Excuse me, it was limoric I quoted not RICKAMAVEN

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RICKAMAVEN

You mean like GM buying up working electric trolley lines in cities all over the country, e.g., the Red Cars that went all over LA county and out to San Bernardino CA, then replacing them with diesel busses?

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Gene363,

Yes but it takes less pollution causing energy than it does to extract the fossil fuels and than produce gasoline. The end product does not produce polluting emissions.

Where are your facts? I've read the science from more than one co. that has the technology. The technology is being used as we speak. Also the generators are capable of storing a lot of fuel. So you can use the power to produce it during no peak hours.

Coal or Uranium? Nuclear power is less polluting than fossil fuels. There is also hydro and wind. The idea is reducing Pollution, not just turning the pollution switch off.

It boggles my mind that there are people who argue against the inevitable, fossil fuels will eventually be replaced.

The science isn't perfect yet, but it is getting better. Ah screw it, we want immediate results so lets all just stay in denial and keep screwing the planet. Hey it's only got to be good while I'm around right.

You must work for an oil Co. or you just like to argue a point.

Gene363

yes. interesting, we had mass transit at one time. not very much smog, and a lovely place to live. until...

if "they" could put a meter on the sun, we would all have solar energy. not my quote, but from another person.

Limoric

Please address my point, what energy source is going to run the generator that creates the hydrogen and places it in a form that can be used in a car?

BTW attacking me is not going to change the fact that it takes power to operate any device that generates hydrogen. A few solar cells on the roof are not going to create enough hydrogen to run a lawn mower let alone a car. Using hydrogen as a fuel is a very attractive, but you have to get the hydrogen and then get it into a form that is useable in an automobile.

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Gene363

i suppose we could always us gasoline powered engines to provide the energy. just a thought

RICKAMAVEN

Only if we use methanol in the gasoline.

VBG

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Gene363

you have me. fair and square. i am humbled.

Gene,

You are aware that there are robotic, electric lawnmowers that run only on the solar cells that cover the area of the mower (probably less than 4 sq.')?

Sketcha

Yes, they charge a small rechargeable battery that operates a small electric motor(s). They don’t isolate hydrogen, compress it and burn it in an internal combustion engine.

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Gene363,

You seriously didn't read the research, your just attacking yourself. Read the research for GS.

The energy would obviously come from your homes power outlet. And yes most power is produced dirty, although there are cleaner sources. The point is it takes energy to produce gas and energy to produce hydrogen the difference is Hydrogen does not emit pollution. Also the generator stores the gas so it's not like you have to produce it all day to fill up once

What a coincident. I was listening to a radio program while driving my son to the movies. The Guest was talking about how he converts homes to solar power to the point the house produces a surplus that can then be sold back to the grid. And it costs less than most people think. Especially if you use the power to heat your home using less natural gas. Add the car and wow.

Is that good enough for you?

A though just came to mind. The main Car manufacturers are rolling out their Hydrogen cars in 2008 with an appearance in 2004. If I were to produce enough solar energy that I had a major surplus. I could purchase one of Stuart Energy’s larger generators and build a refueling station on my property. I could be very competitive, as my power would cost nothing to produce, except the original investment. Alberta has a lot of Sun throughout the year.

Limoric

Well it sounds like you are convinced, don’t let silly things like my opinion or science get in your way. I suggest you sell your investments, especially those involving cold fusion and invest everything in Stuart Energy, it's going to make you rich.

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From their website

Studies show that hydrogen is as safe as any fuel. In many circumstances, hydrogen is safer than gasoline as a fuel for passenger cars because it is lighter than air and dissipates very quickly. Installing a hydrogen system in your home would be similar to having natural gas appliances.

In more than 50 years of operation Stuart Energy has demonstrated an exemplary safety record. In addition, the Company is actively involved in the development of national and international standards for hydrogen systems and related technologies through its participation on international committees such as ISO TC 197 (Hydrogen) and IEC TC 105 (Fuel Cells).

To date, some of Stuart Energy's systems have obtained Special Acceptance from CSA International and UL (Underwriters Laboratories Inc.) of Canada. In addition, the fuel appliances meet numerous code requirements for gaseous hydrogen and electrical systems. Some of the Company’s meteorological units meet stringent US military standards. The company is now pursuing international certification of its products including UL and CE (Conformité Européene) Marking.


How much will Hydrogen fuel cost?
Stuart Energy’s current cost target is US$2.50 per kg of hydrogen, a benchmark set by the US Department of Energy. On a heating value basis, a kilogram of hydrogen is approximately equivalent to a US gallon of gasoline. Since fuel cell vehicles are expected to be two to three times more efficient than those equipped with internal combustion engines, this cost is equivalent to a gasoline cost of US$1 per gallon for an equivalent range.


How much water is used to make Hydrogen?
Electrolysis does not require significant amounts of water. The hydrogen extracted from a gallon of water using a Stuart Energy fuel appliance could drive a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle as far as gasoline vehicles travel today on a gallon of gasoline.


What is the efficiency of Stuart Energy's systems?
The efficiency of Stuart Energy’s cell stack is up to 90%, based on Higher Heating Values. Including hydrogen compression and other external losses, the system can achieve up to 85% efficiency on a Higher Heating Value basis.

Hydrogen from electrolysis is economically efficient today. Stuart Energy’s systems can boost the value of excess, non-peak electricity by storing it in the form of useable hydrogen. These systems permit a widely distributed, low cost, low risk and economically efficient solution for a hydrogen-fueling infrastructure. With deregulation of the electricity markets and decreasing capital costs of Stuart Energy’s equipment, this solution will continue to become more economical. Electrolysis solutions add further value through a reduction in the external costs of pollution.


How will hydrogen from electrolysis help the environment?
Significant health costs are associated with air pollution from transportation. Regardless of the source of electricity, Stuart Energy’s solution can help to remove air pollution from the streets and centralize it where it can be significantly reduced.

The ultimate solution to the global air pollution problem is the zero-emissions pathway that begins with renewable and sustainable energy. By storing energy, electrolysis solutions can enable renewable power with improved power quality and operating economics. Renewable energy is no longer a dream - wind power generation is growing rapidly and can produce electricity at four US cents per kilowatt-hour. By the time hydrogen cars are produced in large quantities, the electrical grid will likely be greener and total emissions significantly reduced.

Two things I do know are:
1. In my home town the gas being at sold at the station closest to the refinery was, is, always the most expensive for 100 miles and
2. Someone is getting rich(er) off of these crazy prices and it isn't me (read average Joe consumer).