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Speyside2
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2 years ago

I went into the trial thinking Trump was guilty. At this point if I was on the jury I would vote not guilty based on the law. I have reasonable doubt.

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Burner02
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2 years ago

I went into the trial thinking Trump was guilty. At this point if I was on the jury I would vote not guilty based on the law. I have reasonable doubt.

Speyside2 wrote:

What law? Have they ever stated what law he allegedly broke?

DrMaddVibe
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2 years ago

I spoke up on this board...forget the thread...that ALL of the cases were manufactured crap.

ALL OF THEM.

It's the DNC weaponizing the White House and the DOJ ala Banana Republic style. All with the help of the FBI, CIA and the SCOTUS!

But give to Ukraine!🐴

Edited by user 2 years ago | Reason: Not specified

MACS
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2 years ago

I went into the trial thinking Trump was guilty. At this point if I was on the jury I would vote not guilty based on the law. I have reasonable doubt.

Speyside2 wrote:

Anyone with half a brain can see its all bullsh*t. All the DA's are bought and paid for... all had communications with the WH and the Biden administration.

It's beyond obvious to those without TDS that it's election interference. It's not going to work. In fact, I think it's having the opposite effect they intended.

Speyside2
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2 years ago

They stated he knowingly defrauded the American public because the hush money was paid so the public would not know of the alleged affair. I have no legal knowledge so I do not know if a law covers this or not. The only "proof" is based on Cohen's testimony. This leaves me with serious doubt. In many posts I have stated I thought he was guilty but he is innocent until proven guilty.

DrMaddVibe
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2 years ago

Speyside2 wrote:

No, he's not and neither is anyone associated with Trump. You should be wise enough to have seen the double standard by now.

Cohen by his own admission said he was the one that set up the NDA with Stormy Daniels. Why? Who knows. You're NEVER going to get an honest answer out of that rat faced prick Cohen. Went so far as to take out a HELOC on his own house because his wife runs the "books" in his house and he didn't want her to see anything he was doing. Does that sound like Donald Trump? He didn't even ask Cohen to do any such thing. We're talking about something that even she signed and swore to that she never slept with Trump. So, you have a couple of sleazy operators attempting to gain leverage over Trump. Statute of limitations ran past all this too so why did the DA bring federal charges on a misdemeanor? Because the Biden Administration TOLD him to. That's exactly why the #3 at the DOJ walks down the vaulted ladder to take the NY job...to do his master's bidding. They've met AT the White House. Pedo Joe will have you believe it was to talk about the weather. If these cases don't shake you to the core that you've been lied to then nothing ever will.

Trump, innocent until proven guilty...that's so cute. Thanks for the smile.

Stogie1020
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2 years ago

^Half the country sees this. The other half wants so badly to see DJT in jail they don't care how it happens.

I really want(ed) Hillary to at least be sanctioned for spoliation if not jailed, but I was not willing to pervert our justice system to make it happen.

DrMaddVibe
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2 years ago

Stogie1020 wrote:

Let me see if I can help clarify her case a bit...she kept a private server which is illegal on its own. She had a private email address as well. So, can you see how one could conduct ANY business...legal or illegal with no repercussions, no oversight and free from FOIA requests! When the jig was found out, she was asked to produce the server and phones under a court order. The server wasn't just wiped clean but the world was introduced to a product called bleachbit. The drives were rendered useless. The phones? SIM chips absent and phones smashed with hammers. Did I mention that the server itself wasn't even in a secure environment. It was in a closet! There is NO DOUBT that the CCP, Russians, DPRK and a slew of others had hacked into this server. The destruction was due to her running guns and munitions in Libya that got a US ambassador and a nation's leader killed and the links to that.

About that same timeline was this case to show the hypocrisy.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/20/us-navy-sailor-jailed-for-taking-photos-of-classified-areas-of-nuclear-submarine

Hillary Clinton deserved to be behind bars.

Burner02
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2 years ago

Stogie1020 wrote:

Evidently, you are a reasonable individual, but on the flip side it is amazing how many on the left are willing to destroy our country and what it stands for due to their hatred for one person.

rfenst
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2 years ago

#10

I went into the trial thinking Trump was guilty. At this point if I was on the jury I would vote not guilty based on the law. I have reasonable doubt.

Speyside2 wrote:

Have you seen all the evidence and listened to all the testimony in person? No.

Has the prosecution even had its redirect yet? No.

Has the judge instructed the jury on the law of the case yet? No.

