My opinions are not in lock step with Isarael. The people that reside in Israeli territiory should be allowed assimilate,in my opinion.
I'm not anti- Palestinian.I'm a pragmatist.

sadly,,

HD you aren't always the smartest guy in the room...
Your myopic anti Isaraeli talking points are old and worn out.

wheelrite wrote:

I could agree that the people that reside in Israeli territory should be allowed to assimilate but if I took that position I would then be anti-Israeli. I am not taking that position. I want a negotiated peace, a 2 state solution, and the USA out of the regional conflicts there. You just don't understand, that's all. That's OK.

HockeyDad wrote:

There will never be a 2 state solution.The Arabs and the Iranians don't want a peaceful solution.I suppose you don't get it.


You're the Neville Chamberlain of cbid..

wheelrite wrote:

40 years without war except for two wars with Lebanon, Operation Cast Lead in Gaza, and two intifadas. I guess that is peace.

You keep changing the rules of debate...didn't you insist the discussion on your part was only about the west bank?

I thought you already pointed out that the Palestinians can be good neighbors. Didn't you mention something about the arabs that live in Israel peacefully? That should be evidence that Israel can let the refugees come home and everyone will live in peace.

My comments were pointing out that Israel has at least some record of being tolerant, but where is the evidence that the other folks not already assimilated in Israel have ever shown the same?

My club isn't trying to make Israel disappear. If you're down to that.....just say it. It is the natural defense.

HockeyDad wrote:

Well if the Arabs and the Iranians don't want a peaceful solution then it sounds like we need some more wars. I'm OK with that as well. The next one will be the worst. I would have preferred peace and a lasting Israel but I guess I'm just Neville Chamberlain and that part of the world is just condemned to eternal warfare.

HockeyDad wrote:

well..
IF the war would've been allowed to be waged 40 yrs ago,this would be an academic discussion. Contrary to French defeatist theology sometimes the bad guys must be killed.

The real world is not always rainbows ,lolllypops and croissant...

wheelrite wrote:

You mean the slaughter of civilians?

HockeyDad wrote:

Name another country that is conducting a military occupation for 44 years that the USA supports. 5 years? 2 years? One year?

So you have no solution to offer. I can accept that "no solution ever" is a viable answer.

Who are you calling a neo-nazi that is trying to apply?

HockeyDad wrote:

Poorly written on my part, did not mean nor believe that you personally want the disappearing thing, but rather the more support your "club" generates over the years, the more hamas et al can hang on to their real agenda of just that very thing. You won't get what you want, you will be encouraging false hope in those that wish Israel's destruction.

frankj1 wrote:

I think the trick for Israel is to force Hamas to give up that agenda. The Palestinian Authority does not have the same agenda as Hamas but they have been unsuccessful at negotiating peace and this only strengthens Hamas. If Israel threw the PA a few bones that the PA could show as successful peace negotiations, Hamas would be neutered. This is what "my club" wants. The opposite is happening right now.

Personally I think the area could have peace but the window of opportunity is closing. Wheelrite thinks there will never be a window of opportunity. You may agree with him. I respect that opinion but it does mean endless war as I have said before and ultimately complete destruction of the region.

HockeyDad wrote:

solutions (once again) will require true vows of Israel's right to exist, not your say so. I thought Topper already covered this.

frankj1 wrote:

You have it from the Arab League and the Palestinian Authority based on their peace proposal.

You don't have it from Hamas or Hezbollah.....or Iran.

HockeyDad wrote:

The Arab League,,,lol

That's like The Daughters of the American Revolution declaring peace n the middle east

wheelrite wrote:

I think the trick for Israel is to force Hamas to give up that agenda. The Palestinian Authority does not have the same agenda as Hamas but they have been unsuccessful at negotiating peace and this only strengthens Hamas. If Israel threw the PA a few bones that the PA could show as successful peace negotiations, Hamas would be neutered. This is what "my club" wants. The opposite is happening right now.

Personally I think the area could have peace but the window of opportunity is closing. Wheelrite thinks there will never be a window of opportunity. You may agree with him. I respect that opinion but it does mean endless war as I have said before and ultimately complete destruction of the region.

HockeyDad wrote:

The advantage of talking to the Arab League is it represents 22 nations. The Daughters of the American Revolution represent zero.

HockeyDad wrote:

The Arab League,,,lol

That's like The Daughters of the American Revolution declaring peace n the middle east

wheelrite wrote:

and both have ZERO influence...

wheelrite wrote: