DrMaddVibe
14 years ago

I didn't realize I could get a job by standing in the street and yelling at the man..... πŸ€”

DrafterX wrote:







YES YOU CAN!




http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/gov/2618821815.html 
DrMaddVibe
14 years ago

Well . . . . .
I don’t think it pays too well.

Brewha wrote:




More than just laying around the living room doing chores, eh?

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Why, it'll have all the snickerdoodles going wild for that cash! Imagine all that dumping back into the American Economy...why Slow Joe would call it a 3 letter word!

J-O-B-S!


Hope and Change*























































*Hope and Change only applies to children that still believe in fairy tales, Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, Unicorns, pot o' gold at the end of the rainbow and protestors with no real message or cause.
FuzzNJ
14 years ago

Of course Snickerdoodles omitted this from his post!...

"Admin note: This is not an official list of demands. This is a forum post submitted by a single user and hyped by irresponsible news/commentary agencies like Fox News and Mises.org. This content was not published by the OccupyWallSt.org collective, nor was it ever proposed or agreed to on a consensus basis with the NYC General Assembly. There is NO official list of demands.

DrMaddVibe wrote:



It's not a 'list of demands', it's a statement of facts that they all agree must be addressed. It is official, was voted on by those in NYC and released. There are message boards where others can post their ideas as well as suggestions as well as being able to make suggestions on site. That's where the $20 minimum wage, free college education ideas came from, plus many more.

https://www.facebook.com/OccupyWallSt?sk=info 



These fools allow 10 celebrities with a combined wealth of 1.255 billion to "be one" of them. Real 99%'ers there. How do they make ends meet? Anyone see Kanye West bleeting out how George Bush hates black people? Hell, if anyone HATES black people the case could be made for the Kenyan King! Unemployment for Blacks has hit epic all time highs, but when you're wearing bling bling and sporting a wardrobe that costs a grand you want to keep it real with your peeps.

DrMaddVibe wrote:



I'm doing ok financially, yet I still agree with the protests for a number of reasons not the least of which is the system has become too corrupt and favors those at the top in a way that is detrimental to long term economic survival. We can't be strong without a strong middle class.

The President's 'peeps' are the American people. Black unemployment is too high and higher than other 'races'. Probably a better way to look at the situation is that the unemployment rate for college grads is around 5-6%, HS grads 9% and no HS diploma in the teens somewhere. (going from memory here) So it's back to the basics also, good education requiring tax dollars, and lots of other things not worth going into atm.



In order to make effective change you have to know exactly what it is you want to change. Your message MUST be clear.

Fill out the proper paperwork for permits.

Comply with all Federal, State and local laws.

Rent port-a-pottys...a stage and sound system so you can be seen and heard.

Leave the meeting place in a better state than when you found it.

DrMaddVibe wrote:



Yes, I've seen the pictures of tea party rallies where there was a portable toilet for each participant. C-Span covered this one 'rally' in DC with like 20 teabaggers and they had a stage and 20 toilets with guys guarding them. National coverage for this, all day.

Thousands of people in NYC, thousands more all over the country and now the world joining in these protests and you want to concentrate on whether or not they have body odor? Let's get them on C-Span first.
DrafterX
14 years ago





*Hope and Change only applies to children that still believe in fairy tales, Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, Unicorns, pot o' gold at the end of the rainbow and protestors with no real message or cause.

DrMaddVibe wrote:




what about the Keebler elves..?? πŸ˜•
DrMaddVibe
14 years ago

Let's get them on C-Span first.

FuzzNJ wrote:




Yes, let's. Just like the Kenyan King demanded!
DrMaddVibe
14 years ago

what about the Keebler elves..?? πŸ˜•

DrafterX wrote:



They're Corporate Whores!
DrafterX
14 years ago

They're Corporate Whores!

DrMaddVibe wrote:



😱
DrMaddVibe
14 years ago

It's not a 'list of demands', it's a statement of facts that they all agree must be addressed. It is official, was voted on by those in NYC and released. There are message boards where others can post their ideas as well as suggestions as well as being able to make suggestions on site. That's where the $20 minimum wage, free college education ideas came from, plus many more.

https://www.facebook.com/OccupyWallSt?sk=info 

FuzzNJ wrote:




Sorry you're following FB for up to the minute details...you could be better served by going to THE source.

http://occupywallst.org/ 

BANG BANG!
FuzzNJ
14 years ago
I'm enjoying the paranoia and descriptions of the protesters and their motives on display here. I read it, listen to it and watch it elsewhere also. It's so over the top and demonstrably false that it will only hurt your cause. If you would just discuss the issues you disagree with instead of trying to demonize these people, who have many of the same complaints you do, the 'right' would appear more credible.
Brewha
14 years ago
Why do I find the image of an elf whore disturbing?
:-k
DrMaddVibe
14 years ago

I'm enjoying the paranoia and descriptions of the protesters and their motives on display here. I read it, listen to it and watch it elsewhere also. It's so over the top and demonstrably false that it will only hurt your cause. If you would just discuss the issues you disagree with instead of trying to demonize these people, who have many of the same complaints you do, the 'right' would appear more credible.

