MaduroJorge
2 years ago
Jeebling I agree
Dismantle the Jimmy Carter Monster or downsize it and let other more sane Agencies handle
their duties, maybe even Congress.
State and Local agencies should dictate what morals and general curriculum we teach
our children not the mostly Socialist/Leftist Bureaucrats.
You are right. They bribe Local schools with Block grants to do their bidding.
rfenst
2 years ago
I call for total anarchy.
Speyside2
2 years ago
The federal government needs downsized, their power needs to be properly set for today's world. If instantly disbanded or downsized the following depression worldwide will make the great depression seem like a walk in the park. There simply would be an overwhelming number of people unemployed. Perhaps we could downsize the federal government by 5% a year until it is 25% of its present size. That would take 20 years, it would be painful but perhaps doable. As far as what their powers should be, the original concept should be kept in principle but revised to work in the world today. A flat tax rate with no other attachments should be created, so no games can be played. Once our debt is gone the tax rate should be lowered to cover annual expenditures and build a bit of a buffer.

Also, simple, straight forward laws for contributions to campaigns need to be set. These need to create total transparency, stop corporate contributions, and limit contribution size. Conceptually there will be no packs or any type of dark money.

Certainly, much more than other areas need fixed, such as our borders.

Just my generalized thoughts.
DrMaddVibe
2 years ago

might be wrong Anth, but my guess is all the salacious testimony was due to Trump denying he had sex with her...I think if that were true there would have been no need to buy her silence.

frankj1 wrote:




Michael Cohen’s ex-lawyer tells Congress Trump ‘fixer’ lied about ‘hush money’ — and that former prez knew nothing



An attorney who formerly represented Donald Trump’s onetime personal lawyer Michael Cohen told House lawmakers Wednesday that Cohen lied about “hush money” payments to porn star Stormy Daniels — having previously insisted the 45th president was not involved in the transaction.

Robert Costello, a former Manhattan federal prosecutor, revealed to the House Select Subcommittee on the Weaponization of the Federal Government that key points of Cohen’s recent testimony against Trump in Manhattan Criminal Court were false.

Federal prosecutors charged Cohen in 2018 with violating federal campaign finance law by making the $130,000 payment to Daniels, and he later was sentenced to three years in prison for that crime, as well as tax evasion and making false statements to a bank.

The legal jeopardy pushed Cohen to the brink of suicide, but Costello told committee members his then-client insisted at least 10 times: “I swear to God, Bob, I don’t have anything on Donald Trump.”

Costello emphasized that prosecutors were asking for “truthful information that would implicate Donald Trump” to “get [Cohen] out his legal trouble by the end of the week — if he cooperated against Donald Trump.”

Those payments occurred in 2017, but prosecutors have argued the case constituted a “criminal scheme to corrupt the 2016 election.”

Costello told subcommittee members he had convinced Cohen to cooperate after his client had been “seriously contemplating jumping off” the roof of the Loews Regency Hotel on Park Avenue, though Costello claimed Cohen expressed skepticism about the “hush money” allegations from the start.

Cohen later told him he had concocted the “catch and kill” scheme to hide Daniels’ story that she had engaged in an affair years earlier with the married then-candidate, which “would be embarrassing for Trump, and especially [wife] Melania [Trump], so he decided to take care of it himself.”

“Cohen then explained that, for that reason, he negotiated the sum of $130,000 in exchange for the [non-disclosure agreement with Daniels],” Costello said. “When asked if Trump had any knowledge of this, Cohen told me no. When asked whether Cohen got the $130,000 from Trump or any Trump entity or friend, Cohen again said no.”

Cohen testified in court this week that he took out a home equity line of credit loan to buy Daniels’ silence — and keep his own wife in the dark about the amount.

Cohen also denied that he informed Costello — who testified before the Manhattan grand jury that indicted Trump — about the former president’s knowledge of the payment.

Cohen testified this week he kept that information from Costello out of fear that the lawyer would “immediately run back” to another of his then-clients — Rudy Giuliani, the former mayor of New York City and personal lawyer to Trump — to share that information.

Costello said Wednesday the whole of Cohen’s testimony constituted a “revenge tour” against Trump after Cohen lost his law license and spent a year in federal prison before serving out the rest of his sentence in home confinement during the COVID-19 pandemic.

