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Quilp
Connoisseur

12 years ago

#101

The argument was that RTW is a good thing

Which its not.

Burner02
Herf-A-Holic

12 years ago

#102

It is really a misunderstanding, O'Blamer wants to give us more rights.

[sarcasm]

jackconrad
Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter

12 years ago

#103

Twice the money. Completion offers no benefits.

Most pensions are underfunded, they changed the funding requirement. You have to have a new hires entire projected pension in investment and cash the day you hire him. Based on actuarial estimates. You cannot have a surplus of money. Investments are mandated to where, and how much can be invested in any one type of investment. You can't be underfunded.

So basically, if you hire someone into the union, about a million dollars needs to appear from thin air.

Does your business require that??

sd72 wrote:

Not he Plumbers and Pipefitters because they bill for the workers services take out their share for benefits and retirement and give the difference to the workers. They only promise to have what they collected for the Union Members. Amazigally over 20 % has to be missing for a letter of extinction to be demanded by the Government. Where did it go ? They only pay whatever the account balance(Money Collected plus earnings)is.

From what i see they are only another form of employment agency..

sd72
Herf-A-Holic

12 years ago

#104

Where ya been bud?

HockeyDad
Herf-A-Holic

12 years ago

#105

sd72 wrote:

So if I pay $320 to join your union, the union will need to immediately fund $1 mill USD in my name? Sounds good. I'm retiring the next day and collecting it.

(The way it actually works is you need to be at $1 mill USD when I retire in 30 years but at $0 the day I started. You're supposed to have funded what you would currently owe if I retired that day. That is how businesses with defined benefits pensions also work.)

Edited by user 12 years ago | Reason: Not specified

tailgater
Herf-A-Holic

12 years ago

#106

There should be a "ask hockey gator" help forum.

sd72 wrote:

How can I tell you what to think when you can't even show me where the law supports your claim?
I keep looking for the word "benefits" in that law. Is it hidden? Like a word jumble?
Oh, I just LOVE games!

HockeyDad
Herf-A-Holic

12 years ago

#107

The argument was that RTW is a good thing

Which its not.

Quilp wrote:

Except that it is a good thing. You just hate workers having freedom.

tailgater
Herf-A-Holic

12 years ago

#108

The argument was that RTW is a good thing

Which its not.

Quilp wrote:

Not for the unions it isn't.
Although most RTW states still have strong unions who learned how to adapt and become a desirable service.

HockeyDad
Herf-A-Holic

12 years ago

#109

Not for the unions it isn't.
Although most RTW states still have strong unions who learned how to adapt and become a desirable service.

tailgater wrote:

That is exactly the point I'm making. HockeySon is a member of a union in a RTW state. That particular union can make its case as to why it provides value for its membership dues.

It sounds like SD72's union can't or at least he can't and the union will fail as soon as RTW goes into affect because all its members are going to flee now that they cannot be extorted and forced to join.

sd72
Herf-A-Holic

12 years ago

#110

Workers won't have freedoms. They'll have less money. RTW studies show a boost in job numbers, but a decrease in yearly average income. How's that you say? People make dramatically less.

tailgater
Herf-A-Holic

12 years ago

#111

We're not all like the UAW of 20 years ago, telling the big 3 you'll pay us more, even if it kills you.

sd72 wrote:

Tell that to Hostess.

tailgater
Herf-A-Holic

12 years ago

#112

So a law that allows unions to exist, but makes them optional for the employee, is a bad thing?

sd72
Herf-A-Holic

12 years ago

#113

Only states that that have big federally funded incomes, like a fort Belvior, or ship building for the government, that require prevailing wage on the main job providing sites, have been less affected.

HockeyDad
Herf-A-Holic

12 years ago

#114

Workers won't have freedoms. They'll have less money. RTW studies show a boost in job numbers, but a decrease in yearly average income. How's that you say? People make dramatically less.

sd72 wrote:

They will have the freedom not to join your crappy union that is going to fold because all your members quit because you can't bully them anymore.

So you say RTW causes an increase of jobs but lower average income........Sound like you want to keep the unemployed out of work so there is more money for you. Does that make you a greedy ****?...against income redistribution? I thought those were Republican characteristics!

sd72
Herf-A-Holic

12 years ago

#115

If right to work is good thing, why are airlines, and police excluded?

victor809
Herf-A-Holic

12 years ago

#116

Not to point out the obvious, and distract you all from this boring discussion on unions (yes, I said it, unions bore me...) but I'm more curious about the title. What makes these rights "god given"? and doesn't it depend on the "god" in question? The entire premise of the post is wrong. You guys are just arguing over the details.

HockeyDad
Herf-A-Holic

12 years ago

#117

If right to work is good thing, why are airlines, and police excluded?

sd72 wrote:

Airlines are covered by Federal law. That trumps your puny state RTW law. I wonder how things have gone for airline unions lately now that Golden Goose Airlines filed bankruptcy.

I don't think police are excluded in my state. They may have different graft needs in your state.

Edited by user 12 years ago | Reason: Not specified

HockeyDad
Herf-A-Holic

12 years ago

#118

victor809 wrote:

'Cause God gave them to us. You're welcome.

victor809
Herf-A-Holic

12 years ago

#119

'Cause God gave them to us. You're welcome.

HockeyDad wrote:

Which one? Last I heard there were a few...

HockeyDad
Herf-A-Holic

12 years ago

#120

Which one? Last I heard there were a few...

victor809 wrote:

Seriously? How many God-given right have you received from Allah?

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