jpotts
15 years ago
Next thing they'll say is that their dog ate the REAL documentation.

While I'm normally not one to believe in conspiracy theories, I'm going to go on-record to say that there may be something to this whole "birther" thing.

I've had a copy of my birth certificate since before I was married, as did my wife. Before that, our parents had validated copies of our birth certificates. We keep them in a secure place because - believe it or not - you can't do certain things without one...like getting a marriage license.

Yet this guy who is Ivy League edumacated, and been in politics for well over a decade doesn't have a certified copy of his birth certificate?

How did he get married to his wife without a copy of his birth certificate?

How did he get a license to drive a vehicle (as, according to his interviews during the campaign, he talked of owning American cars)?

I'm a frickin' nobody - I've got a frickin' birth certificate. I've had the same frickin' one since the 1970s.
Double D
15 years ago
Let's see...no long-form birth certificate released, no passport info released, no college transcripts released, no college documents released.....something's fishy here!!!!

lulz =d>

DD™
Quik
15 years ago
Holy jesus....just be honest morons....there is a black guy in the white house!!!! I do"nt know what to do!!!! Quit ur bitching about the stupid birth certificate...Those of us from Cali and NY would be real quick to dismiss the rubes from the bible belt....but you don"t see me asking the dude in the overalls for ID....,I"m guessing from the lack of teeth hes from appalachia!....just stop...
snowwolf777
15 years ago
^Wow. Just two posts and you've established yourself as a douche.

I bet you're big-sh*t in all the area shpos

=d>
Whistlebritches
15 years ago

Holy jesus....just be honest morons....there is a black guy in the white house!!!! I do"nt know what to do!!!! Quit ur bitching about the stupid birth certificate...Those of us from Cali and NY would be real quick to dismiss the rubes from the bible belt....but you don"t see me asking the dude in the overalls for ID....,I"m guessing from the lack of teeth hes from appalachia!....just stop...

Quik wrote:




HE's BLACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Call out the dogs Martha.

I am also more than willing to dismiss those from cali and ny.........However I know not all of them are biggoted morons such as yourself.


Later Douchenozzle®
snowwolf777
15 years ago
He's a full two years behind on his Huffington Post talking points.
SteveS
15 years ago

Holy jesus....just be honest morons....there is a black guy in the white house!!!! I do"nt know what to do!!!! Quit ur bitching about the stupid birth certificate...Those of us from Cali and NY would be real quick to dismiss the rubes from the bible belt....but you don"t see me asking the dude in the overalls for ID....,I"m guessing from the lack of teeth hes from appalachia!....just stop...

Quik wrote:



is that you, Richard ?? why this latest new ID ?
Whistlebritches
15 years ago

is that you, Richard ?? why this latest new ID ?

SteveS wrote:




I agree this is someone we all probably no and hate......hence the new handle.I've only seen one other TRUE NOOB be that big of an azzbag by post #2.Anyone remember TAPOUT????The LEGEND......in his own mind.What a POS.........


Ron
Kawak
15 years ago
Now let’s see…. Let’s weigh the balances. On the birther side of the issue we have this:

1. Obama’s father was Kenyan and the supreme court has already set a precident that to be natural born – as the constitution demands of U.S. presidents, both parents must be American Citizens.
2. Obama lived in Indonesia when that country did not allow duel citizenship, so his mother would have had to renounce hers and Obama’s, and once lost, natural born status can never be reinstated.
3. On Youtube are videos, including a BBC interview, in which Obama’s grandmother said she witnessed Obama’s birth in Kenya.
4. the prime Minister of Kenya spoke in a video on youtube of erecting a statue in Kenya to celebrate one of their own citizens becoming a US president.
5. During the election, rep John Richardson, a democrat and Obama supporter, called Obama “an immigrant” (talking about how rich America was with opportunity)
6. When Obama ran for congress in Illinois, papers reported him as being from Kenya.
7. In a debate for Illinois senate with Alan Keyes, when keys brought up that Obama wasn;t born in the U.S., Obama said, “I’m running for senate, not president.” (see the video on youtube)
8. Youtube video shows Michelle Obama at a function referring to Kenya as Obama’s home country.
9. Public court records show manifestly Obama’s lawyers fighting disclosure.