“Michael Cohen is simply not a credible man,” Costello concluded.


In an appearance on Fox News’ “America’s Newsroom” Thursday morning, Costello said that he was later interviewed by federal prosecutors and FBI agents after waiving his attorney-client privilege with Cohen.


“That’s a lesson the Manhattan DA’s office should’ve learned — but they haven’t learned it yet,” he added.

Costello also said Bragg’s office had been “trying to shut me down” during his grand jury testimony last year after he shared with them exculpatory material for the case, including between 200 and 300 emails and text messages with Cohen.

But prosecutors “cherry-picked” that exculpatory material for “two to three” pieces of evidence, he added, describing the rest of the files as “hearsay.”

“You know, and I know, but the grand jurors don’t know, that business records are an exception to the hearsay rule,” Costello said he explained to them, while adding that even hearsay is admissible in grand jury proceedings.

https://nypost.com/2024/05/16/us-news/michael-cohens-ex-lawyer-tells-congress-trump-fixer-lied-about-hush-money-and-that-former-prez-knew-nothing/ 
Mr. Jones
2 years ago
Much ado about nothing...

CNN anchor Anderson Cooper was day dreaming about deeeek and didn't pay attention to cohen's testimony....Cohen is telling da' troooof and stuff..
jeebling
2 years ago

The federal government needs downsized, their power needs to be properly set for today's world. If instantly disbanded or downsized the following depression worldwide will make the great depression seem like a walk in the park. There simply would be an overwhelming number of people unemployed. Perhaps we could downsize the federal government by 5% a year until it is 25% of its present size. That would take 20 years, it would be painful but perhaps doable. As far as what their powers should be, the original concept should be kept in principle but revised to work in the world today. A flat tax rate with no other attachments should be created, so no games can be played. Once our debt is gone the tax rate should be lowered to cover annual expenditures and build a bit of a buffer.

Also, simple, straight forward laws for contributions to campaigns need to be set. These need to create total transparency, stop corporate contributions, and limit contribution size. Conceptually there will be no packs or any type of dark money.

Certainly, much more than other areas need fixed, such as our borders.

Just my generalized thoughts.

Speyside2 wrote:



I don’t know how downsizing government would cause a global depression. These people joining the work force and some of them setting up small businesses would add to GDP. Government purchases add to GDP but government salaries do not add as much to GDP as any other category of labor and you have to consider that they don’t produce anything. Many of the federal workers, a percentage that is hopefully small, will be hired into state governments that will need to fill in services as they see fit at their local level rather than federal level. I can get with a plan that downsizes 25% of government in 4 years, but I can’t get with a plan that takes 20 years. I’m not following the math on 5% over 20 years to achieve a 75% reduction, but 20 years is too long in my opinion. I’m not saying your opinion is “wrong” but rather just saying I have a different opinion.
Abrignac
2 years ago

I don’t know how downsizing government would cause a global depression. These people joining the work force and some of them setting up small businesses would add to GDP. Government purchases add to GDP but government salaries do not add as much to GDP as any other category of labor and you have to consider that they don’t produce anything. Many of the federal workers, a percentage that is hopefully small, will be hired into state governments that will need to fill in services as they see fit at their local level rather than federal level. I can get with a plan that downsizes 25% of government in 4 years, but I can’t get with a plan that takes 20 years. I’m not following the math on 5% over 20 years to achieve a 75% reduction, but 20 years is too long in my opinion. I’m not saying your opinion is “wrong” but rather just saying I have a different opinion.

jeebling wrote:



As of September 2023 there are 2.95 million government workers. So your plan of reducing the number of government workers by 25% over 4 years means laying off 544,000 people each year. At the current rate of unemployment that number would increase unemployment by 10%. You may want to reconsider.
jeebling
2 years ago

As of September 2023 there are 2.95 million government workers. So your plan of reducing the number of government workers by 25% over 4 years means laying off 544,000 people each year. At the current rate of unemployment that number would increase unemployment by 10%. You may want to reconsider.

