Once again, you are missing the point. This is not about taxes, that's a different topic. The charges I'm referring to are above and beyond taxes. My taxes that I pay have those subsidies rolled into them. This is an individual company (not the government) adding additional charges above and beyond taxes for products and/or services that I don't use.

Let's try this again. Say you order a plain cheese pizza, you pick it up and pay with cash. You look at your bill and you are charged for some pepperoni, some mushrooms, and a credit card service charge. Neither of those are contained in the product or service that you purchased. You are OK with paying for those charges?

Plus, you can stop with all that green infinitives BS about how EVs are an important positive step in that direction. There are plenty of examples out there and posted here showing that it is just smoke and mirrors. If you look at the entire life cycle from mining the supplies from the Earth all the way through to the death of the vehicle, the infrastructure needed to meet the pie in the sky goals and so on - it's actually a negative impact with our current technology and anticipated technology advances in our lifetime. Just set the goal/mandates and hope a miracle happens to achieve them.

It's great to set (arbitrary) goals but if there is no real world way of obtaining those goals it's all for naught.

BuckyB93 wrote:

In other news….


A Washington man has been arrested and charged with vehicular homicide after a Tesla in autopilot mode slammed into a motorcyclist, killing him.

The crash happened around 3:45 p.m. Friday in Maltby, Washington, according to a Washington State Patrol incident summary.

Abrignac wrote:

Look at this zero IQ dummy go. Do you really believe because my name is DrMaddVibe here I am DrMaddVibe? I've NEVER professed to be Angelo Moore. Met him a bunch of times and had the band over to the house though. Also, that's his website. NOT MINE.

If you're keeping score at home and you're playing against Brewfart...you're already going to win, but I also don't look anything like David Lee Roth. I appreciate his contributions to Rock N Roll, believe him to be an awesome person and a very sharp mind. Never said I looked like him either. I just happened to really like the hat.

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So, Brewfart...care to show everyone how much more moronic you could be? I'm betting you can go lower.

DrMaddVibe wrote:

Mine is the Grand Touring, her car is the Sapphire. One is a 4-door sedan, the other is a sports car. We enjoy both of them, we each drive both of them. They both serve a somewhat different purpose.

Speyside2 wrote:

Well, at least you're not mad about it.....

Brewha wrote:

I was going to ask you why you didn't go for a Taycan or a Plaid.
"Sapphire"
Oh.

Love to hear about that some time. DMV tells me the speed, range and paint colors are lies. No arguing with that though...

Super nice car - real or not.

How has your Lucid experience been?

Brewha wrote:

Some people can afford luxurious electric cars and are "early adopters." To each their own.

It is not their fault there are government subsidies that they lawfully take advantage of. They are fools if they don't.

In the long-run (perhaps 20 or so years), I think electric or other non-petroleum cars will be a thing for us all. But, not right now, obviously.

And, I agree that the electric car purchase subsidies are pitifully too much.

rfenst wrote:

And lower you go. Bet you can't show me where I said that.

DrMaddVibe wrote:

So, when you say that the EV purchase subsidies, which are income tax credits, are pitifully too much - whom is to be pitied?

Brewha wrote:

So you are saying "But then to blatantly tack on additional charges for electric vehicles and solar charges"

Your electric bill comes is added charges for EVs???

Brewha wrote:

In other news….


A Washington man has been arrested and charged with vehicular homicide after a Tesla in autopilot mode slammed into a motorcyclist, killing him.

The crash happened around 3:45 p.m. Friday in Maltby, Washington, according to a Washington State Patrol incident summary.

Abrignac wrote:

Large tax breaks for energy efficiency, taxes and charges for energy efficiency, and artificial demand. For me that equates to making money. Maybe there is a way to profit from this green thingy. Anyone want to make some money by playing the odds? What odds, you say the game is rigged, use it to your advantage.

Speyside2 wrote:

An energy report released last October by the Texas Public Policy Foundation concluded that EVs would cost tens of thousands of dollars more if not for generous taxpayer-funded incentives: the average model year 2021 EV would cost approximately $48,698 more to own over a 10-year period without the staggering $22 billion in taxpayer-funded handouts that the government provides to electric car manufacturers and owners.

Abrignac wrote:

Yes.
Included on the list of charges above and beyond my consumption charge & taxes are these verbatim from the bill...
- Energy Efficiency Charge (I get charged for being energy efficient?).
- Renewable Energy Charge (WTF is that?).
- Distributed Solar Charge (WTF is that?).
- Electrical Vehicle Charge (WTF is that?).

Here in my town we can choose from about 12 different electricity suppliers. National Grid is the main one and owns all the poles and the lines but you can pick a different supplier (but it has to go through National Grid). I chose one that claims that a majority of their electricity is harvested from solar farms yet my bill has all of these random charges.

It's not gonna break the bank or send me into poverty but what are these for and why do I have to pay for things that I own or don't use?

BuckyB93 wrote:

Don't get your question. Rephrase?

rfenst wrote: