DrafterX
15 years ago


California, Nevada, Arizona, Utah and New Mexico should be returned to Mexico.

Matter of fact...most of the US should be returned to the United Kingdom under the guise of no spoils of War.






DrMaddVibe wrote:





=; uhhhh.. excuse me....

the American Indians were defending this country way before the UK or anyone else came around... and you want to give it away to someone else..??

nobody ever thinks about the Indians.... 😞
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago

=; uhhhh.. excuse me....

the American Indians were defending this country way before the UK or anyone else came around... and you want to give it away to someone else..??

nobody ever thinks about the Indians.... 😞

DrafterX wrote:




You're right!

So stop this looking for CROS nonsense and git busy!
HockeyDad
15 years ago


the American Indians were defending this country way before the UK or anyone else came around...

DrafterX wrote:





Well they did a pretty crappy job of it. You call that defending?????
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago

Well they did a pretty crappy job of it. You call that defending?????

HockeyDad wrote:




Actually the thought of land ownership was totally foreign to them.

Besides they took the beads.[frypan]
DrafterX
15 years ago
we should have never fed the pilgrims.... 🤐
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago

we should have never fed the pilgrims.... 🤐

DrafterX wrote:




We?

We??!

You were there?
DrafterX
15 years ago
ya.... I've seen alot.... don't tell anyone tho... 😟
HockeyDad
15 years ago
On the bright side, as it turns out May 21 was just the spiritual Judgment Day. Everything is still on for the end of the world on October 21.

That actually times out decent with the UN declaration of a Palestinian state in September.

DrMaddVibe
15 years ago
That guy doesn't have a good batting record.

Maybe he should look for a UFO behind a comet or break out the Jonestown punch and help out the gene pool.

🍺
HockeyDad
15 years ago

That guy doesn't have a good batting record.

Maybe he should look for a UFO behind a comet or break out the Jonestown punch and help out the gene pool.

🍺

DrMaddVibe wrote:





He's 0-2 right now but if he can go 1-3, that's .333 and he'll make the all-star team.
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago
Well, I dunno if I can handle being raptured twice!

Besides...he reminds me of the guy in Poltergeist.

http://home.comcast.net/~mlpaul/polt/happyka.jpg 

Not feeling the "lovin' spirit" from Grandpa if ya know what I mean...besides he ain't doin' interviews!

http://mobile.gothamist.com/2011/05/22/rapture_hangover_where_the_hell_is.php 
HockeyDad
15 years ago
There was nothing new in Netanyahu's speech and I think everyone can agree that there is enough of a gap between what President Obama laid out and the EU and Middle East Quartet backed in comparison to what Netanyahu laid out as well as what the Palestinian leadership has laid out to pretty much guarantee there won't be any restarting of peace talks. With all the preconditions out there, it is silly to think there will be any movement.

At this point it is game over for that phase and now it is time to move on to the UN in September. In the meantime I'll back the Wheelrite Peace Solution of annexation of the West Bank and Gaza and citizenship and assimilation for all. That really is just the final step in the Egyptian and Jordanian peace treaties anyway.

As for the USA, it is time to disengage from the peace process. There isn't one. The Middle East Quartet can continue to meet and enjoy lavish dinners but their work is done. We don't need to be there.

The remaining detail is for the USA to cut off foreign military aid gifts to the region. We can't afford it and they don't need it. Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, and Egypt can pay cash like everyone else. It is time for the USA to butt out.
DrMaddVibe
15 years ago
Going to the UN isn't a viable solution either.

Unless the UN backs terrorist regimes...oh wait a minute...they do!

Look at Labia!
HockeyDad
15 years ago

W
Not feeling the "lovin' spirit" from Grandpa if ya know what I mean...besides he ain't doin' interviews!

DrMaddVibe wrote:




He did an interview today and revised the prediction.

I'm actually wondering if maybe he was right all along and all of mankind is so rotten that nobody actually raptured. Maybe we're all toast.
DrafterX
15 years ago

He did an interview today and revised the prediction.

I'm actually wondering if maybe he was right all along and all of mankind is so rotten that nobody actually raptured. Maybe we're all toast.

HockeyDad wrote:





👍


can you get a refund from the Vatican..?? 😕
HockeyDad
15 years ago
If you can find any church that gives a refund, let me know!

I don't think their accounting books work that way.
frankj1
15 years ago

Actually Israel started the 1967 war and that is why returning to those pre-war borders always comes up and is backed by UN resolutions.

However since Israel's peace treaties with Jordan and Egypt released any claims on that land to Israel, I would make the same case that Israel doesn't have to return that land to anyone just like the USA doesn't have to return the southwest to Mexico. I believe a peace treaty between nations takes priority over some old UN resolution.

This supports Wheelrite's solution.

HockeyDad wrote:


now you know better than to try to slip the ol' "israel fired first so they started it" BS. We have pretty much covered the whole preemptive strike was legitimate defense to the entire world at the time.

And I believed you when you said no more of that crap., let's talk solution.

And for whoever mentioned the big change in borders between the maps of 1949 and 1967...FYI, the Arabs REFUSED their bigger homeland in 1949 too! Why? Because they did not want Israel to exist!!!

frankj1
15 years ago
As for the Indians, first in the American League central!
HockeyDad
15 years ago

now you know better than to try to slip the ol' "israel fired first so they started it" BS. We have pretty much covered the whole preemptive strike was legitimate defense to the entire world at the time.

And I believed you when you said no more of that crap., let's talk solution.

frankj1 wrote:





Israel fired first in the 1967 war. Israel attacked first in the 1967 war. Nothing I said was incorrect. If you launch a preemptive strike, you fired first. It is no big deal and doesn't even need any historical revision. It was a genius attack.

The key thing is Israel gained the West Bank from Jordan through peace treaty. Israel gained the Gaza Strip from Egypt through peace treaty. I'm on board with the Wheelrite One State Solution. My message to those in the West Bank and Gaza is "Welcome to Israel! Now assimilate."

Nobody else even offered a plan for a 2 state solution.
HockeyDad
15 years ago
Israeli politics rock! Nobody is ever happy with anything. From the Jerusalem Post:



PM's opponents on Left and Right urged him to stay in Washington, continue to receive nearly unanimous affirmation from US politicians,


Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu may have received 26 standing ovations from Senators and Congressmen during his speech to them on Tuesday but Knesset members from across the political spectrum were much tougher on him.

His political opponents on the Left and hard Right urged Netanyahu to stay in Washington, where he could continue to receive nearly unanimous affirmation from American politicians, with the exception of US President Barack Obama.

One of the only MKs who released a statement praising Netanyahu was Otniel Schneller of Kadima, who said the prime minister had succeeded in speaking for a consensus of Israelis. Schneller urged his faction to put politics aside in favor of the national interest.

But a Kadima spokesman accused Netanyahu of unnecessarily harming relations with the United States and said he would be judged by his actions and not his oratory capabilities. Kadima MK Yoel Hasson accused the prime minister of staging an election campaign from Washington.

"Netanyahu's speech to Congress was an election commercial," Hasson said. "It was an attempt by Netanyahu to present a false impression that he is willing to enter negotiations. The people of Israel should not be enticed and should understand that Netanyahu's policies will lead not only to international isolation, but also to a bi-national state."

Further to the Left, MK Zehava Gal-On of Meretz called Netanyahu "dangerous" and "extremist" and rejected his statement that Israel would never return to the pre-1967 borders.

"Even Netanyahu knows that there is no such thing as peace that is not based on '67 borders and dividing Jerusalem," she said.

The prime minister received even harsher criticism from MKs on the Right who were upset about his statement about some settlements being left outside of Israel's final borders. MK Tzipi Hotovely from his own Likud party said the speech was "a dangerous precedent from a right-wing prime minister." National Union MK Michael Ben-Ari slammed Netanyahu for offering the Palestinians a state, saying that he had become the Palestinian Herzl.

"Netanyahu received the greatest applause when he said that Israel is the land of our forefathers and that Jerusalem will not be divided, so there was no need for him to declare that he is willing to give up large portions of our homeland to the Arabs," Ben-Ari's National Union colleague Aryeh Eldad said. "Saying that he is willing to abandon settlements will only encourage the Arabs to ask for more and we are liable to pay for this in blood."

Likud ministers Gideon Sa'ar, Limor Livnat and Yuli Edelstein praised Netanyahu for presenting Israel's case well. They said the Palestinian reaction to the speech proved that there was no partner on the Palestinian side. Likud officials expressed confidence that Netanyahu's coalition would not be endangered by the speech.

A Sarid Institute poll broadcast on Channel 2 Tuesday night found that 38 percent of Israelis found Netanyahu most fit to be prime minister and 35% opposition leader Tzipi Livni. The poll found that the Likud had grown in support at Kadima's expense.

Since the last poll taken by the institute during a crisis over gas prices, Kadima fell by five seats and Likud rose by four. The poll found that if elections were held now, Likud would win 34 seats, Kadima 29, Israel Beiteinu 14, and Labor eight.
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