I have not seen the video nor do I really desire to see the video. I think that it is a lie of the Islamic extremists to claim that the killing of Nick Berg was in retaliation for the humiliation of prisoners in Iraq. The people that killed Nick Berg should be hunted down and brought to justice. They are animals.

I will say something to those who want to nuke Iraq. Why do you think that the killing of thousands of people (innocent or guilty) would help our troops? Just because their side is willing to commit outrageous acts of barbarism doesn’t mean that we should. Do we really want to get into an “eye for an eye” type of conflict? Just look at what this type of policy has gotten Israel.

I think that this quote best says how I feel:

"We cannot insure success, but we can deserve it".

John Adams writing to his wife about the war with England on New Year's Day in 1776 and borrowing a line from the play Cato by Joseph Addison.

Do not know exactly what is considered uniforms for Terrorist, anything from New York Mets jerseys to Polo tee shirts to rejected war surplus uniforms of sort!
Know one thing the Geneva convention, does say out of uniform, spies............end of game!

Charlie

I feel that I also have to say something about everyone passing this video around. I'd be pretty pissed at everyone gawking at the murder of my son on the net. This isn't some movie, it is a life. I know that everyone here has the best of intentions, but I don’t think that it is necessary for us to “actually view” this tragedy. This isn’t about blood and guts, it is about a senseless murder of an innocent civilian by a bunch of idiots (my actual language was self edited).

there's one thing i have to say about viewing the video. there are things that images can do that "hearing about it" cannot, and that is to make an impression INDELIABLE in one's mind. you can judge that to be a good or bad thing.

but i tell you, if it had been me? i would want every adult in the world to view that video and NEVER FORGET WHY WE ARE FIGHTING THIS WAR.

I refuse to watch it. I dont need to watch it to realize what these people are about.

Robby,

Not taking the bait. If you don't see the difference between ending WWII and mistreating prisoners, wellllllllll, I understand. Maybe we should move on to something else.

If they agree to let you be the prostate (not prostrate) checker in chief, will it be glove on or glove off? If it's glove off, be sure to use your left hand. It's considered bad form to use your right hand for such things in that part of the world.

Robby,

As to your second and third questions - you're a butt wipe. My son served eight years in the Army as a combat medic and military policeman. He did a year in Somolia with the 10th Mountain Division as part of the US Rapid Reaction Force protecting UN peacekeepers. He saw some type of action almost every day up to and including taking an RPG that blew him 20 feet in the air receiving shrapnel wounds. He was 19 years old. He did 10 months in Bosnia where he routinely came under sniper fire. He did two tours in Korea. One tour was as the shift leader at a military prison. By the way, he disagrees with you. Mistreatment of prisoners is always wrong.

I stayed glued to the TV and newspapers while he was in Somalia and Bosnia. I and my wife got up every day hoping we wouldn't hear from the Army. You f**king dweeb, presuming to lecture me about how precious our soldiers lives are.

mydsooner: i can totally understand that, too. that's how i felt when i first had the chance to view it. later on, i decided that i would view it. i couldn't open the file, though, so i decided that it's for the best after all.

there are, however, a few people in my circle of friends whom i'd like to sit down and MAKE them watch it in the hopes that they might finally get a dose of reality to send them out of their "moral ambiguity."

i have to say one thing about the prisoner abuses -- the army itself is NOT PROUD of these dipheads. it's not just about a handful of chuckles and naked pee-pees, either. it's about the kind of TORTURE and RAPE that are part and parcels of terrorist tactics.

it is, as the commander and chief has said, appalling. it should have never happened, and i hope the assclowns who did it are booted from the military -- they dishonored themselves and their uniform in these actions -- even if it WAS just some photos of naked iraqis. but it wasn't just that, and i've not spoken to a single person in the military, officer or enlisted, who sees these jagoffs as anything but scumbags who don't deserve to wear the same uniform.

just my tuppence on that matter.

Amazed that the press has all but dropped any mention of Nick Berg's butchering, yet continues to blast the headlines with "prison atrocities."

Boo-hoo. How else are we supposed to get information out of prisoners? Somehow I don't think a stern warning and turning off the cable TV at 8PM instead of 10PM is going to do it.

Besides, we've seen how they treat their prisoners, and we treat our prisoners a lot better than they treat their own women.

The whole country is going to collapse into civil war the minute we leave anyway, so I say we leave now and stop wasting money in Iraq when we should be spending it on tracking down and killing Osama and every single one of his terrorist scrotes.

cigarick, there are quite a few of Bin Laden's "terrorist scrotes" in Iraq.

Some of them committed the atrocity that inspired this thread....

Last I heard it was an unrelated group which was formed because Al Qaeda wasn't interested in having them join the club.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2730253.stm 

Google is a wonderful thing.

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as slim pointed out.. wtf was Nick Berg doing in Iraq? family say he was there for work? CIA/FBI/NSA and other soarces you read about/hear say he somehow was connected... no matter it was live on film of how deep these POS's will go and if your not willing to go that extra mile to stop them then you'll end up just like Berg in their books... we in America base most of this country on Value's and Morals (well used to be morals) these perspectives are the slow hand that will get a soldier/person killed when dealing with people like this who believe they are doing justice in the eye's of their God when eliminating a infidel... We/America and all her Allies are in for a long Hall with this War on Terror and it will get worse before it gets better...

Hog

Welcome Back Russell,
You have been missed.
Later
Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)

the thing that sickens me about this the lack an outcry of discuss from the arab world and the rest of the world. also I wish the the left would not use this war as a political foootball to regain the whitehouse its the worse kind of politics Ive seen in a long time. This tactic on their part divides the country and gives aid to the enemy.

Amen...

Hamas said it was "un-Islamic," but only because it took attention away from the "real atrocities," the Abu Graib incidents. Friggin' amazing.

I guess the biggest atrocity in all of Middle East is the prison abuse (according to News Media and Networks) and the Nick Berg beheading was nothing more than an "unfortunate event" that happened and it has no more relevance to Middle East! What a ridiculous statement that was, but it seems to be true. Sad, that we loose sight everything as they flash the horrible prison crimes in front of us like they were the concentration camps of the Nazi's of WWII! This is incredible, as the Pentagon is taking action against the offenders the news still sqawks like we are doing absolutely nothing at all!

I happen to support our troops and if a few of them are bad apples, then court martial them and drum them out of the military!

Charlie

for those that see the black helicopters:

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/5/15/22827/0477