FuzzNJ wrote:




Really?

It's all there out in the open on YouTube...images from Yahoo or Google.

Nothing is being said here that's different than the media is covering it.

This isn't "my cause". The OWS'ers don't have a cause. They're law breaking fools that are paid to be there to show the world what astroturf is.

Proof will be in the election cycle.

I seriously doubt the majority of the OWS'ers can wake up in time to cast a ballot or are even registered to vote.

There's no demonization going on. When you crap or paint on a cop car...you're going to get called out for it. When you and a mass of people play jazz hands and want sex with animals...you're going to be called out on it. When you want to sleep on the pavement and throw trash all over the place while your buddies beat on plastic pails 24/7...you're going to get called out on it.

Commit those acts in any other place besides under the nose of "America's Mayor" and you'd be arrested faster than you can blink.

BANG BANG!
DrMaddVibe
14 years ago

Why do I find the image of an elf whore disturbing?
:-k

Brewha wrote:




Caus you open up the cookie and eat the frosting first...doncha?=p~ [whip] [frypan]
FuzzNJ
14 years ago

Really?

It's all there out in the open on YouTube...images from Yahoo or Google.

Nothing is being said here that's different than the media is covering it.

This isn't "my cause". The OWS'ers don't have a cause. They're law breaking fools that are paid to be there to show the world what astroturf is.

Proof will be in the election cycle.

I seriously doubt the majority of the OWS'ers can wake up in time to cast a ballot or are even registered to vote.

There's no demonization going on. When you crap or paint on a cop car...you're going to get called out for it. When you and a mass of people play jazz hands and want sex with animals...you're going to be called out on it. When you want to sleep on the pavement and throw trash all over the place while your buddies beat on plastic pails 24/7...you're going to get called out on it.

Commit those acts in any other place besides under the nose of "America's Mayor" and you'd be arrested faster than you can blink.

BANG BANG!

DrMaddVibe wrote:



Lech Walesa supports them and is coming to NYC to visit the protesters. He's a real dirtbag.

At least two Nobel prize economists have spoken to the NYC group. May have been 3, can't remember if Krugman was there.

So many more if you care to look, but you don't. You would prefer to pick out the crazies among us. Oh, that teabagger guy who killed 8 people, he's like all the rest right?

Clip to help you understand a bit better, I promise no hippies.



Short film showing some interesting contrasts.


DrMaddVibe
14 years ago

Lech Walesa supports them and is coming to NYC to visit the protesters. He's a real dirtbag.

At least two Nobel prize economists have spoken to the NYC group. May have been 3, can't remember if Krugman was there.

So many more if you care to look, but you don't. You would prefer to pick out the crazies among us. Oh, that teabagger guy who killed 8 people, he's like all the rest right?

Clip to help you understand a bit better, I promise no hippies.



Short film showing some interesting contrasts.


FuzzNJ wrote:





BLAH BLAH BLAH!

"economists"...the ones that got us in this mess? Oh..ok.


Git off yer couch and join your crowd. Ask for permission though. You know how the MS. is about shirking chores and skipping meals.

rfenst
14 years ago

Woodstock is a good example because the half million or so people who attended did so by breaking in. They then went on to destroy the grounds and demand that the authorities provide food and water. Gratis, of course.

Then the generation of Love and Peace went on to become the wall street CEO's that today's occupiers are b*tching about.

Is this really what we want? A generation who gets their way by complaining rather than doing?
A segment of our population who need safety in numbers rather then letting their voice be heard by taking their business elsewhere, or by voting in the proper candidates, or by making something of themselves and maybe build a corporation that embodies their utipian socialistic goals?

In a capitalistic market, if these people truly represent a populist movement, won't corporations take advantage of this by targeting their business?
Shouldn't these people all own Fords rather than one of the foreign cars or a domestic government motors vehicle?
Couldn't they take their banking to the small local banks?
Buy their goods from small local shops?

And most importantly, shouldn't these protests be outside the various colleges and universities instead of on wall street?
Tuitions have gone up must faster than inflation. Hell, tuition has risen faster than even healthcare costs.
Half of the young adults who are protesting are complaining about tuition bills. $120k in debt and no job. But they blame the corproations for not having the work load to hire, rather than blaming the colleges for over-charging for a useless document.

