years ago

that's not what they are trying to uncover...not how Hunter got the job.

They are trying to create proof that Biden threatened to withhold aid unless Ukraine got rid of the prosecutor investigating Hunter's employer...to use his office for personal gain, that being to protect Hunter being what they hope to recreate.
They want to say others have done what Trump is doing for personal gain now.

But it's been established that the pressure from the free world to fire the corrupt prosecutor was for many reasons related to corruption, and Hunter was not the target of them.

That's not to say that Hunter did not get a cushiony job that may be related to fortunate birth (can you say Donald Jr?), but it is also not to say that Joe Biden threatened to hold back money specifically unless his son was left alone...which has been established not to be the reason for the threat.

Asked and answered for quite a while...yet understandable as anything like that job smells of impropriety. It is old news, not as old as birth certificates, but equally inaccurate.

But unless you want to go down the "where's there's smoke there's fire" road and not apply that maxim to the out of control wild fires happening now...

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If not to protect Hunter’s interest then why get involved? What item of national security did we protect?
ZRX1200
6 years ago
So Frank what did DJT get again in his “quid pro quo” ??
frankj1
6 years ago

So Frank what did DJT get again in his “quid pro quo” ??

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he got caught?
frankj1
6 years ago

If not to protect Hunter’s interest then why get involved? What item of national security did we protect?

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seriously, you are unfamiliar with this recent history of Ukraine?
Do you truly believe Biden waved a pocket full of US aid at them and said leave my son alone or you don't get this?
There was multinational support for the prosecutor to be removed and not to protect Hunter Biden!
Abrignac
6 years ago

seriously, you are unfamiliar with this recent history of Ukraine?
Do you truly believe Biden waved a pocket full of US aid at them and said leave my son alone or you don't get this?
There was multinational support for the prosecutor to be removed and not to protect Hunter Biden!

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All the more reason to recuse himself from anything where impropriety could be assumed.
frankj1
6 years ago

All the more reason to recuse himself from anything where impropriety could be assumed.

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not the worst argument I've ever heard on this...

Sessions lost his job doing it in our current case of illegal political personal gain charges

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6 years ago

seriously, you are unfamiliar with this recent history of Ukraine?
Do you truly believe Biden waved a pocket full of US aid at them and said leave my son alone or you don't get this?
There was multinational support for the prosecutor to be removed and not to protect Hunter Biden!

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He said it on national TV.
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6 years ago
Hunter Biden warrants a gig making 83k a month for this company, WHY?

And Jr. is 100% correct... if he had that gig the dems would be doing everything on Earth possible to point it out and ask about his qualifications, etc. etc... but since it's Biden's kid... nothing to see there.
frankj1
6 years ago
you do know you are connecting unrelated stuff together as though it is being investigated, right?

a simple check will inform what Biden's mission was for with the backing of pretty much the rest of the free world, and that mission wasn't "leave my son alone".

Should someone else have been sent on that mission? Now it's easy to say yes. Anth said it better: 'All the more reason to recuse himself from anything where impropriety could be assumed.'

But ya know what? Biden still would have been sent by Obama on behalf of many nations with the same agenda even if his son never existed.

And I'm not voting for sleepy joe, so don't confuse this with blind support. It's based on what happened in the world then, not the world according to Rudy.

Donald Jr? The most fortunate son since his father!
Of all people to be slinging sleaze accusations.
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6 years ago
Still ignores the question of why Hunter Biden was being paid 83k a month by a Ukrainian company...

I don't believe you're foolish enough to think that's coincidence.
frankj1
6 years ago
tell me what I should know about it. or is it more smoke/fire theory?
You sure you want to open that with what's going on?

If there is something concrete, I'll assume there will be the same outrage for the tons of cases we would both easily find of this being done by those you currently support. (and those you don't).
delta1
6 years ago
pretty obvious it was a move by a private Ukrainian company to buy access to power...plenty of corporate boards in the US pay big money for a well-connected and/or wealthy persons to list on their board...common way of doing business in the US and in other parts of the world...it's acceptable, unless it's a political rival...

