victor809
12 years ago
I'm just gonna throw this out there....

But the more of Trish's time you guys waste responding to these silly threads about Cbid having a basement of child-labor rollers making knock offs of every brand out there, the LESS time she has to unban TW And everyone else who's been disappeared over the years.

Do you know how much effort it takes to unban someone? It's like... probably.... meetings. and buttons... and memos... and stuff. I'm sure it takes a long time, since it hasn't happened yet.
denali7432
12 years ago
god now i got a craving for pistachio ice cream..thanx alot..lol


serious note though, i love pistachio ice cream, need to make a cigar like that
Philly Jack
12 years ago

We pay a fee to use their name. Its called a licensing fee, kinda like the fee you pay to be able to put your pro sports teams' names on t-shirts, jerseys, etc. So no, he's not a liar. But Graycliff is aware of it as they rake in the money. Nothing underhanded and no one has ever said that these cigars are from the Bahamas. We'll make mention of their name in the marketing information but again, nothing underhanded there.

You may not like how 95% of the products in the world are marketed, but that doesn't make it wrong. There's a lot of things I don't like: Pistashio ice cream, high credit card interest rates, kids mouthing off to their parents. But most of it I can't fix. So, like the pistashio ice cream thing, I just don't buy it. if you don't like the Graycliff cigars we sell, don't buy them.

Easy, peasy, lemon squeezy.

But I gotta say Wow....lots of anger there Philly Jack. Unless your stock in Graycliff tanked after we licensed their name, I don't see where it comes from.

TrishS@CigarBid wrote:


If you do check the label it does say Bahamas and that was what sent me on that quest years ago. I have been to the Graycliff Hotel very nice great cigars right off the rolling table. And thank you for your frankness and honesty.
TIGERCDW
12 years ago

god now i got a craving for pistachio ice cream..thanx alot..lol


serious note though, i love pistachio ice cream, need to make a cigar like that

denali7432 wrote:




Do you want it labled as a Gurkha or a Graycliff.

TIGER
denali7432
12 years ago

Do you want it labled as a Gurkha or a Graycliff.

TIGER

TIGERCDW wrote:



lol, that aint right man
TrishS@CigarBid
12 years ago

If you do check the label it does say Bahamas and that was what sent me on that quest years ago. I have been to the Graycliff Hotel very nice great cigars right off the rolling table. And thank you for your frankness and honesty.

Philly Jack wrote:




If I'm not mistaken, the Graycliff Hotel is still in the Bahamas, even though they license their product to us. The boxes state their country of origin. That's what you have to look at.

Graycliff cigars originated in the Bahamas and are still made their....so to say Graycliff of the Bahamas is correct. The box then says Honduras or Dominican Republic or wherever.

By the way, if their sales representative doesn't understand the licensing agreement and how that helps to pay his salary, they have more problems than us using their name on cigars....
robertsccr5
12 years ago
Genuine question, why aren't the beauty in glass tubes sold here?
denali7432
12 years ago
not completely off topic here, but i just had a graycliff double expresso 2 weeks that i have had in the humi for 3 years now..omg it was heaven..i still remember the great deal i scored on 15 of them here on a free fall..
dharbolt
12 years ago

he turned me into a newt.... 😞

DrafterX wrote:




Glad to see you got better
dstieger
12 years ago

I'm sure this will end well.....
Free Philly Jack!!!

victor809 wrote:



That's one parade I that's going to have to pass me by.....



Free Sven!


Trish, are you sorry you jumped into this thread yet?

Legacy
12 years ago
Hi Folks,

Interesting thread - nice to see so much participation.

... Cigars are made from seasonal crop(s) that change from year to year. I believe that this is the primary reason that a cigar will taste different from year to year. The cigar companies try to keep the taste as close as possible from year to year but I believe that sometimes they have no option but to release a slightly different tasting cigars if the tobaccos in the blend just aren't available or they taste different from previous years...

Buckwheat wrote:



Start with the manufacture and forget about the brand(s) for a moment.

To get two cigars that taste the same is a near miracle - you need;
Same tobacco types
- from the same field (and taste can vary even in the same field).
- that taste the same (and look the same for wrappers).
Same fermentation
- identical methods that ensure each pylon will be the same as the one before it when finished.

Even if the tobacco is the same the blend, bunch and roll must be nearly identical.

Even you, the smoker is a wild card (I could add the weather too). Smoked faster than before? Less retrohale?


Wines? Every vintage has some taste variance even though their processes are more general than those that produce a cigar (a handmade one off). Of course I personally love Chateau Petrus 1946, because Solange le Magnifique (ah - those eyes!), personally stomped the grapes with her divine and delicate toes!

Entrenched brands have the wherewithal to purchase leaf supply into the future and to ensure consistency in the manufacturing processes (above). This is their strength. Their weakness is that they are bound to a specific taste (see Macanudo, Punch, etc.) and most have now expanded their marques. It's not a coincidence that the taste of these entrenched marques are less adventurous.

No cigar manufacturer throws out a finished cigar (unless it's really bad). Finished cigars are their currency. Most manufacturers are now hired guns, available to make cigars according to need and purse, and many of their customers are offered those finished cigars that haven't found a home (orphans). This is one of the reasons that bands are put on just before packaging. Most of these cigars (contracted or orphans) end up with a label, fancy or otherwise, intended to seduce smokers. Not all of these cigars are bad, many are good or better, but don't expect them to be paragons of consistency from year to year - let alone batch to batch and even box to box.

