Brewha
12 years ago

It was highly touted as ''free'' when they pushed it through, but you knew that right ?

dubleuhb wrote:


No, it was touted as "affordable healthcare". You thinking of the "read my lips, no new taxes" speach.
Abrignac
12 years ago
Such game changing legislation should have been openly debated. It should have at a minimum had bi-party support. Something this like this should have had broad support. Instead it was passed on a party line vote without the opposition even having the oppurtunity to read the bill.



Dems and Repubs should be renamed winner take all and what goes around comes around.
ZRX1200
12 years ago
Be an altruist with your own money or convince the public. Not what happened here.

I'll go look for some Monsanto links now.
wheelrite
12 years ago

No, it was touted as "affordable healthcare". You thinking of the "read my lips, no new taxes" speach.

Brewha wrote:



Dude,,,

you know the Regime implied to your uneducated masses and they inferred as much, that it would be free,,,,


wheel,
ZRX1200
12 years ago
Brewha you watch the link? Post 3
Abrignac
12 years ago

No, it was touted as "affordable healthcare". You thinking of the "read my lips, no new taxes" speach.

Brewha wrote:



Some of us think the current state of affairs merit more than hyperbole, conjecture and sarcasm. Perhaps if people could move past those things we wouldn't be the current situation.

Just a thought...
rfenst
12 years ago

No argument. If fact I admire the style of it and agree.

Careful Mr. Fenst, people might start calling you an altruist . . . .

Brewha wrote:



Or a socialist!
Brewha
12 years ago

Such game changing legislation should have been openly debated. It should have at a minimum had bi-party support. Something this like this should have had broad support. Instead it was passed on a party line vote without the opposition even having the oppurtunity to read the bill.



Dems and Repubs should be renamed winner take all and what goes around comes around.

Abrignac wrote:


And of course the GOP would never use their "political capital" to push through legislation. They are above "dirty tricks" like shutting the government down when their MINORITY does not get their way . . . . Right, I see your point.

Are you floating the idea that this legislation was never openly debated??? And that having won the election with this issue in hand, the administration was "unfair" in inacting what they were elected to do?
ZRX1200
12 years ago
Winning an election isn't open debate, you quoting McShame now?

And '"get their way"? There is NO effort to involve or engage the "opposition".
Abrignac
12 years ago

And of course the GOP would never use their "political capital" to push through legislation. They are above "dirty tricks" like shutting the government down when their MINORITY does not get their way . . . . Right, I see your point.

Are you floating the idea that this legislation was never openly debated??? And that having won the election with this issue in hand, the administration was "unfair" in inacting what they were elected to do?

Brewha wrote:



Brewha the fatal flaw in your post is the assumption that I am Republican. I'm not. Nor am I a Democrat. I'm an American from South Louisiana who is tired of a two party system that is more about beating each other than it is about doing the job set forth in the Consitution.

If you're implying that this legislation was openly debated then you're either living in a dream or you just enjoy arguing for the sake of arguing. Have you nothing better to do?
Brewha
12 years ago

Brewha you watch the link? Post 3

ZRX1200 wrote:


Yes.
ZRX1200
12 years ago
rfenst
12 years ago

Such game changing legislation should have been openly debated. It should have at a minimum had bi-party support. Something this like this should have had broad support. Instead it was passed on a party line vote without the opposition even having the oppurtunity to read the bill.



Dems and Repubs should be renamed winner take all and what goes around comes around.

Abrignac wrote:



Since when are partyline legislative votes wrongful? Pretty much the way most votes are decided.

A minimum of bi-party support? Vague. What does that mean and why?

Since when does a law or program require anything more than a simple majority?

Enough of the complaints about needing more time to read the bill/law. It has been available for that long enough. It is the stupidest argument I have heard.

Cruz was on Meet the Press this morning and l think he was both disingenuous and an idiot for thinking his crap was convincing then.
Brewha
12 years ago

Brewha the fatal flaw in your post is the assumption that I am Republican. I'm not. Nor am I a Democrat. I'm an American from South Louisiana who is tired of a two party system that is more about beating each other than it is about doing the job set forth in the Consitution.

If you're implying that this legislation was openly debated then you're either living in a dream or you just enjoy arguing for the sake of arguing. Have you nothing better to do?

Abrignac wrote:


Oh. Well if you had participated in the elections and watched the debates you would have heard about Obamacare before.

Just sayin'
Brewha
12 years ago

Dude,,,

you know the Regime implied to your uneducated masses and they inferred as much, that it would be free,,,,


wheel,

wheelrite wrote:


The uneducated masses are largely conservative Republicans. And really, who the hell understands what they think.
Brewha
12 years ago

Since when are partyline legislative votes wrongful? Pretty much the way most votes are decided.

A minimum of bi-party support? Vague. What does that mean and why?

Since when does a law or program require anything more than a simple majority?

Enough of the complaints about needing more time to read the bill/law. It has been available for that long enough. It is the stupidest argument I have heard.

Cruz was on Meet the Press this morning and l think he was both disingenuous and an idiot for thinking his crap was convincing then.

rfenst wrote:


SOCIALIST!
rfenst
12 years ago

Brewha the fatal flaw in your post is the assumption that I am Republican. I'm not. Nor am I a Democrat. I'm an American from South Louisiana who is tired of a two party system that is more about beating each other than it is about doing the job set forth in the Consitution.

If you're implying that this legislation was openly debated then you're either living in a dream or you just enjoy arguing for the sake of arguing. Have you nothing better to do?

Abrignac wrote:



I think you have assumed whatever you think he assumed.
Abrignac
12 years ago

Since when are partyline legislative votes wrongful? Pretty much the way most votes are decided.

A minimum of bi-party support? Vague. What does that mean and why?

Since when does a law or program require anything more than a simple majority?

Enough of the complaints about needing more time to read the bill/law. It has been available for that long enough. It is the stupidest argument I have heard.

Cruz was on Meet the Press this morning and l think he was both disingenuous and an idiot for thinking his crap was convincing then.

rfenst wrote:




Please tell me that you are not implying that is was ok to pass this mess before the bill was made available to ALL committee members who had sufficient time to digest it and consider its ramifications.

You're an attorney Robert. Surely you're not gonna go to trial when your clients case is to be decided on a 10,000 page before you have sufficient time to study it.

"We've got to pass this bill to see what's in it" ~ Nancy Pelosi
Brewha
12 years ago

I think you have assumed whatever you think he assumed.

rfenst wrote:


An astute assumption.
Brewha
12 years ago

Please tell me that you are not implying that is was ok to pass this mess before the bill was made available to ALL committee members who had sufficient time to digest it and consider its ramifications.

You're an attorney Robert. Surely you're not gonna go to trial when your clients case is to be decided on a 10,000 page before you have sufficient time to study it.

"We've got to pass this bill to see what's in it" ~ Nancy Pelosi

Abrignac wrote:


Ah, the fatal flaw in your post was that it was made of crapola.

Perhaps we should shut down the government for the next ninety days so everyone could have a look at it, when they find time, when it is convenient. Debate it. And then have it voted in like it already has been . . . .
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