TMC makes several good points. I always get a bit of a laugh when they ban small pocket knives but I can take my ball point pen on board a plane. A ball point pen can do a hell of a lot of damage to someone. It would be hard to kill someone with my Swiss Army Classic SD (with it's 2" folding blade) pocket knife attached to my key ring. I know I could do some major damage with some of the mechanical pencils that I had in Engineering School. Those puppies where basically 6" long metal spikes. Logic and reason have abandoned humanity. So sad...

I wish Victor would stop trying to ban everyone from having guns.

"The most polite gathering, is a room full of armed men." - Eliza Frances Andrews, 1865.

I'm gonna buy you a gun victor... I don't know where you get off feeling safe while unarmed but that needs to end...

And when I accidentally shoot myself in the @ss with it, I'm gonna make you suck the damn bullet out... :)

I do a lot of dumb things in my life. Sometimes that's because I like to drink (and find myself wandering home, through the tenderloin, at 230 in the morning, or baltimore's projects... )... Sometimes I just get tired of people being jack-asses (and find myself chasing down cars full of punk kids, or yelling at dumb-asses tagging my block in the middle of the night).... at no time in any of my confrontations, potential confrontations, or downright fights, have I ever felt that having a gun in my possession would have made it better. This doesn't mean that there aren't situations where a gun can keep you from getting killed, it just means that in my experience those situations are very infrequent, even when you're practically asking for it. I dunno, maybe in the suburbs life is more dangerous or something.

QMPASH,
BACKGROUND CHECKS A FAILURE. State Police

trainwreck01

09.30.14

In a stunning admission that their current background check/ gun buyer harassment scheme is a failure, the Oregon State Police have released statistics proving what we’ve said all along.

As you know, Governor Kitzahaber has required that every time a firearm’s purchase is denied, at least one State Police officer must leave patrol to “investigate.” While the OSP’s directive says the investigating officer must be told the reason for the denial, they virtually never are.

Now the OSP has provided details that demonstrate what a staggering waste of time this policy is.

According to an Executive Summary “on the investigations the Oregon State Police (OSP) is conducting regarding denied firearm transactions through the Firearm Instant Check System (FICS) Unit” of the 331 “denial” investigations only 8 people have been arrested. That’s a total of only 2.41% of the people denied!

And of course, there is no way of knowing how many of the people taken into custody were arrested for actual offenses and how many were victims of the same sloppy record keeping that kept most of the other 97% from completing transfers.

Of the 12 people reported to have been denied because of “mental health” we know of at least one who was clearly denied for false reasons.

Another buyer who was issued a “citation in lieu of custody” was told he had to appear in court and when he inquired about his court date was told everything had been dropped!

Even more surprising was the reported statistic that of the 40 people who were denied because they were “wanted”only 4 were actually arrested! The State Police describe a person who is “wanted” as having an active felony or misdemeanor warrant.

90% of the people who were denied because they were “wanted” walked out of the gun store. 4 people who were denied because they were “wanted” are listed in the category of “Investigation Complete-No Action.” The State Police list this as “Trooper finished investigation and determined extraneous circumstances did not warrant an arrest,citation or any other action.”

Of the 331 denials 40 were because the OSP determined that the gun they were trying to buy was stolen. That hardly makes the buyer a dangerous person.

The anti-gun crowd is eager to report the number of firearms purchase denials as evidence that the failed background check system is a great success. But three factors make this claim absurd.

First, as is clearly demonstrated by the numbers provided by the OSP, the vast majority of people who are denied have not been proven to have done anything wrong.

Second, assuming that the OSP’s numbers are accurate, (which we can’t) only a tiny fraction of the people who are denied are arrested, meaning that if they truly are dangerous and should not have firearms, they are still free to walk the streets. So pretending that a denial has any effect on crime is, on it’s face, ridiculous.

Third, in virtually every case of a mass shooting, a mandatory background check would have had no effect. The shooters either PASSED the check or would never have been subject to one because, for example, they stole the guns used.

Keep in mind that we have faced an ongoing effort to expand this failed system to transfers made between friends and family members. In the last few weeks the Firearms Instant Check System has had massive delays with dealers facing waiting times for what transfers do take place at 350% or more over normal waits. In some cases the FICS system is simply not working at all.

Washington voters are now facing a ballot measure that will expand this failed system to private transfers. Nevada is following their lead. We will almost certainly face a similar measure here. Make no mistake, background checks are gun registration schemes. Efforts to expand them are being funded by billionaires with armed guards.

The battle is coming.

Get ready.

I don't know why Victor is so opposed to any of us getting guns I like my guns.

The Wildwest was much safer because everybody had guns.

Yeah bibles, blankets and saddle soap stopped arrows just fine.

guns won the west. There was nothing safer than a saloon full of guns

Should we say well behaved gentleman

I'm your huckleberry

Actually, blankets probably stopped more arrows than all the guns combined. Viva biological warfare!!!

Eugenics at its finest.

Meh. You were advocating eugenics by "winning the west" with guns.

I advocated efficiency.

See # 43 . . .

Yeah exactly what I said [fryingpan] [sarcasm]

Don't hate the messenger... Hate yourself for being an inefficient eugenicist.

I blame you for being a really smart stupid reader .

Don't hate the reader, hate yourself for being a really stupid smart poster.

:)

I look foward to herfing with you so I can flip you off in the picture.

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