tonester666
22 years ago
Slow day at work in Texas?
al'Thor
22 years ago
Are you kidding? You guys got me working pretty hard!
phenix007
22 years ago
Tony this is what we call pressure cooker pace...that's why we speak at the pace we do..
tonester666
22 years ago
Whoa, most folks I know from Texas speak kinda slow like the folks from Arkansas(no offense meant homebrew). The fast talkers live out Northeast.
RICKAMAVEN
22 years ago
phenix007

"fungible" cool and impressive.

eloquent, verbose, logical, not unlike the "warren commission report" and the former "project blue book."

their are no conspiracies. everything is what it appears to be.

not only has earth never been visited by aliens, we are the only intelligent life form in the universe.

car manufacturers are not able to install seat belts because they don't work, and the public won't
pay for them.

car manufacturers can't get moe then 10 miles to the gallon from their cars.

exhaust emissions cannot be reduced.

the chevy corvair never had a solo accident because of faulty design.

audi's did not slip into gear and accelerate by themselves. it was always the driver, whose foot
had slipped onto the gas pedal.

no ford ever burst into flame because of a rear end collission.

carpal tunnel syndrome is psychosomatic.

lee harvey oswald acted alone.

serhan serhan acted alone..

we can't cure cancer or alzheimer's, because stem cell research is an abomination in the eyes of god.

smoking cigarettes does not cause lung cancer.

cigarettes are neither a food nor a drug and, therefore, can't be controlled by the fda or the dea.

george w bush was legitmatly elected to his office and is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life.


se habla mucho, pero no dice nada.
al'Thor
22 years ago
Hey! What about me? I deserve an insult as much as phenix!!
limoric
22 years ago
Boohoo... It's $3.20 up here. And it's made in my back yard. Alberta
jjohnson28
22 years ago
$2.29 for premium here in So Cal at the cheaper stations.
usahog
22 years ago
Ahemmmmmmmm it dropped here by Monday... was $1.79 a gal. now it's $1.56 and dropping....


I See our Nation is on a Rise though... the Unemployment mark for this next quarter is in an uphill climb... so isn't our Economy... damn Bush he must be doin something Right and People are going to hate him even more!!!!

Hog
RICKAMAVEN
22 years ago
al'Thor

i'll try to catch you later.
RICKAMAVEN
22 years ago
usahog

if someone has 3 accidents a year for a few years and then is only having 1 or 2 a year, i guess you could say his driving is improving.
rayder1
22 years ago
One of the issues I run into, especially in reading the San Francisco Chronicle, is they tend to target SUV and pick-up owners as the reason for limited fuel supply and high prices.

Hello....your 35 mpg Hyundai is getting the same fuel mileage driving 5 miles in stop and go traffic as my 12 mpg SUV gets driving 25 miles to work each way in no traffic.

I would love to put a blanket over the problem with a solution that I should sell my SUV to save gas prices.

So...let me get this right. If everyone parked their SUV's for 2 weeks, will the fuel prices come back down? Bull crap. SUV and pickups account for only a fraction of a percent of total fuel consumption of this country. Why should I buy an econobox? To be like the enlightened Bay Area folks, such as those who write for the Chronicle?

Sorry....I have horses. Am I going to tie a 3 horse slant load trailer to the back of my Volvo and tow it across the State to a horse show. 'Aint gonna happen. Guess what. My #2 car is going to be what is useful for me and I'll pay for a few gallons more fuel to get there.

While Mr. econo minded is sittng on the side of highway 80 waiting for a chain installer to arrive, I put it in 4wd and wave as I go by. I don't mind puting a few more gallons in. He has to sit there and idle with the heater on while he waits for his chain boy to arrive. I get to make it there. Guess what...heaven forbid, if I slide off the road, run into especially deep snow, mud, rocks etc. I can pass over them without causing $300 damage to the undercarriage of my vehicle.

Okay...so I'm a gas hog. My family activities require the ownership of a large sized vehicle. People in the Bay Area (I have 35 years experience living there) tend to look at an SUV or pickup as a useless waste of gas. Intimidating to have in your rear view mirror. Scary to drive next to etc.( I'm sure there are many other areas of the country where this thought process holds true as well, but I am speaking of somewhere I have been.)

No one ever takes into account that many people own these vehicles because they use them for the purpose they were designed for and they don't keep them in the garage when the immedite need is not there.