When you depend on a brand for consistency, other than those most established (as above), you have hope against the truth of the difficulty in repeating that performance. Even though the music is the same the instruments change. If a cigar received a 92 from Cigar Aficionado, it's probably a one off tasting, hard to repeat over time. I have other reasons for putting little faith in these ratings - but that can wait for another time.

A greater amount of consistency may (may) be found by smoking cigars made by the same manufacturer. If you like A.J. Fernandez (for example) it's likely that you like his leaf availability and processes and thus you may find a consistency in satisfaction purchasing cigars that he has made.

Sorry to be so long but there's a wealth of possibilities in this thread.

Regards,

Pete





opelmanta1900
12 years ago

Genuine question, why aren't the beauty in glass tubes sold here?

robertsccr5 wrote:



same reason the ghost, seduction, and cellar reserve were only sold here for a week and then no more... all the gurkha bashing on this forum has pretty much guaranteed that here they will only sell for what they deserve to sell for, not what k han wants...
KingoftheCove
12 years ago

god now i got a craving for pistachio ice cream..thanx alot..lol


serious note though, i love pistachio ice cream, need to make a cigar like that

denali7432 wrote:


me too!!! me too!!!

Bonus part??!!......no one else in the family does!...... bada-bing!.........all mine......
yeah!.......a candella with Pistachio notes!
===========
Ok - back to our regularly scheduled program.

TrishS@CigarBid
12 years ago

That's one parade I that's going to have to pass me by.....



Free Sven!


Trish, are you sorry you jumped into this thread yet?

dstieger wrote:




I'm sorry so many people are conspiracy theorists. I guess I'm puzzled why so many people believe the worst of us. You all claim we have great customer service, great deals, etc. but whenever you get a chance to crap in our house, you take it. That is really puzzling to me.

Oh and one other point that I missed from an earlier post....you know why so many brands you find here aren't on the manufacturers' websites? Because they're exclusive to us. The manufacturer doesn't show it because their site shows potential customers/distributors the products they can purchase from THEM. If a product is exclusive to CI only CI or one of its partner companies, can sell it. I would think that would be obvious.

crgcpro
12 years ago
Maybe Acid will make a Pistachio flavor puke bomb for you guys LOL.
Porksoda
12 years ago

We pay a fee to use their name. Its called a licensing fee, kinda like the fee you pay to be able to put your pro sports teams' names on t-shirts, jerseys, etc. So no, he's not a liar. But Graycliff is aware of it as they rake in the money. Nothing underhanded and no one has ever said that these cigars are from the Bahamas. We'll make mention of their name in the marketing information but again, nothing underhanded there.

You may not like how 95% of the products in the world are marketed, but that doesn't make it wrong. There's a lot of things I don't like: Pistashio ice cream, high credit card interest rates, kids mouthing off to their parents. But most of it I can't fix. So, like the pistashio ice cream thing, I just don't buy it. if you don't like the Graycliff cigars we sell, don't buy them.

Easy, peasy, lemon squeezy.

But I gotta say Wow....lots of anger there Philly Jack. Unless your stock in Graycliff tanked after we licensed their name, I don't see where it comes from.

TrishS@CigarBid wrote:







Ok so you pay a licensing fee to use their name, fine. But who makes the cigars? Are they made in another factory for you, then the "licenced " name added or are they made by Graycliff?
victor809
12 years ago

I guess I'm puzzled why so many people believe the worst of us. You all claim we have great customer service, great deals, etc. but whenever you get a chance to crap in our house, you take it. That is really puzzling to me.

TrishS@CigarBid wrote:



Dammit... now you guys have gone and ticked Trish off.

How the he## are we supposed to get people unbanneded when Trish is ticked off?
KingoftheCove
12 years ago

Maybe Acid will make a Pistachio flavor puke bomb for you guys LOL.

crgcpro wrote:


No!!
I want a sophisticated candella that evokes pistachios naturally dang it.......................maybe I'll just smoke an Illusione candela and eat pistachio ice cream at the same time
Legacy
12 years ago
Hi Trish,

A couple of points...

With the relationship we have with Gurkha, why would we risk that by doing something they don't approve of? And how do you know the B&M Gurkha Beauty isn't OLD from the original release? Just like the La Perlas....

Sheesh....you guys need to come to CigarFest to see what kind of relationship we have with the manufacturers. They wouldn't bother with us if we diminished their brands/cigars.

TrishS@CigarBid wrote:


Anyone doubting this statement obviously lacks historical perspective in this industry (and most others).


So they could have, again, stockpiled cigars that they thought would be huge sellers and are now selling them, after that first (or second, or third) release is gone everywhere else.

TrishS@CigarBid wrote:



I've not know of any retailer (B&M) to stockpile cigars on speculation - ever. They, like CBid/CI, are in the business of making money. Did some hold cigars for themselves or favorite customers (especially in the boom)? Sure, but I've know hundreds of retailers and not a one ever 'speculated' on cigars. In fact - most like a proven track record of sales before they order and they love nothing more than selling out. Chances are that these cigars just didn't sell and they're noticed by those to whom it has interest.

General Note:
As far as cigars being different because they're packaged differently? Well they are different - at least the packaging is. If you're judging the differences based on packaging you're lacking evidence. Anyone posting here should be able to tell the difference between sticks beyond the package.

Regards,

Pete
Philly Jack
12 years ago

Maybe Acid will make a Pistachio flavor puke bomb for you guys LOL.

crgcpro wrote:


I'll text Dave Lafferty and ask they can put it in the Java line.
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