CruzJ
11 years ago

+1 not to mention the Westboro Baptist Church.

Buckwheat wrote:




Those crazy bastards were protesting in Killeen the day I got back from Afghanistan back in 2012. Just smiled and waved at them.
CruzJ
11 years ago

I am glad I've never owned one (because I am clumsy, like to screw around a lot, and over the years I've had many drunk and irresponsible friends).

victor809 wrote:



Drunk and irresponsible friends is a valid reason to not own a firearm? Stop by your nearest Army or Marine combat arms barracks.
ZRX1200
11 years ago
That's dirty talk for Victor.
cacman
11 years ago

If you feel like having a gun on you makes you safer, then by all means carry one...

victor809 wrote:


So you would rather be a victim?

Would rather have a gun instead in being stuck in a situation where I wished I had one.

Grow a set.
QMPASH
11 years ago
If you're a responsible person, I see no reason for you not to be allowed to purchase a gun for hunting, protection or just collecting. On the other hand, guns should be under the same restrictions that cars are put under and for the same reason. Both are dangerous instrumentalities capable of causing severe injury or death when misused. Therefore, they should be kept out of the hands of known felons, minors (under 16 years of age) and people who have mental disorders. ALL gun owners should be registered and should have to undergo safety training before being issued a license. Automatic rifles, especially those with large magazines should not be sold unless they can be permanently disabled. And, if you have a problem with this, these are the same rules that apply to car ownership.
TMCTLT
11 years ago
[quote=QMPASH]If you're a responsible person, I see no reason for you not to be allowed to purchase a gun for hunting, protection or just collecting. On the other hand, guns should be under the same restrictions that cars are put under and for the same reason. Both are dangerous instrumentalities capable of causing severe injury or death when misused. Therefore, they should be kept out of the hands of known felons, minors (under 16 years of age) and people who have mental disorders. ALL gun owners should be registered and should have to undergo safety training before being issued a license. Automatic rifles, especially those with large magazines should not be sold unless they can be permanently disabled. And, if you have a problem with this, these are the same rules that apply to car ownership.[/quote


First of all, Who gets to decide who's responsible? Would you say the VP and his wife who think it's okay to fire a shotgun into the air from their deck are good candidates?

So based on your lame points here, so then should glass bottles....butter knives....hammers....You Don't need a GUN to kill another person, and I have to agree with Buckwheat in that this F'er was suffering from some mental imbalance. You folks who think safety training and limited capacity magazines are the answer make me chuckle. And fortunately @ least for now, The Second Amendment carries more weight than folks with personal opinions on who should and shouldn't have them and their reasons why.

Instrumentalities?? Now that's a dangerous word....I think 🤔
HockeyDad
11 years ago

If you're a responsible person, I see no reason for you not to be allowed to purchase a gun for hunting, protection or just collecting. On the other hand, guns should be under the same restrictions that cars are put under and for the same reason. Both are dangerous instrumentalities capable of causing severe injury or death when misused. Therefore, they should be kept out of the hands of known felons, minors (under 16 years of age) and people who have mental disorders. ALL gun owners should be registered and should have to undergo safety training before being issued a license. Automatic rifles, especially those with large magazines should not be sold unless they can be permanently disabled. And, if you have a problem with this, these are the same rules that apply to car ownership.

QMPASH wrote:




Those are not the same rules that apply to car ownership. In my county it is easier to buy a car than to buy a firearm and cars aren't even mentioned in the US Constitution!

Meanwhile cars kill far more people than guns each and every year. Ban cars.
Gene363
11 years ago

If you're a responsible person, I see no reason for you not to be allowed to purchase a gun for hunting, protection or just collecting. On the other hand, guns should be under the same restrictions that cars are put under and for the same reason. Both are dangerous instrumentalities capable of causing severe injury or death when misused. Therefore, they should be kept out of the hands of known felons, minors (under 16 years of age) and people who have mental disorders. ALL gun owners should be registered and should have to undergo safety training before being issued a license. Automatic rifles, especially those with large magazines should not be sold unless they can be permanently disabled. And, if you have a problem with this, these are the same rules that apply to car ownership.

QMPASH wrote:



You argument is null and void. The Constitution guarantees the right to keep and bear arms to allow citizens to take resist government oppression. "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

dharbolt
11 years ago

If you're a responsible person, I see no reason for you not to be allowed to purchase a gun for hunting, protection or just collecting. On the other hand, guns should be under the same restrictions that cars are put under and for the same reason. Both are dangerous instrumentalities capable of causing severe injury or death when misused. Therefore, they should be kept out of the hands of known felons, minors (under 16 years of age) and people who have mental disorders. ALL gun owners should be registered and should have to undergo safety training before being issued a license. Automatic rifles, especially those with large magazines should not be sold unless they can be permanently disabled. And, if you have a problem with this, these are the same rules that apply to car ownership.

