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Poll Question : Is Global Warming Real?
Choice Votes Statistics
No, it’s just made up by the left wing Liberals. 10 11 %
Maybe, it’s a natural cycle - not really man made. 46 54 %
Yes, it largely caused by industrial pollution. 29 34 %
Total 85 100%

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Is Global Warming Real?
frankj1 Offline
#751 Posted:
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I once saw a spotted salamander in my back yard. They are indigenous to the Blue Hills Reservation, which is just beyond my property line. I think they are currently migrating to vernal pools, whatever that means.

Global warming isn't confirmed by a warm February once in a while, nor is it negated by a cold June every so often. It is about climate, not the weather report on the 11:00 news.
ZRX1200 Offline
#752 Posted:
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Environmental groups collecting millions from federal agencies they sue, studies show

By Joshua Rhett Miller


Deep-pocketed environmental groups are collecting millions of dollars from the federal agencies they regularly sue under a little-known federal law, and the government is not even keeping track of the payouts, according to two new studies.

Under the Equal Access to Justice Act, or EAJA — which was signed into law by President Carter in 1980 to help the little guy stand up to federal agencies — litigants with modest means who successfully show government agencies wronged them can get their legal fees back from the taxpayer.

But the act also covers 501(c)(3) nonprofits, including environmental groups that aggressively sue the feds to enforce land-use laws, the Clean Water and Clean Air acts and laws protecting endangered species. Their lawyers are getting reimbursed at rates as high as $750 an hour, sources tell FoxNews.com.

“It was intended for helping our nation's veterans, seniors and small business owners, but environmental groups have hijacked the so-called Equal Access to Justice Act and abused it to fund their own agenda,” Sen. John Barrasso, R-Wyo., told FoxNews.com. “Then you have small businesses and the American taxpayers left to foot the bill.”

Environmental groups, however, argue that the act is an important tool in their efforts to protect the public's interest in conservation, fighting pollution and ensuring the federal government follows its own rules.

“Litigation is not a moneymaker, and the litigation is being done to make a difference and make the world a better place,” Erik Molvar, executive director of the Wyoming-based Biodiversity Conservation Alliance, told FoxNews.com.

The exact taxpayer cost of the Equal Access to Justice Act remains unclear. The General Accounting Office, or GAO, tracked 525 legal fee reimbursements that totaled $44.4 million from 2001 through 2010, but found that only 10 of 75 agencies within the U.S. Department of Agriculture and Department of Interior could provide data on cases and attorney fee reimbursements.

“As a result, there was no way to readily determine who made claims, the total amount each department paid or awarded in attorney fees, who received the payments or statutes under which the cases were brought for the claims [for fiscal years 2000 through 2010],” the GAO report reads.

Barrasso fears that is only the tip of the iceberg.

“You’re talking about millions and millions of dollars,” Barrasso said. “There is a pressing need for more accountability and transparency. Even the government doesn’t know how much it's paying out — it’s disturbing.”

[pullquote]

A recent Notre Dame Journal of Legislation article said the law had a noble purpose once, but has produced an “incalculable waste of taxpayer money.”

“It is among the most wide-reaching statutes in the U.S. Code, and what it attempts to do is as complex in execution as it is simple in concept: to aid those who would otherwise be truly hurt by fighting the government when it acts without justification,” wrote Lowell Baier, author of the article and president of the Boone and Crockett Club, a Montana-based conservationist group. “But it is clear that EAJA is in need of reform.”

Critics say the act needs to be reformed in order to serve its original purpose. Baier calls for limiting it to small businesses and individuals and withholding or at least limiting payments where plaintiffs prevail on “process instead of substance.”

In May, Barrasso and Rep. Cynthia Lummis, R-Wyo., jointly introduced the Government Litigation Savings Act to reform the Equal Access to Justice Act. If passed, the bill would cap reimbursements at $200 per hour. It would also limit repetitive lawsuits and require full accounting of payments authorized by the Equal Access law, the GAO report found.

