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HockeyDad
Herf-A-Holic

12 years ago

#81

Retire with 7200 a month, and a fund that offsets section 415, and SS. So you only keep making more.

sd72 wrote:

Do you think it is ever really gonna pay that out?! Do you have enough youngsters coming into the union to pay it?

bloody spaniard
Herf-A-Holic

12 years ago

#82

Damn, this thread reads like good fiction.[gonzo]

jackconrad
Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter

12 years ago

#83

The Plumbers and Pipefitters Union fund recently issued a letter of extinction on their pension plan stating that they were now on the of endangered accounts list which means that a large portion the money that was there to retire on wasn't actually there anymore..

HockeyDad
Herf-A-Holic

12 years ago

#84

If I were in a union I would pay very close attention to the pension funding level. The union has to release that information. The union pension is not a guarantee.

sd72
Herf-A-Holic

12 years ago

#85

No. I expect the union to die shortly after RTW goes into effect.

Then ill be moving to Texas, and telling them how we did it up north.

HockeyDad
Herf-A-Holic

12 years ago

#86

No. I expect the union to die shortly after RTW goes into effect.

Then ill be moving to Texas, and telling them how we did it up north.

sd72 wrote:

If then union dies after RTW, it deserved to die. It didn't provide enough of a service to its members to be worth the fees and only existed through force.

The union should be explaining its value to the membership instead of crying about losing its monopoly. Tell me why I should want to pay those dues.

...No you won't move to Texas. Union guys are too lazy to do something drastic and the Texicans won't listen to you. I think Texas is RTW.

sd72
Herf-A-Holic

12 years ago

#87

Yup, you're right too.

Between you and tailgater, I don't even need to think for myself anymore.

sd72
Herf-A-Holic

12 years ago

#88

There should be a "ask hockey gator" help forum.

HockeyDad
Herf-A-Holic

12 years ago

#89

Yup, you're right too.

Between you and tailgater, I don't even need to think for myself anymore.

sd72 wrote:

You already had that covered when you joined the union! They will do the thinking for you.

HockeyDad
Herf-A-Holic

12 years ago

#90

Instead of crying doomsday, play the role of the union for a moment. I'm a new worker.

You want what....$320 per quarter year for dues. What service do you provide that is worth that fee. It was easy when you could just strong-arm me to pay. You never had to answer what you provide for the fee but in a RTW situation, the union is a service provider.

I know why you need me to join. Pension fund ponzis, healthcare fund ponzis, salaries for union staff, PACs, funds for recruiting other companies to unionize, etc.....

What are you going to do for me for the fee?

teedubbya
Herf-A-Holic

12 years ago

#91

let you vote for officers and put you in the pool for the AFGE lunch box give away...

if you don't join you will still benefit from those that did and we are required to represent you in any personell action etc....

^ that is why I didn't join (ok I wouldn't have anyway)

HockeyDad
Herf-A-Holic

12 years ago

#92

I prolly wouldn't have joined that one either unless I was after one of those officer positions and graft.

victor809
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12 years ago

#93

I prolly wouldn't have joined that one either unless I was after one of those officer positions and graft.

HockeyDad wrote:

You expect us to believe you wouldn't be after the graft?

sd72
Herf-A-Holic

12 years ago

#94

320 initiation. 20 a month dues.

Honestly, I've been to the union one time. To sign up. I don't know the names of the players, who's who, and what not. I've only worked for one company until 2 weeks ago.
That being said, the best option in michigan is unions for what I do. Hourly pay, health care, retirement(until recent funding requirements put it in the red) far surpass what several companies my friends own would pay, doing the same thing.
We're not all like the UAW of 20 years ago, telling the big 3 you'll pay us more, even if it kills you.
Unions will be broken, but by the government and media, on behalf of their friends in big business, not by the clowns in the hall who can only do what they're mandated to do by gov regulations and oversight.

HockeyDad
Herf-A-Holic

12 years ago

#95

You expect us to believe you wouldn't be after the graft?

victor809 wrote:

I prolly would go after the graft! Plus I could order TW around.

teedubbya
Herf-A-Holic

12 years ago

#96

I prolly would go after the graft! Plus I could order TW around.

HockeyDad wrote:

You can order me around now if you like being the globalist tycoon that you are....

but since I'm not in the union you would have less luck in that position

HockeyDad
Herf-A-Holic

12 years ago

#97

sd72 wrote:

You're still not making the case as to why I should join and you admit you have an underfunded pension.

HockeyDad
Herf-A-Holic

12 years ago

#98

You can order me around now if you like being the globalist tycoon that you are....

but since I'm not in the union you would have less luck in that position

teedubbya wrote:

fix me a sammich

sd72
Herf-A-Holic

12 years ago

#99

Twice the money. Completion offers no benefits.

Most pensions are underfunded, they changed the funding requirement. You have to have a new hires entire projected pension in investment and cash the day you hire him. Based on actuarial estimates. You cannot have a surplus of money. Investments are mandated to where, and how much can be invested in any one type of investment. You can't be underfunded.

So basically, if you hire someone into the union, about a million dollars needs to appear from thin air.

Does your business require that??

HockeyDad
Herf-A-Holic

12 years ago

#100

Twice the money. Completion offers no benefits.

sd72 wrote:

I thought the whole argument was that I could get the union benefit without joining. I'll take the "twice the money" but not pay dues. What is the problem with that from my perspective?

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