Abrignac wrote:



No. I’m aware of the temporary surge in unemployment that will result. This is like deficit spending and printing money…we will stop doing it when we can afford it. We need these changed now in my opinion.
JGKAMIN
2 years ago

No. I’m aware of the temporary surge in unemployment that will result. This is like deficit spending and printing money…we will stop doing it when we can afford it. We need these changed now in my opinion.

jeebling wrote:


And let’s not forget that there will be quite a few retirements in that timeframe with positions left vacant in their absence. When the Donald won the first time he had a short hiring freeze (and long thaw), with the exception of military and other positions national security or public safety responsibilities, that trimmed some useless fat and the government somehow survived.
rfenst
2 years ago
It would have to be done slowly so that the effect to the economy is minimized during and after the adjustment period. This would take like 10 years, IMO.
Speyside2
2 years ago
Each time you do a 5% downsize, the 5% the next is 5% less, this is additive. I did not run the exact numbers. 20 years is an estimate that will be reasonably close, Robert, you may be correct. The numbers would need great study to determine the correct number of years. This should be done by the world's best economists.
jeebling
2 years ago
I think you gents are 100% correct that a radical downsizing has a much greater impact on the short term economy. Conversely, the longer we wait the greater the impact on long term economy. Certainly this should be studied before implementing. I can’t deny the validity of your arguments. I think I’m just willing to be Draconian and deal with the consequences immediately.
If we reduce 5% per year for 10 years additive I believe that is a 43% reduction. That could be a working compromise but in reality I know it would be a non-starter. If I were king for a day, I’d start by cutting out the services I think the federal government should not be funding and go from there. Those are just my rambling thoughts on the fantasy.
rfenst
2 years ago

Each time you do a 5% downsize, the 5% the next is 5% less, this is additive. I did not run the exact numbers. 20 years is an estimate that will be reasonably close, Robert, you may be correct. The numbers would need great study to determine the correct number of years. This should be done by the world's best economists.

Speyside2 wrote:


I cannot imagine their are not groups of economists who have already gamed/guesstimated stuff like this out.

IMO, a 5% hit in the first year is too risky. Should be a smaller amount gradually ending with 5%. Reverse order. That's all.
HockeyDad
2 years ago
Cut all the “non-essential” heavily and immediately.

There are plenty of private sector jobs that can absorb them. The problem with that is the private sector expects results.
Abrignac
2 years ago
The prosecution star witness that keeps giving……..to the defense.

This morning Cohen testified that he stole $50,000 from the Trump organization.

He also testified that he told multiple members of the media that Trump didn’t know anything about the hush money payments. So if Trump didn’t know about the payments then he isn’t guilty of trying to influence the election by making hush money payments.

The more this case drags out the more it looks like nothing more than the DA falsely accusing Trump of a crime to put him on trial so he instead of Trump can influence the outcome of an election. Sounds like Bragg, the Soros backed DA, needs to be the person on trial for trying to influence an election.
rfenst
2 years ago
I came across this article this morning:


A Trump Conviction Doesn’t Hang on Michael Cohen


NYT/GUEST ESSAY By Jeffrey Toobin

The Manhattan district attorney’s case against Donald Trump has unfolded like a north-of-the-border telenovela, with lurid tales of sex, spankings, hush money and silk pajamas, as well as the occasional detour into the editorial practices of supermarket tabloids. But the case, provocative as it has been, may turn on something a great deal more mundane than the testimony.

The key question the jurors will soon be considering is a straightforward one: Did the former president “cause” the creation of false business records? The prosecution has answered half of that question. There’s no reason to doubt the records were false. But the verdict is likely to turn on the other half — whether Mr. Trump caused the false information to appear on the invoices and vouchers. The evidence there is murkier.


According to the prosecution, on the eve of the 2016 election, Michael Cohen, Mr. Trump’s onetime lawyer and fixer, paid $130,000 to Stormy Daniels, the porn star, to guarantee her silence about a tryst she and Mr. Trump allegedly had a decade earlier. Mr. Trump then reimbursed Mr. Cohen for his outlay, plus a bonus and additional funds for taxes. The business records of those payments to Mr. Cohen called each one a retainer for legal services, rather than what they were: a reimbursement for the hush money paid to Ms. Daniels.

The prosecution has done an excellent job of proving these details. Was the information on the documents false? Absolutely. Several witnesses support the government’s claim that Mr. Trump’s payments to the lawyer were not legal fees. Mr. Trump himself tweeted in 2018 that Mr. Cohen received a “reimbursement” and said as much in a White House financial disclosure form.

The government also introduced a document in the handwriting of Allen Weisselberg, the former chief financial officer of the Trump Organization, detailing the reimbursement scheme. Mr. Cohen laid out his own money — $130,000 to Ms. Daniels and about $50,000 in another expense. Mr. Weisselberg jotted that the reimbursement would break down as $180,000 in income to Mr. Cohen, $180,000 to cover Mr. Cohen’s taxes, and a $60,000 bonus. The total of $420,000 was exactly what Mr. Cohen received in 11 checks. The prosecution also made a strong showing that the payoff to Ms. Daniels was designed, above all, to help Mr. Trump win the 2016 election. That’s especially important in this case because if the jury finds that Mr. Trump was motivated to violate election laws, that elevates his crime from a misdemeanor to a felony.

Mr. Trump’s defense team barely disputed this evidence.
At times his lawyers seemed to be trying harder to please their client than to win their case. In cross-examining Ms. Daniels, Susan Necheles did a fine job of showing Ms. Daniels’s anger at Mr. Trump and her financial interest in a conviction in this case. But then Ms. Necheles began a long and unpersuasive attempt to show that Ms. Daniels was lying about the underlying sexual encounter. Ms. Daniels’s story of that night was solid, including such details as her whacking Mr. Trump with a magazine when he condescended to her and his louche outfit when she arrived at his hotel room. “Does Hugh Hefner know you stole his pajamas?” she recalled asking Mr. Trump. (Mr. Trump denies having an affair with Ms. Daniels.)

Given the structure of the case, it almost doesn’t matter whether the two had sex in 2006, which made the defense assault on Ms. Daniels even more unnecessary. All that the jurors needed to know was that her story, true or not, represented a threat to Mr. Trump’s 2016 campaign, and that’s why he wanted to pay to shut her up.

The prosecution went to a great deal of effort to prove that Mr. Trump, notwithstanding his great wealth, was a tightwad who kept a close eye on every expenditure. The jury heard quotes from Mr. Trump’s own book recounting how he personally signed his own checks. In an email, an assistant brought up the purchase of something as minor as a picture frame for “about $650 minus %15 discount. Does DJT want to spend that much?”

This testimony was aimed at shoring up the principal weakness in the government’s case. The defense has argued that while Mr. Trump signed the checks to Mr. Cohen, there was no direct evidence that he knew about how those payments were recorded by the bookkeepers at the Trump Organization. He had no reason to check how the payments were categorized.

This is where Mr. Cohen’s testimony was vital. The three days he spent on the stand so far resembled a prose opera of love, betrayal and revenge. Mr. Cohen said that Mr. Trump knew about a plan to lie about the payments and described how he prepared invoices that falsely characterized the payments as legal fees, even though both men knew that the payments were reimbursements. If the jury believes Mr. Cohen, despite a brutal cross-examination that underlined his history of lying, then conviction is almost assured.

But even if the jury writes off Mr. Cohen or discounts his testimony, the government can still prove its case. Under the law, Mr. Trump can be convicted if he “caused” the false records to be created. The jury has to believe that Mr. Trump knew any documents characterizing the payments as legal fees were false.

The government has argued that Mr. Trump couldn’t have missed at least some of the false statements, because the word “Retainer” was on the stubs attached to the checks he signed. That’s a persuasive argument because someone as penurious as Mr. Trump surely would not spend $420,000 without knowing the reason, and thus he had to know that records describing those expenditures another way were false.

Juries surprise — sometimes. This one, especially with two lawyers on it, is likely to be fastidious about examining the evidence and following the law. Despite the sensational surrounding drama, the issue for these 12 Manhattanites is likely to come down to the prosaic business of invoices and vouchers, and how they came to tell a story that was different from the one that actually happened.
DrMaddVibe
2 years ago
"You Stole From The Trump Organization, Correct?": Michael Cohen Hands Trump Prosecution Another Terrible Day



Prosecutors in Donald Trump's New York 'hush money' trial may have colluded with the Biden administration, but apparently none of the galaxy brains involved thought far enough to consider that their star witness, Michael Cohen, might cause their 'case' to implode.

To wit: last week, Cohen was 'dog walked' through several lies he's told over the past few years.
Brand logo

Today: Cohen admitted he stole from the Trump Organization.

During cross-examination, Cohen admitted that he lied to former Trump Organization CFO Allen Weisselberg in 2017 about how much he needed to be reimbursed for a payment to RedFinch, a tech company that provided services to the Trump Org.

While he asked for $50,000, Cohen only paid the company $20,000 - pocketing the difference.

"You stole from the Trump Organization, correct?" defense attorney Todd Blanche asked.

"Yes sir," Cohen replied.

This just got interesting: Michael Cohen is now admitting to stealing money from our company.
— Eric Trump (@EricTrump) May 20, 2024

When Blanche then asked if he ever repaid the Trump Organization, or "Did you ever have to plead guilty to larceny?" Cohen replied, "No sir."

Nonetheless, Cohen asked for the 50K reimbursement from the Trump Organization.

So you stole? Yes, Cohen admits.
And you've never paid the Trump Organization back for the money you stole from it? No.
You lied to Weisselberg about the amount owed to you for Redfinch? Yes
— Anna Bower (@AnnaBower) May 20, 2024

Cohen had asked for the $50,000 reimbursement alongside the $130,000 he paid personally to Stormy Daniels ahead of the 2016 election for a nondisclosure agreement.

The former attorney then said he went to the bank and took out cash over several days, totaling about $20,000 before keeping it in a small brown paper bag. Then he gave it to the tech firm, he testified, adding he never gave the full $50,000 amount.

The Trump Organization ultimately repaid Mr. Cohen $50,000 and then doubled that payment in a practice known as “grossing up” to cover taxes he’d incur by declaring the money as income rather than a tax-free reimbursement.

Mr. Blanche noted that despite Mr. Cohen’s guilty pleas in 2018 to federal charges including a campaign finance violation for the hush money payment and unrelated tax evasion and bank fraud crimes, he’d never been charged with stealing from President Trump’s company. -Epoch Times

They really aren't sending their best...

https://t.co/omudhKMfuY 
— Sara A. Carter (@SaraCarterDC) May 20, 2024

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/you-stole-trump-organization-correct-michael-cohen-hands-trump-prosecution-another 


Lied and stole from his former "boss". Wow, you can discredit his entire existence as a bitter jaded marauder that vowed revenge because he wasn't going to DC. Like he ever had a shot as AG or Trump's personal advisor! I told this entire board these cases were about nothingburgers. Even IF they get a conviction it would've been appealed and countersued and he would win big. 3 of the 4 judges were elected on promises to convict Trump. The 4th was appointed by Trump and knows the game Jack Smith and his creepy shady lawfare partners are playing.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/judge-trump-case-says-shes-concerned-special-counsel-jack-smith [/i]

The sad part is that even here, there are people that haven't wised up to the game he's playing. Still swearing he's guilty. Still saying he needs to be behind bars.
Abrignac
2 years ago
Is this the same Jeffery Toobin that got caught beating his deek during a Zoom meeting?



I came across this article this morning:


A Trump Conviction Doesn’t Hang on Michael Cohen


NYT/GUEST ESSAY By Jeffrey Toobin

The Manhattan district attorney’s case against Donald Trump has unfolded like a north-of-the-border telenovela, with lurid tales of sex, spankings, hush money and silk pajamas, as well as the occasional detour into the editorial practices of supermarket tabloids. But the case, provocative as it has been, may turn on something a great deal more mundane than the testimony.

The key question the jurors will soon be considering is a straightforward one: Did the former president “cause” the creation of false business records? The prosecution has answered half of that question. There’s no reason to doubt the records were false. But the verdict is likely to turn on the other half — whether Mr. Trump caused the false information to appear on the invoices and vouchers. The evidence there is murkier.


According to the prosecution, on the eve of the 2016 election, Michael Cohen, Mr. Trump’s onetime lawyer and fixer, paid $130,000 to Stormy Daniels, the porn star, to guarantee her silence about a tryst she and Mr. Trump allegedly had a decade earlier. Mr. Trump then reimbursed Mr. Cohen for his outlay, plus a bonus and additional funds for taxes. The business records of those payments to Mr. Cohen called each one a retainer for legal services, rather than what they were: a reimbursement for the hush money paid to Ms. Daniels.

The prosecution has done an excellent job of proving these details. Was the information on the documents false? Absolutely. Several witnesses support the government’s claim that Mr. Trump’s payments to the lawyer were not legal fees. Mr. Trump himself tweeted in 2018 that Mr. Cohen received a “reimbursement” and said as much in a White House financial disclosure form.

The government also introduced a document in the handwriting of Allen Weisselberg, the former chief financial officer of the Trump Organization, detailing the reimbursement scheme. Mr. Cohen laid out his own money — $130,000 to Ms. Daniels and about $50,000 in another expense. Mr. Weisselberg jotted that the reimbursement would break down as $180,000 in income to Mr. Cohen, $180,000 to cover Mr. Cohen’s taxes, and a $60,000 bonus. The total of $420,000 was exactly what Mr. Cohen received in 11 checks. The prosecution also made a strong showing that the payoff to Ms. Daniels was designed, above all, to help Mr. Trump win the 2016 election. That’s especially important in this case because if the jury finds that Mr. Trump was motivated to violate election laws, that elevates his crime from a misdemeanor to a felony.

Mr. Trump’s defense team barely disputed this evidence.
At times his lawyers seemed to be trying harder to please their client than to win their case. In cross-examining Ms. Daniels, Susan Necheles did a fine job of showing Ms. Daniels’s anger at Mr. Trump and her financial interest in a conviction in this case. But then Ms. Necheles began a long and unpersuasive attempt to show that Ms. Daniels was lying about the underlying sexual encounter. Ms. Daniels’s story of that night was solid, including such details as her whacking Mr. Trump with a magazine when he condescended to her and his louche outfit when she arrived at his hotel room. “Does Hugh Hefner know you stole his pajamas?” she recalled asking Mr. Trump. (Mr. Trump denies having an affair with Ms. Daniels.)

Given the structure of the case, it almost doesn’t matter whether the two had sex in 2006, which made the defense assault on Ms. Daniels even more unnecessary. All that the jurors needed to know was that her story, true or not, represented a threat to Mr. Trump’s 2016 campaign, and that’s why he wanted to pay to shut her up.

The prosecution went to a great deal of effort to prove that Mr. Trump, notwithstanding his great wealth, was a tightwad who kept a close eye on every expenditure. The jury heard quotes from Mr. Trump’s own book recounting how he personally signed his own checks. In an email, an assistant brought up the purchase of something as minor as a picture frame for “about $650 minus %15 discount. Does DJT want to spend that much?”

This testimony was aimed at shoring up the principal weakness in the government’s case. The defense has argued that while Mr. Trump signed the checks to Mr. Cohen, there was no direct evidence that he knew about how those payments were recorded by the bookkeepers at the Trump Organization. He had no reason to check how the payments were categorized.

This is where Mr. Cohen’s testimony was vital. The three days he spent on the stand so far resembled a prose opera of love, betrayal and revenge. Mr. Cohen said that Mr. Trump knew about a plan to lie about the payments and described how he prepared invoices that falsely characterized the payments as legal fees, even though both men knew that the payments were reimbursements. If the jury believes Mr. Cohen, despite a brutal cross-examination that underlined his history of lying, then conviction is almost assured.

But even if the jury writes off Mr. Cohen or discounts his testimony, the government can still prove its case. Under the law, Mr. Trump can be convicted if he “caused” the false records to be created. The jury has to believe that Mr. Trump knew any documents characterizing the payments as legal fees were false.

The government has argued that Mr. Trump couldn’t have missed at least some of the false statements, because the word “Retainer” was on the stubs attached to the checks he signed. That’s a persuasive argument because someone as penurious as Mr. Trump surely would not spend $420,000 without knowing the reason, and thus he had to know that records describing those expenditures another way were false.

Juries surprise — sometimes. This one, especially with two lawyers on it, is likely to be fastidious about examining the evidence and following the law. Despite the sensational surrounding drama, the issue for these 12 Manhattanites is likely to come down to the prosaic business of invoices and vouchers, and how they came to tell a story that was different from the one that actually happened.

rfenst wrote:

rfenst
2 years ago

Is this the same Jeffery Toobin that got caught beating his deek during a Zoom meeting?

Abrignac wrote:


Yeah, I am pretty sure it's him.
Read what I highlighted. It's pretty much straight legal analysis about evidence and witnesses.
Abrignac
2 years ago

Yeah, I am pretty sure it's him.
Read what I highlighted. It's pretty much straight legal analysis about evidence and witnesses.

rfenst wrote:



Actually it refers to public domain information that may or may not be included in evidence presented at trial.
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