“Obviously it’s a David and Goliath situation when a senior citizen, small business or veteran takes on the federal government,” Lummis told FoxNews.com. “When money is being spent trying to practice the equivalent of defensive medicine, the money is not going to the environment — it’s just going to lawyers. And that was never the intent of those dollars.”

But environmental groups say the law is working just fine, and proving the government’s position was not "substantially justified" — the standard for reimbursement — can be difficult. They say the reimbursements don't come close to covering their expenses, much less provide incentive to bring frivolous cases.

Molvar, of the Biodiversity Conservation Alliance, told FoxNews.com that his organization, which has a $250,000 annual budget, received an average of $1,000 in Equal Access reimbursements in each of the past five years.

“And that was unusually high compared to previous years,” Molvar said. “We have spent far more litigating than we have gotten back."

Molvar said it’s important to remember that his organization — which he characterized as one of the more litigious conservation groups in the country — only receives funds if it wins.

“You only get them when you win and prove that the federal government has broken the law,” he said.

Aggressive reforms could wind up preventing parties — environmental groups included — from challenging unjust decisions made by the federal government or enforcing laws that benefit the public, according to a July 2011 analysis of the bill by the Brennan Center for Justice

Kieran Suckling, executive director of the Center for Biological Diversity, said in statement issued in October that environmental groups collect only a small portion of overall fees under the Equal Access to Justice Act. He said his own group receives only a tiny fraction — less than 0.5 percent, on average — of its annual revenue of about $8 million from those attorney fees recovered.

“No one’s getting rich by making the government follow the law,” Suckling said in the written statement. He declined to be interviewed for this article. “Republicans are using this bill as a back-door attack on environmental laws they don’t like. The end result will be restricting citizen access to the court system and a federal government that’s less accountable to the people.”
tonygraz Offline
#753 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
So you're saying NASA is releasing faulty data?


???
teddyballgame Offline
#754 Posted:
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Well, that was your response to the Nasa polar ice caps not melting data post.. that the Koch brothers are funding "made up" data.

Your retorts are always so spot on, I can't believe you didn't follow the dots there.


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ZRX1200 Offline
#755 Posted:
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Apparently you don't understand trolls.
tonygraz Offline
#756 Posted:
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It takes one to know one.
Brewha Offline
#757 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
I don't know if I've chimed in on this thread yet, but a study from NASA last year said that the polar caps are actually gaining ice in total. They also said they are in agreement with a certain section of the cap losing ice, but from satellite data they've said that the ice in the antarctic cap has had a net gain over the past couple decades.

They also agree that the sea level is rising, but it's worrisome because they do not know where it's coming from.

Also, studies have shown that with the increase in CO2 in the atmosphere, it causes plant life to grow faster than usual (in turn sucking up more CO2).

So what I'm trying to say, is the ecosystem we have here is far more dynamic than anyone wants to give it credit for.

As far as dire change that's going to cause doom and gloom for the planet and kill everything... I'm just not seeing it.

I'm sure something other than man-made climate change will wipe us out before that happens.

Destroying a planet is hard, I don't think we could destroy everything on this planet and completely wipe out humanity even if we gave it our very best effort.

bgz, I suspect that your information is coming from opinions people have put out there, not from NASA. You should have a look at there actual data and conclusions.

And as resilient as the ecosystem is, I think mankind could murder it in its sleep.
Brewha Offline
#758 Posted:
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teddyballgame wrote:
You still think this is REAL?


Stop being lead from crisis to crises. And don't forget, didn't we have the 2 coldest winters the previous 2 years? Or was that caused by warming as well?


http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2015/05/19/updated-nasa-data-polar-ice-not-receding-after-all/#2272edcb32da

Updated NASA Data: Global Warming Not Causing Any Polar Ice Retreat


Updated data from NASA satellite instruments reveal the Earth’s polar ice caps have not receded at all since the satellite instruments began measuring the ice caps in 1979. Since the end of 2012, moreover, total polar ice extent has largely remained above the post-1979 average. The updated data contradict one of the most frequently asserted global warming claims – that global warming is causing the polar ice caps to recede.