On the Obama’s defenders’ side of the issue we have this:

1. the ‘certificate of live birth” which proves nothing as anyone can get it, that the democrats rejected from john McCain, demanding instead his long form birth certificate as evidence.
2. Newspaper announcements of obama’s birth that would have been procedurally generated automatically upon request for the certification of live birth.
3. “Obots” mocking “birthers”

Now read all that again.

Only an idiot would be stupid enough to believe that there is nothing questionable about obama’s citizenship issue.
Whistlebritches
15 years ago

Now let’s see…. Let’s weigh the balances. On the birther side of the issue we have this:

1. Obama’s father was Kenyan and the supreme court has already set a precident that to be natural born – as the constitution demands of U.S. presidents, both parents must be American Citizens.
2. Obama lived in Indonesia when that country did not allow duel citizenship, so his mother would have had to renounce hers and Obama’s, and once lost, natural born status can never be reinstated.
3. On Youtube are videos, including a BBC interview, in which Obama’s grandmother said she witnessed Obama’s birth in Kenya.
4. the prime Minister of Kenya spoke in a video on youtube of erecting a statue in Kenya to celebrate one of their own citizens becoming a US president.
5. During the election, rep John Richardson, a democrat and Obama supporter, called Obama “an immigrant” (talking about how rich America was with opportunity)
6. When Obama ran for congress in Illinois, papers reported him as being from Kenya.
7. In a debate for Illinois senate with Alan Keyes, when keys brought up that Obama wasn;t born in the U.S., Obama said, “I’m running for senate, not president.” (see the video on youtube)
8. Youtube video shows Michelle Obama at a function referring to Kenya as Obama’s home country.
9. Public court records show manifestly Obama’s lawyers fighting disclosure.

On the Obama’s defenders’ side of the issue we have this:

1. the ‘certificate of live birth” which proves nothing as anyone can get it, that the democrats rejected from john McCain, demanding instead his long form birth certificate as evidence.
2. Newspaper announcements of obama’s birth that would have been procedurally generated automatically upon request for the certification of live birth.
3. “Obots” mocking “birthers”

Now read all that again.

Only an idiot would be stupid enough to believe that there is nothing questionable about obama’s citizenship issue.

Kawak wrote:




I truely believe there is something to this.We probably won't be enlightened til years after his reign.


Ron
jojoc
15 years ago
WOW!

GIVE IT UP!

So, the "Certificate of Live Birth" is not valid proof of birth? Why? Because it is a summary of the info. on file with the Dept. of Vital Records, issued and certified by the Dept. of Vital Records vs. the actual certificate filled out by the Dr.? BS!

I have in the last few years completed two international adoptions. For those who do not know much about the process, it is a VERY involved process, requiring approval from the Dept. of Homeland Security and the Dept. of State, where you have to prove you are a US Citizen. It also requires a valid US Passport for travel. It requires approval of the foreign country as well, where the US Birth Certificate not only has to be a Certified Copy from the State, it must be verified and authenticated by the US Secretary of State.

Do you know what form I used to accomplish all of this? The "Certificate of Live Birth" issued to my by the State of California. If this is all I have, does it mean that I really was not born in Calif.? I am not a US Citizen because I can not produce a "long-form" birth certificate? All I have is the "worthless" piece of paper know as a "Certificate of Live Birth".

Well lets see .......
that worthless piece of paper was accepted by the the Dept. of State to issue a US Passport
that worthless piece of paper was authenticated and verified by the US Secretary of State as proof of US Citizenship for a foreign government
that worthless piece of paper was accepted by the Dept. of Homeland Security for processing our application for a US Visa for a foreign orphan
that worthless piece of paper was accepted by a foreign government as proof of my US Citizenship
that worthless piece of paper was accepted by the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services to establish that my adopted child became a US citizen upon completion of the foreign adoption and entry into the US.

Hmmmmm........... Maybe a "Certificate of Live Birth" issued by the state Dept. of Vital Statistics is actually what it claims to be --- proof of birth within the state that is accepted by both our federal government and foreign governments.

Now, I have 2 children who were born in a foreign country. As stated above, sometimes in life it is necessary, or at least very helpful, to have a US Birth certificate (passports, licenses, school registration,etc.). I was able to apply for and obtain a State of Idaho birth certificate for my foreign born children. However, the title of the document is not a "Certificate of Live Birth", it is a "Certificate of Foreign Birth", but accomplishes all of the same purposes of a "Birth Certificate". I don't really know anything about Hawaii's laws, but my guess is that they have a similar form for children of US Citizens who are born abroad vs. a child born within the state.


Like it or not, that "certificate of live birth" is legal proof of birth in the US. An authenticated copy obtained from the Dept. of Vital Records would be accepted any any court in the US as valid evidence of the official records of the Dept. of Vital Records.


BTW - I did not vote for BO. I do not like him. I do not think he is doing a very good job. I hope that he is not re-elected. I will not vote for him next time. So, my reason for dismissing the claims of the Birthers is not biased by my political leanings. The simple fact is he has produced and provided sufficient evidence and proof of his US Birth -- proof that is accepted by US Government agencies as valid proof of US Birth.


let it go!
dsmokers
15 years ago
Once you geniuses figure it all out, be sure and let the FBI, CIA, and IUD all know okay? Also tell us. You guys are so close to blowing the lid off of this whole thing. I envy you.
tailgater
15 years ago

Holy jesus....just be honest morons....there is a black guy in the white house!!!! I do"nt know what to do!!!! Quit ur bitching about the stupid birth certificate...Those of us from Cali and NY would be real quick to dismiss the rubes from the bible belt....but you don"t see me asking the dude in the overalls for ID....,I"m guessing from the lack of teeth hes from appalachia!....just stop...

Quik wrote:




Here it is only mid January and already we have a strong nomination for "Loser post of the year".

I'll assume that you're going for effect with your condemnation of anything anti-obama, but either way you've established that a debate is not within your capabilities so it's far easier to kick around the "racist" card.

Thanks for the laugh at your expense.


dsmokers
15 years ago
The new guy is clearly the racist here. We all know that how much you gentlemen just LOVE black people. Glad you all pointed him out.
snowwolf777
15 years ago
We interrupt this thread for a National Weather Service Attention Whore Alert ...

Kawak
15 years ago

Holy jesus....just be honest morons....there is a black guy in the white house!!!! I do"nt know what to do!!!! Quit ur bitching about the stupid birth certificate...Those of us from Cali and NY would be real quick to dismiss the rubes from the bible belt....but you don"t see me asking the dude in the overalls for ID....,I"m guessing from the lack of teeth hes from appalachia!....just stop...

Quik wrote:



I think one could argue that Cali and NY are now foriegn countries or at the very least "who knows what the F countries they are" now argument.
SteveS
15 years ago

I think one could argue that Cali and NY are now foriegn countries ...

Kawak wrote:



with Governor Moonbeam back in office, CA certainly is adding to that 'foreign' demeanor ... and am I the onlly one who thinks Nancy Pelosi has a strong resemblence to the space aliens associated with Roswell ??? ... add the foreign values espoused in the Peoples Republic of Berserkeley and it's tough to make the claim that we are not completely out of touch with mainstream America
dsmokers
15 years ago
evolution calling.
tailgater
15 years ago

The new guy is clearly the racist here. We all know that how much you gentlemen just LOVE black people. Glad you all pointed him out.

dsmokers wrote:



dsmokers,
whether you believe the birther crap on not has zero to do with racism, and is much more deeply rooted in partisan politics. Ask yourself this: if the president were a black republican, would these same people be calling him out?

Had the new guy, or you for that matter, based your slander on facts or even reasonable perceptions, then we could be a little less forward in our dismilssal of your blather.
But you have both instead chose to swing first and ask questions later. A technique, I might add, that is only safe from behind your keyboard. But you knew that.

So, Bravo for you..
You were once again able to lower our expectations of you, your intelligence, and even your character.


dsmokers
15 years ago
No tailgater. People don't like him because he's black and a muslim. grab your balls and stop denying what everyone already knows. Personally I feel that he was put in place just as planned. Earmarked for the past 15 years. half black, but not full black. just what we needed. You birthers (right or wrong who knows?) were an expected ripple, but your own ignorance and racism are the downfall of any true progress in moving forward with the issue.

In other words, the birthers may very well be right. But their clearly evident racism and hatred of muslims and blacks makes them easy to brush off as nitwits.
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