This is class warfare. And it started not with the recession, but rather with the president, who has endorsed this rubbish from the start.

tailgater wrote:




I have made no substantive points other than to try to put this into and encourage some discussion in a historica/political science context. Populism, which doesn't always meen the middle class or lower class,is always present to varying degrees and in diferent forms . Far more so right now, in my opinion, because of thisterrible recession. It would be unwise for anyone to underestimate the potential of something like this to snowball ino something much larger and far more politically important. We are indeed going through substantive changes right now and will into the future. If enough of these people start to get their act together, then they could represent an important voting block- like the Tea Party has over the last three or four or greater election cycles. And, yes, this presently is a version of true class warfare.
MikeyRavioli
14 years ago
The problem with no central leadership and no unified message is that no one has any idea what the hell these people want. The more outlandish the character the more likely they are to get a camera stuck in their face and have their quote appear in the news.

There are people there who worked hard, got good grades, and followed the Road to the American Dream. They got into a good University, took massive student loans, worked their butts off the graduate at the top of their class, and were prepared to enter the workforce. Sadly, there aren’t enough good jobs for them to compete for. I am not in favor of guaranteeing anyone a job but when the best and the brightest and the hardest working can't find work something is wrong. So all these young people with great skills are emerging from college with massive debt and are lucky to get jobs slinging espresso at Starbucks. They did everything right and the "system" let them down. Let’s not even mention veterans who put themselves in harm’s way to fight for our rights and freedom to come back and find no jobs and face homelessness.

The banks did everything wrong. They created the housing bubble that started the economic freefall and when faced with eating all those toxic loans - the government came in and bailed them out. Now they are making record profits and still not helping the recovery by making loans or hiring people. Its no wonder that the hard working guy who did everything right and is living in his parents basement with no health insurance stocking shelves at Target with a BFA is angry. And honestly I agree.

The problem is there is not enough of them getting camera time or newspaper quotes. Living on Long Island and visiting the city often I get so see a lot of the media coverage. I have seen stories on a lady who has a pet squirrel that sits on her shoulder whose only demand is abolishment of the Federal Reserve. I saw an article on a guy who was only there for the free pizza and the easy access to weed. There was a guy who wanted all debt forgiven. There was a guy who wanted all education at all levels including the finest universities to be free and open to anyone. they marched in front of JPMorgan Chase CEO's house. Do you know how many people in NYC, the US, and the world JPM employs? Or Murdoch? While they side with the likes of Kanye and Russel Simmons who make millions and do nothing but buy jewelry? (not really but nowhere near what JPM or Newscorp does).

Not to mention they are occupying private property and creating an extremely unsanitary condition without even having access to bathrooms or showers. Its honestly disgusting there.

Any valid political message that some one that isn't on the lunatic fringe might listen to or get behind is being drowned out by the crazies there or becomes irrelevant when the person listening steps in a pile of human poo-poo.
ZRX1200
14 years ago
$20 minimum wage? Free college?

F them.

Fuzzy we don't spend enough on education? BS. We have alot of lousy teachers and parents. Teachers want outrageous bennies and too many parents want unprotected sex or extra welfare money.


I support the stated desire by the non-paid non-dirt bags among them that want true bank reform and ending the fed. And resetting GS act, we have no business backing the banks gambling.
dstieger
14 years ago

It's not a 'list of demands', it's a statement of facts

FuzzNJ wrote:



Fuzz, I rarely agree with you, but I do think that this forum needs you, if for no other reason than because nobody else around here can elevate DMV's outrage like you can.

Your credibility has never been all too high with me, but most of the time I'm willing to read what you have to say. However, when you call the above manifesto jibberish a 'statement of facts', even I have to throw you the BS flag. Aside from the fact that corporations donate to politicians and political causes, I don't think there are any facts in that goofy document. Sounds more like someone trying to recite some Karl Marx papers from memory without considering whether any of it has any merit today.

rfenst may be correct that we shouldn't underestimate the potential for these mobs to have some lasting impact, but count me as another that would like to hear just one coherent statement about what they think they want.
DrMaddVibe
14 years ago

Fuzz, I rarely agree with you, but I do think that this forum needs you, if for no other reason than because nobody else around here can elevate DMV's outrage like you can.

dstieger wrote:





Outrage?

Um...I really wish it were possible for you to see me when I'm posting...I'm really laughing 98.2% of the time as I'm typing.

Really.

I don't take this stuff too seriously.
pdxstogieman
14 years ago

Outrage?

Um...I really wish it were possible for you to see me when I'm posting...I'm really laughing 98.2% of the time as I'm typing.

Really.

I don't take this stuff too seriously.

DrMaddVibe wrote:



Oh, so that's the insane, bitter cackle I detect in all your posts [sarcasm]
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