QMPASH wrote:




You are very misguided. People of your opinion about firearms make angels die every time you speak 😠
opelmanta1900
11 years ago

You argument is null and void. The Constitution guarantees the right to keep and bear arms to allow citizens to take resist government oppression. "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Gene363 wrote:



does it say anything about bullets? 🤦
TMCTLT
11 years ago

does it say anything about bullets? 🤦

opelmanta1900 wrote:




I didn't think this would have to be addressed, was expecting a [sarcasm] after your comment. Apparently your serious.....🌫
opelmanta1900
11 years ago
I don't believe in using the sarcasm smiley...
victor809
11 years ago

So you would rather be a victim?

Would rather have a gun instead in being stuck in a situation where I wished I had one.

Grow a set.

cacman wrote:



Seriously cacman? Are you that afraid that you feel like you will be a victim at any point you don't have a gun on you? I have never carried a gun in public and somehow have never felt like a victim nor have I been victimized.

Like I said, if you feel like you need to carry a gun to feel safer, I've never argued you can't. But do you really think saying "grow a set" is appropriate when you're the one who appears to be frightened of becoming a victim if you aren't armed?
ZRX1200
11 years ago
He's not afriad, because he exercises his rights.

Do you only insure yourself on days you think are high risk?
victor809
11 years ago

He's not afriad, because he exercises his rights.

Do you only insure yourself on days you think are high risk?

ZRX1200 wrote:



You don't get it.

He's not afraid because he carries a gun. Fine. I don't disagree with that and I've never said he can't carry a gun.

I've never been afraid, and I've never carried a gun (I'm not counting at a range). Why would any of you feel the need to disagree with that? I find this mentality that a person HAS to have a gun, otherwise they must be afraid of everything stupid. It's hand-in-hand with the myth that having a gun will magically make everything safe.

Also, on a related note, this isn't "insurance", to call it that is to sugarcoat it. Insurance is only helpful. If you have insurance, and something bad happens, it helps you out. A gun is a responsibility. In your home it has the potential to be a liability at any time (you know the term, safe and responsible gun ownership). In a bad situation, it still has the potential to be a liability. To think that a gun only makes you safer is to lie to yourself.
cacman
11 years ago

A gun is only helpful. If you have a gun, and something bad happens, it helps you out.

victor809 wrote:


Corrected that small tidbit for you.
victor809
11 years ago

Corrected that small tidbit for you.

cacman wrote:



And if someone takes it from you it can only harm you.

You're not rambo. I'm not rambo. Additionally, neither of us is a ninja. Someone comes up behind you in a dark alley and smacks you over the head with a 2x4, you're just a dazed or unconscious person and they're now a person with a gun.

Why is this so hard to understand for people? I'm not advocating you not carry a gun. I don't honestly care if you feel better with a gun on you. But to not acknowledge that there are many situations in life where having a gun is a liability is a lie.

Just the number of accidental shootings every year proves there is a liability to having a gun around. You choose to accept that liability because in your reality it is less a liability than whatever situations you believe a gun will fix. In my reality, that liability is greater than the liability of those situations.
DrMaddVibe
11 years ago
This is a reason for more Chick-Fil-A's!

Your hands will be filled with chicken goodness instead of cold steel death dealing instruments.
ZRX1200
11 years ago
Story time with Victor.

Do some FBI statistic reading buddy, and I am fine with you believing what you do as long as you leave it as that.
victor809
11 years ago

Story time with Victor.

Do some FBI statistic reading buddy, and I am fine with you believing what you do as long as you leave it as that.

ZRX1200 wrote:



Why? What statistics are you trying to suggest are important? What conclusion am I supposed to come to?

And finally, I've stated over, and over, and over and over again that these are my personal risk decisions, and that I've got no problem with anyone else making personal risk decisions that are different. Why is it so damn hard for you to get it through your head that I'm talking about personal choices?

And super-finally... personal risk decisions are based on personal information, not statistics (so your "FBI statistics" are kind of useless). If I know that I am generally an irresponsible person, and generally clumsy, and really like screwing around with new toys in a manner that's probably not safe for myself or the people around me, then I already know that I'm more likely to have a firearm "accidental discharge" than your general population. If I'm at a higher risk to shoot myself, simply because of my own clumsiness, drunkenness, poor choice of friends, poor choice of girlfriends etc etc then I have to take that into account when making a personal choice to have a firearm.

Seriously... why is this so hard to understand?
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