Stogie1020
a year ago
Water supply issues aside, I wonder why LA fire code does not require externally mounted sprinklers to wet the exterior of the house? I know it likely would not stop a raging wildfire, but it would sure slow it down and give fire crews a fighting chance... the county could even turn them on or off at the street level depending on the direction of fire movement.

Decades ago, my town mandated every new build had to have internal sprinklers. My house has them, and they are in every house in town I have been in except the ones built in the 60's.
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a year ago

Water supply issues aside, I wonder why LA fire code does not require externally mounted sprinklers to wet the exterior of the house? I know it likely would not stop a raging wildfire, but it would sure slow it down and give fire crews a fighting chance... the county could even turn them on or off at the street level depending on the direction of fire movement.

Decades ago, my town mandated every new build had to have internal sprinklers. My house has them, and they are in every house in town I have been in except the ones built in the 60's.

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It would be good, though if every home in an area turns on their sprinklers most local water supply systems cannot maintain pressure and hydrants lose their supply/pressure. Often it's the house with a pool, a gasoline fire pump and an un-evacuated homeowner to run them that survives.
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a year ago
It turns out, burned homes added to the water shortage, the increased plumbing slows water to free flow.

In this episode, Sal Mercogliano—a maritime historian at Campbell University (@campbelledu) and former merchant mariner — discusses the use of seawater and how it can be utilized to fight the wildfires in southern California.



Sal is a firefighter on both land an on the sea. He calmly explains many facets of the fire fighting and the problems fighting the LA fires.

Can Seawater Fight Fires in SoCal | Why No Water | Fireboats | Damage From Seawater



About 19 minutes long.

00:00 Introduction
01:21 Why SoCal Ran Out of Water
06:04 Fireboats - How to get Seawater out of the Sea
08:50 Seawater corrodes fire equipment
11:54 Seawater does not provide enough cooling as freshwater
12:33 Seawater harms plant life and will leave the soil barren
15:07 Difficulty in Fighting This Wildfire
17:25 Conclusion
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Stogie1020
a year ago
^ hahahaha Well played Gene!
ZRX1200
a year ago
Watched an interview this morning, there is a reservoir above PP that has been dry for a couple years….they had to have a cover cuz bird poo. And that hadn’t been fixed. Would have alleviated water pressure issues for fire.
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a year ago

Watched an interview this morning, there is a reservoir above PP that has been dry for a couple years….they had to have a cover cuz bird poo. And that hadn’t been fixed. Would have alleviated water pressure issues for fire.

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Yes, a video showed no construction equipment, it's just empty.
Mr. Jones
a year ago
"They" had more " impotent" $$$ budgetary problems...
Paying for illegal immigrants in 4 star hotels in San Francisco...
Drug needles for junkies, HEP C infections and treatments for homeless peeps peeing on light poles, all those California emission chking stations getting inundated by Oregon fire engines trying to save homes but sidelined by "ECO" NuTCASES IN SACRAMENTO...

IM WILLING TO BeT?
TRUMP WILL DECLARE MARSHALL LAW OR ENACT THE "SHERMAN DOCTRINE"(?? Or whatever the statute TO FEDERALLY TAKE OVER ANY AN ALL GOVERNMENTAL desCisIOns) ...maybe...aLLedGeDly...
a year ago
CA is a wealthy state so its strange they can't figure out humans first basic need, water. And they're on the coast.
HockeyDad
a year ago

CA is a wealthy state so its strange they can't figure out humans first basic need, water. And they're on the coast.

MidnightToker( • )( • ) wrote:



California is a have and have not state. There is increased awareness to these fires because they are burning in “have” areas. The first basic need is pronoun awareness.
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a year ago
Don't like Tucker? How about Mike Rowe?

Who’s Accountable For The LA Wildfires? | The Way I Heard it with Mike Rowe



The Way I Heard It with Mike Rowe

Last week, I said that I would prefer not to talk about the business of fire prevention in California while the fires were still burning. With so many people in such dire straits, it seemed premature to fan the rhetorical flames before the literal flames were extinguished. However, since the fires are still burning, and since people are demanding better answers and explanations from their elected officials, I thought it might be a good idea to invite someone onto the podcast who has been consistent in his warnings and recommendations for decades. His name is Edward Ring, and he’s the Director of Water and Energy Policy for The California Policy Center. I spoke to him yesterday from my hotel room in New York, shortly after I got out of Los Angeles. Not everyone will appreciate what he has to say. Most of you will, however. And for what it’s worth, I believe it to be the truth.


ZRX1200
a year ago
Cut fire budget by 17mil, spend 50 mil to fight Orange Man.

You made your bed….don't burn in it. Disinfect with some light on the truth. Leadership and bad ideas didn’t cause this fire, they gave it extra oxygen.



DrMaddVibe
a year ago
It's time to really start holding people accountable.
Mr. Jones
a year ago
#54....DMV?? U KNOW BETTER THAN THAT...

NOTHING WILL HAPPEN...

EXCEPT MAYBE THE MAYOR WILL BE FORCED TO RESIGN
BY ORDER of GRUSOME NEWSOM, SHE'S gotta be the sacrificial dumb ass...
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a year ago
This explains what drives Kalifornia progressives:

Michael Shellenberger said:

They defunded the fire department, drained the reservoir, and cut the budget for fire prevention. Yes, incompetence. Yes, ideology. But the underlying reason they let LA burn is because, deep down, they hate civilization. Me with
@JillianMichaels


DrMaddVibe
a year ago

#54....DMV?? U KNOW BETTER THAN THAT...

NOTHING WILL HAPPEN...

EXCEPT MAYBE THE MAYOR WILL BE FORCED TO RESIGN
BY ORDER of GRUSOME NEWSOM, SHE'S gotta be the sacrificial dumb ass...

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https://hotair.com/david-strom/2025/01/16/la-firefighters-warned-that-people-would-die-due-to-staffing-crises-and-were-ignored-n3798863 [/i]
DrMaddVibe
a year ago
Russell Brand

"The TRUTH About Gavin Newsom Has Finally CAME OUT"

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DrMaddVibe
a year ago
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Oooops🐴
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a year ago
NPR reports on the water shortage.

https://www.npr.org/2025/01/18/nx-s1-5262563/radio-traffic-la-fires-first-responders-water-shortage 


'The hydrants up here are dead.' Radio traffic shows how LA firefighters lost water

On the morning of Jan. 7, a firefighter near the Pacific Palisades neighborhood of Los Angeles observed a 10-acre brush fire along a ridgeline and sent out a warning.

"Just to give you guys a heads up," he radioed to other first responders. "This has the potential for 200 acres plus."

The Palisades fire and the other fires that followed have since burned down more than 40,000 acres — an area three times the size of the island of Manhattan. Over a week later, the Palisades fire and the Eaton fire, a blaze that started at the base of the Angeles National Forest, are both still burning.

Water to put out the fires has been scarce. NPR's investigations team transcribed and analyzed more than 2,000 hours of communications from 13 audio feeds streaming LA city and county first responder channels. The feeds were downloaded from Broadcastify.com, a live audio streaming platform. The audio messages chronicle how firefighters first noticed hydrants going dry and how they responded to the emergency with depleted resources.

Private firefighting crews hired by insurers and others are raising big ethical questions amid the California wildfires. Pictured here is a snapshot of the devastating impact in Sunset Boulevard in Pacific Palisades, Calif., on Jan. 14, 2025.
CALIFORNIA WILDFIRES

Private firefighters are helping out in LA wildfires. It raises ethical questions
Just eight hours after that initial call alerting others to the beginnings of a brush fire on the ridgeline, at around 6 p.m., a firefighter in Pacific Palisades mentioned there was a problem with the water.

"If you can get ahold of any sort of public works or DWP (Los Angeles Department of Water and Power) our folks are starting to report that they're running out of water in the hydrant system," he said.