There are bigger fish out there than SUV/Pick-up owners causing wasted fuel.
limoric
22 years ago
rayder1,

Thanks for your input, but it was kinda like saying,” American Airlines should transport it's customers in Toyota echo's". You actually need a gas-guzzler. The soccer mom with one child and no need for an Escalade, should not own one. Yes we live in a free society, but with freedom come responsibility. I have struggled with this issue myself and have found peace in my deciding to buy a Hydrogen powered vehicle in 2004/2005. There will also be a Hydrogen generator available around then that simply hooks up to your hose and a power outlet so you can fill up right at home. Buy the way, by 2008 the car manufacturers have committed to having hydrogen vehicles in several classes. So no, my car won't be a 2 seater.

For those who drive Ford supercharged Dooley trucks and need them, right on. I live in Truck county Alberta, There are more trucks per capita sold here than any ware else in the world. Most of these trucks are used to commute back and forth to work. I'll just go poor some gasoline and oil in the local river. No big deal right.

Don't tell my neighbors I feel this way. I'm likely to by lynched.

Robby
22 years ago
How much? What kind of power/ft pnds?
limoric
22 years ago
I really don't know. Last time they talked about it on Car and Driver, these cars could put out some pretty good performance. But they were just concept cars and were pretty unpractical. They had a converted caddie and some High-end imports, but the engine took up a lot of space and the couldn't go for long. Since than the science has come a long way. I only came across the manufacturers commitments from reading the Stewart Energy website. Some cars will appear in 2004, but the main role out will be in 2008. I guess I'll be shopping around. I just think about never having to fill up again. Hook the car up at home and it's ready in the morning. Clear and clean conscience.

http://www.stuartenergy.com/ 
Gene363
22 years ago
limoric said:

"There will also be a Hydrogen generator available around then that simply hooks up to your hose and a power outlet so you can fill up right at home."

Will you mind getting the electricity to power that hydrogen generator from a burning coal or uranium? The energy requirements for the Hydrogen generator and the substantial pump to compress the hydrogen will to be substantial.

Without some sort of government incentives, i.e., TAXES, hydrogen burning autos may have a future, but their costs was make the gas prices of today look good.

RICKAMAVEN
22 years ago
rayder1

you are correct. any shortage of gas has very little to do with you burning a few gallons extra per week. it is a buzz word "suv's bad, little honda's good".

average driver 12,000 miles per year. mostly stop and go traffice, to and from work. 5 miles to the mall. average gas milage probably 15 in a small car and 9 mpg in your "bad suv." maybe you burn an extra 10 gallons a week. so what. before the govt's requirement that cars had to get better milage almost all cars got 8 or 9 miles to the gallon, gas was 35 cents, and there was no shortgage. i wonder who is manipulating these "shortages".

if it is you, please stop.
limoric
22 years ago
Gene363,

Can you fill us in on your facts. From what I've read The generator is very efficient, uses less energy than it takes to produce Gasoline, and it is 100% pollution free.

I hope you weren't just speculationg. I find it odd that major car manufacturers, California and the US Government would sponsor a project that would in fact be a worse alternative.

Europe has all ready got some cars and fule stations, no surprise. California and Ontario are the only 2 regions that do as well.

By the way all the facts are on the websit I posted earlier. Good place to get the facts.
RICKAMAVEN
22 years ago
if the japanese or any foreign country invented a car that would run on water they would disappear into the desert. usa manufactors do not take kindly to anything that interferes with their business.

remember the tucker.

regardless of whatever you think of nadar, search for what chev tried to do to him when he was writing "unsafe at any speed"

remember the tariffs placed on japanese cars to bring the prices higher so they could not compete legitamately.

it's a shame that the congress and the senate have been bought by moneyed interests. democracy could have been a good idea.
Gene363
22 years ago
RICKAMAVEN said:

"Can you fill us in on your facts. From what I've read The generator is very efficient, uses less energy than it takes to produce Gasoline, and it is 100% pollution free."

Unless they break the laws of physics, it requires energy to break down, water (I assume) into hydrogen and oxygen. Once you have the hydrogen generated, it needs to be compressed, likely into a liquid. Just compressed gas would not give you much fuel capacity. These operations require power. Where is that power going to come from? If you use household 120 volt AC, it is likely generated by burning coal, oil or uranium.
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