Has the defense rested its case and moved for judgement of acquittal yet? No.

I am not saying you are wrong, but none of us has full information.

Just sayin'...

HockeyDad
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2 years ago

#11

rfenst wrote:

I think we all get the concept of “election interference”.

jeebling
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2 years ago

#12

Speyside2 wrote:

I got schooled on what fraud is from rfenst. It was the thread about White House and FED bank. This forum is a good place for me to learn about the assumptions I make and the opinions I accept w/o challenging them.

jeebling
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2 years ago

#13

rfenst wrote:

rfenst, what is the order of operations on which side rests its case first? Yes, I could do a net search but that doesn’t always serve well.

Abrignac
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2 years ago

#14

rfenst wrote:

Trump is accused of falsely booking a payoff as legal fees. However, there has been ZERO testimony that proves Trump KNOWINGLY gave Cohen money with the specific purpose to buy her silence. How do I know this? Because if there were such testimony or evidence the left-wing media would be reporting it ad nauseam. But they aren’t. Absent that he did ABSOLUTELY nothing illegal.

If they had even a silver of a case they wouldn’t have risked muddying the waters with the jury with all the salacious testimony that had absolutely nothing to do with the charges at hand. In fact the only reason for such testimony was to attempt to embarrass Trump and taint the jury.

Edited by user 2 years ago | Reason: Not specified

frankj1
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2 years ago

#15

might be wrong Anth, but my guess is all the salacious testimony was due to Trump denying he had sex with her...I think if that were true there would have been no need to buy her silence.

Abrignac
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2 years ago

#16

might be wrong Anth, but my guess is all the salacious testimony was due to Trump denying he had sex with her...I think if that were true there would have been no need to buy her silence.

frankj1 wrote:

Doesn’t really matter what anyone thinks. Proof beyond reasonable doubt is the threshold. At the end of the day it was an attempt by the DA to influence the election. Exactly what he put Trump on trial for allegedly doing. My guess it’s going to hurt Democrats, not Trump.

jeebling
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2 years ago

#17

Abrignac wrote:

100%

MaduroJorge
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2 years ago

#18

When the Political Retribution Kangaroo Court Trial is over
I hope Trump moves to disbar DA Bragg and staff, and impeach
Judge Merchan.

jeebling
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2 years ago

#19

MaduroJorge, in addition, I hope Trump utilizes Ramaswamy to radically downsize government. When I say radical, I don’t mean partisan exploitation. In a radical downsizing I mean going to the root. Ramaswamy has said he would layoff enormous tranches in the federal government. I’d also like to see several executive departments decommissioned in this radical downsizing. For example, the Department of Education. I usually get the question, “Why do you hate children?”. If I hated children, I would call for an increase of funding for the Department of Education and enlarge their scope of authority. It is because I’m concerned about our children’s welfare that I would like to see the department decommissioned. States are at the mercy of quid pro quo to get the strings attached block grants which are funded by the taxes the federal government gets from the individual states. At least that is how block grants are supposed to be funded.

An example of thinly veiled social justice Marxist ideology:

“Unbounded Learning, Inc. will launch their Reading Reimagined project to provide professional learning to grades 2-5 teachers. The project covers foundational literacy, language variation and style shifting, lesson plans, and job-embedded coaching to prepare teachers to provide differentiated instruction designed to help students “style shift” to General American English (GAE). This grantee has partnered with the University of California-Irvine and the American Institutes for Research.“

https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/biden-harris-administration-announces-277-million-education-innovation-and-research-grants-help-address-academic-recovery

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Abrignac
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2 years ago

#20

Though gutting federal agencies is a popular rallying call doing so isn’t without peril.

Unlike other nations which are essentially single state entities we are a union of 50 individual states. So we have to look at things a little differently. Instead of acting like individual states we are united in a single cause. So it makes sense that certain basic services should be available to every US citizen. The only way to do that is to have a federal agency creating a framework that includes input of all the states to ensure that every citizen regardless of domicile has at least similar access. Otherwise the union really serves no purpose.

The problem as I see it isn’t necessarily a need to do away with all federal agencies but to reimagine them as the hub of ideas put forth from the several states for the greater good. Instead they function as fiefdoms dictating to the very people whom they should be listening to for ideas. It reminds me of IT departments I’ve dealt with in the past. Instead of listening to the users telling them what they need to do their job, they have forced the end users to use what’s supplied to even if the proposed solution creates more problems than it solves.

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