The firefighter said he was radioing from a point near Radcliffe Avenue, no more than a mile from the beach. A dispatcher jumped in to confirm people were trying to fix the problem.

"Copy that, it's being worked on," he responded.

Six minutes later, a firefighter suggested sending a truck that transports water — called a tender — to his location near the Ridgeview Country Estates. The Pacific Palisades neighborhood is minutes from an entrance to the Temescal Gateway Park, an expansive nature reserve that stretches across oak and sycamore canyons.

"With us losing our water up here, is there any way we can get a bunch of water tenders through the city," he asked. "We can keg them up at least in the state area up in Palisades and we can set up a portable hydrant system so our folks can have a shorter turnaround."

A dispatcher said they were ready to try that.

"Yeah, we do have water tender in staging, where would you like them?"

But reaching burning areas with portable water on the ground wasn't easy. As first responders tried to rush to the flames in Pacific Palisades earlier, they had to fight through the throngs of people trying to use those same roads to evacuate.

"You've got gridlock on Palisades Drive," one first responder radioed around midday. "People are driving down both sides."

Nearby, a plane was providing support from the air.

"Super Scoopers, just leaving the fire scene at this time," radioed a first responder.

Super Scooper planes gather water from large bodies of water, like the ocean, to dump on fires. The audio communications show Super Scoopers were helping fight the fire at least as early as 11 a.m. that morning.

But the radio communications that coordinated helicopter aid indicated that by Tuesday evening, conditions were getting increasingly dangerous, even in the sky.

"Operations, HELCO Command. We are going to be grounding all aircraft," someone radioed at around 7 p.m. "Based on the wind conditions right now, we're ineffective and we're not going to compromise safety, so all rotorcraft are going to go back."

Other parts of LA had already started burning. The Eaton fire started that evening near Altadena, a neighborhood about an hour's drive northeast of Pacific Palisades at the base of the Angeles National Forest. By the early morning on Wednesday, the water appeared to be running out there, too.

Even in extreme winds and intense heat, some homes remain standing. Fire experts are finding there's a lot homeowners can do to increase the chances a house survives.

Some Los Angeles homes made it through the firestorm. Here's how
"We are now on scene of a structure fire on Altadena," radioed a firefighter just after midnight.

"Copy that, LA. We do not have water," responded another in the area.

By 6 a.m. Wednesday, firefighters in that neighborhood were also mentioning problems with hydrants – just like they had earlier in Pacific Palisades.

"We're having some water supply issues," said one Eaton firefighter. "Some of the hydrants are going dry."

The communications suggest this came as a surprise to those first responders.

"Were you having any issues like that before?" one asked in the channel at around 6:30 a. m.

"No, negative. I haven't heard of anyone having issues with the hydrants. I could see if they can boost the pumps, or it could be the tanks are getting low."

Just past midday on Wednesday, another Eaton firefighter made a dire announcement: "We're up at Lake and Altadena, and all the hydrants up here are dead."

A Tesla is melted into the street above Pacific Coast Highway in Malibu, Calif. on Wednesday, January 8, 2025. Batteries from electric cars are among the dangerous and toxic items that hazmat crews are now cleaning up.

PUBLIC HEALTH

Hazmat crews tackle toxic waste left behind by LA's fires
On Jan. 10, California Gov. Gavin Newsom ordered an investigation into how fire hydrants across the city lost pressure and stopped providing water. Los Angeles city officials have said the urban system was never designed for wildfires like Palisades or Eaton; It was designed for smaller problems, like house fires. But in a letter Newsom wrote to the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power — one of the utilities in charge — Newsom demanded answers.

A first responder at the scene of the Eaton fire also thought about reaching out to the water company.

"Do we have a rep from the water department to try to work on our water supply issues?" he asked."

But in the meantime, there was only one thing they could do.

"Pick your best targets of opportunity the best you can," responded a firefighter near Altadena. "No water at all. So do your best."


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