Romney: Obama 'threw Israel under the bus' · Page 6

Btw,

The closest The US and USSR came to Nuclear conflict was during the 1973 Israeli war.
Had the US and USSR not got invoilved this whole issue may have been resolved then once and for all.

wheelrite
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15 years ago

#105

There are millions of people involved. They are not all terrorists.

HockeyDad wrote:

They permit themslelves to be ruled by terrorists..They actually elected them .So,they are also culpable.

HockeyDad
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15 years ago

#106

They permit themslelves to be ruled by terrorists..They actually elected them .So,they are also culpable.

wheelrite wrote:

The Palestinian Authority aren't terrorists. Remember that one of their top guys is a Texas Longhorn grad?

wheelrite
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15 years ago

#107

The Palestinian Authority aren't terrorists. Remember that one of their top guys is a Texas Longhorn grad?

HockeyDad wrote:

Yeah, and the 9-11 Hijackers took flying lessons in Florida..

wheelrite
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15 years ago

#108

Goodnight HD...

rfenst
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15 years ago

#109

I pretty much totally agree with this. The current status quo is more favorable to Israel than any possible peace solution. (The key here is nobody can actually admit this.)

HockeyDad wrote:

Um... I admit it, but never felt the need to because it is so blatantly obvious.

rfenst
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15 years ago

#110

Their TOP GUY in Syria said several years ago that Hamas would recognize Israel's right to exist in exchange for a return to the pre 1967 borders, the right of return for Palestinian refugees, and East Jarusalem as the capital. Several other top Hamas guys have said the same thing since then. Sure, there are still Hamas guys who say they will never recognize Israel, just like there are Israeli political and religious leaders who call for the entire region to be Israel. It's always the blowhards who grab the headlines and get their soundbytes played.

borndead1 wrote:

What you are referring to occurred in 20066. It was NOT a formal position taken by Hamas. Even if it had been, it is a non-starter. It means nothing because it was conitional.

Israel will never agree on a right of return for Palestinians. It will never agree to give up East Jerusalem. These are the conditions precedent to the previous "recognition" made by some in Hamas. The "recognition" is empty, at best.

If you read the news form the last few days, you will see that Hamas spokespersons are currently expressing regrett that there was any previous unofficial conditional recognition.

topper7788
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15 years ago

#111

rfenst wrote:

Why are you trying to confuse things with facts... Come on everyone knows Hamas is a peace loving "political" party

is BD serious, a peace treaty on Hamas's terms? Would be Kind of like the Jews signing a peace treaty with Hitler in the 30's ..

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HockeyDad
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15 years ago

#112

The thing that makes Hamas so difficult to deal with is that they started as a terrorist group but grew into being a political party, they operate a quasi-government, run schools, hospitals, social services and yet also still at their core are still a terrorist group and have not renounced violence.

Based on what I'm hearing on this thread, the status quo and continued occupation is the best course for Israel so it only seems logical that Hamas should maintain their status quo.

Edited by user 15 years ago | Reason: Not specified

HockeyDad
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15 years ago

#113

Netanyahu's speech to the US Congress should be interesting today. Much anticipation has been created that he is going to offer something new to restart the peace process. I actually expect he will just restate the exact same stance because his political future is on the line. He got elected on a war platform and I don't see that changing.

If there are no surprises and it is just the same old thing, I'm ready to totally change my stance and agree with Wheelrite's position and acknowledge there is no two state solution. It will take very little to push me over to that camp. Too much time has been wasted trying to find some magical two state solution. There is a point where we have to just acknowledge the clock has expired and the game is over. The idea that Israel should annex the West Bank and Gaza immediately and grant Israeli citizenship and full rights to everyone there and they need to begin to assimilate is viable. Time to live together side by side in a nation called Israel.

That would change the status quo and put all this nonsense to rest. I'm going to give Netanyahu a chance today but after that, I think Wheelrite wins for the best offered solution so far.

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borndead1
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15 years ago

#114

topper7788 wrote:

Aw sh*t...topper made a Hitler comparison. The thread has officially been killed.

I never said Hamas had taken any kind of formal position. All I'm saying is that several of their top guys have stated a willingness to compromise. And even the 1967 borders is a compromise, if you look at Israel proper in 1948 compared to 1967. The maps speak for themselves.

DrMaddVibe
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15 years ago

#115

Hmmm...based on this thread...God let me become ressurected after the Apoclypse.

The UP of Michigan should be returned.

California, Nevada, Arizona, Utah and New Mexico should be returned to Mexico.

Matter of fact...most of the US should be returned to the United Kingdom under the guise of no spoils of War.

Stop the insanity that Israel isn't entitled to the land that was a spoil of war. A war they didn't start...4 times! A war if they didn't have that land it would be another staging area.

If Hamas is this big charitable organization then why do they seek the end of Israel and destruction of all Jews?

Wipe them from the face of the Earth.

Let any one of the awesome neighbors Israel has take the scourge that's been allowed to fester. Afterall it's one big Arab brotherhood.

They won't do it though. Know why? Because they're using them as pawns.

Pawns that should know better.

Pawns that need to go.

HockeyDad
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15 years ago

#116

Actually Israel started the 1967 war and that is why returning to those pre-war borders always comes up and is backed by UN resolutions.

However since Israel's peace treaties with Jordan and Egypt released any claims on that land to Israel, I would make the same case that Israel doesn't have to return that land to anyone just like the USA doesn't have to return the southwest to Mexico. I believe a peace treaty between nations takes priority over some old UN resolution.

This supports Wheelrite's solution.

DrMaddVibe
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15 years ago

#117

The UN is an organization that has done more harm than good.

Clinging onto this useless collective bargaining shroud of a sham exposes them for what they want.

DrMaddVibe
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15 years ago

#118

Maybe NATO could carve out a piece of Labia for them to all huddle and whine.[ram27bat]

HockeyDad
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15 years ago

#119

I could support moving the UN to Labia.

DrMaddVibe
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15 years ago

#120

I want it out of the US for sure.

I want the US out of it too!

Putting it deep inside Labia would be a great start![whip]

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