Ukraine was/is dependent upon US and European support to fight off the Russian invasion and corrupt dominance of their economy...pretty sure they thought it would be better than to appoint the son of a Russian oligarch...


looks bad...but no evidence there was anything illegal
frankj1
6 years ago
do we trust reuters?
I'm serious. I have no idea if they are part of the media that supposedly makes up lies.

here's a recent article that seems non toxic:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hunter-biden-ukraine/what-hunter-biden-did-on-the-board-of-ukrainian-energy-company-burisma-idUSKBN1WX1P7 

also, today was the first I'd read 83K/month. Normally it was reported as 50K/month.
This article mentions 83K but says it was paid monthly twice, once for the Biden kid.
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6 years ago
Al... yes, that's exactly what it was. Frank, yes... they both do it.

See? We agree on things!!

Now... can we agree that for one side the media seems to think it's no big deal, but for the other it's nefarious, underhanded and evil?

Just like both sides use US power and influence (as well as money) to get other countries to act the way we want, join forces with us, or any other number of things to promote our national interest, yes??

So why the impeachment BS for Trump doing what we've always done? And by all accounts he was asking the guy for help in getting to the bottom of election meddling. I thought Russia was involved in that? Don't we want to stop that?

Do I trust Reuters? I don't know who the fk to trust any more.
frankj1
6 years ago

Al... yes, that's exactly what it was. Frank, yes... they both do it.

See? We agree on things!!

Now... can we agree that for one side the media seems to think it's no big deal, but for the other it's nefarious, underhanded and evil?

Just like both sides use US power and influence (as well as money) to get other countries to act the way we want, join forces with us, or any other number of things to promote our national interest, yes??

So why the impeachment BS for Trump doing what we've always done? And by all accounts he was asking the guy for help in getting to the bottom of election meddling. I thought Russia was involved in that? Don't we want to stop that?

Do I trust Reuters? I don't know who the fk to trust any more.

MACS wrote:



So yes, we are in synch way more than not, as we both already knew.

But one stubborn difference... it gets ignored here a lot that manipulating other countries with power and influence to bend the way we want in terms of policy by dangling benefits in front of them is not wrong.

But if the potus is bending them to help him win an election by going after his leading opponent! That does not advance the interest of our country at all. That is for personal gain, illegal, covering it up is illegal, and obstructing the investigation is illegal.

Yes, no question there is media favoritism to the left at this point in time, but if the second scenario is being reported as bad and stuff, that is accurate. Not bias.

and increasingly it looks like it happened. should they not cover it? Should they edit the quotes? Censor it to protect him?
delta1
6 years ago
"act the way we want" means for the United States of America's national interests...that's why Congress approved $391 Million of US military aid for the Ukraine, so that they can fight off the Russians and their Ukrainian friends who are trying to topple the democratically elected government...the same Russia who unilaterally annexed the Crimea, a part of the Ukraine...

our national interest was to promote a stronger and less corrupt democratic country to stem the advancement of the Russian influence in the region...the withholding of aid jeopardized an ally that was actively battling Russian forces at its borders, and desperately needed the money...

we've never accepted that a POTUS can leverage foreign aid for his own political interests...Trump threatened to withhold the aid to discredit a prime political opponent...he requested the favor of the Ukraine president announcing it would investigate Biden and Biden's son and the company he worked for, Burisma....that was a very specific request to help Trump's re-election...

and that was contrary to what the US diplomats were trying to accomplish in the Ukraine...veteran diplomats/State Department officials who serve overseas to advance US national interests... who had decades of foreign service experience who testified that this was something they had never before encountered and wrong/illegal...

the election meddling aspect was for looking into a debunked conspiracy theory that said Ukraine has possession of the DNC server and were the ones behind the election meddling of 2016...this has been proven false quite awhile ago...
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6 years ago
Biden isn't really his leading opponent. I think it's Fauxcahontas, which is funny.

Creepy, sleepy Joe ain't got a chance, and if the dems don't know that... please... run him.
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