The timing of the 1979 NASA satellite instrument launch could not have been better for global warming alarmists. The late 1970s marked the end of a 30-year cooling trend. As a result, the polar ice caps were quite likely more extensive than they had been since at least the 1920s. Nevertheless, this abnormally extensive 1979 polar ice extent would appear to be the “normal” baseline when comparing post-1979 polar ice extent.

Updated NASA satellite data show the polar ice caps remained at approximately their 1979 extent until the middle of the last decade. Beginning in 2005, however, polar ice modestly receded for several years. By 2012, polar sea ice had receded by approximately 10 percent from 1979 measurements. (Total polar ice area – factoring in both sea and land ice – had receded by much less than 10 percent, but alarmists focused on the sea ice loss as “proof” of a global warming crisis.)



A 10-percent decline in polar sea ice is not very remarkable, especially considering the 1979 baseline was abnormally high anyway. Regardless, global warming activists and a compliant news media frequently and vociferously claimed the modest polar ice cap retreat was a sign of impending catastrophe. Al Gore even predicted the Arctic ice cap could completely disappear by 2014.

In late 2012, however, polar ice dramatically rebounded and quickly surpassed the post-1979 average. Ever since, the polar ice caps have been at a greater average extent than the post-1979 mean.

Now, in May 2015, the updated NASA data show polar sea ice is approximately 5 percent above the post-1979 average.


THAT damned science data!!

TeddyBall!!! Woot

Always a pleasure to see you weigh in on a topic. And again you did not disappoint.

No supprise that the opinion peice you cited does not agree with what NASA has published. Now I gather that you have never actually been to the NASA web site, which is at least part of why you did not distinguish opinion from fact. Their addy is:

Climate.NASA.Gov

Try not to have your head explode when you look at the actual data.

And keep those card and letters coming....


DrafterX Offline
#759 Posted:
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NASA is gubment funded also... just sayin... Mellow
teedubbya Offline
#760 Posted:
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Well they did lie about landing on the moon and stuff
DrafterX Offline
#761 Posted:
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True. . True... Mellow
Brewha Offline
#762 Posted:
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Wait - I thought that was only a movie -
tonygraz Offline
#763 Posted:
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That's what Putin said.



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QMPASH Offline
#764 Posted:
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The problem with global warming is just what's causing it? For example, while ice seems to be disappearing from the Arctic, the reverse seems to be true in Antarctica. Reducing our carbon footprint is a good idea but at what cost? Millions of dollars and millions of jobs? Is that what you want? The drastic actions proposed by some are only the beginning. The end result some want is the complete destruction of civilization and most of the human race, except themselves.
Brewha Offline
#765 Posted:
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QMPASH wrote:
The problem with global warming is just what's causing it? For example, while ice seems to be disappearing from the Arctic, the reverse seems to be true in Antarctica. Reducing our carbon footprint is a good idea but at what cost? Millions of dollars and millions of jobs? Is that what you want? The drastic actions proposed by some are only the beginning. The end result some want is the complete destruction of civilization and most of the human race, except themselves.

Of cource, pollution from our industrial revolution is the cause. That is the no longer a point of debate.

When we retool and change our hardware, cars, energy production, industrial processes - new technologies and convention create new markets and jobs. Good news if you invest in the new markets, bad news if you own a coal plant.

Just like we killed the buggie whip industry because we started building cars, so too does the world need to evolve to stop ruining the environment. That's what I want. Make incandescent light bulbs restricted for production while bolstering investment in new LED lights - better for most everyone in the long run. Unless you own a old style light bulb plant - too bad.

Now it's not just us fool liberals - The Pentagon has gone on record that climate change presents a nation threat.
Google it -
Brewha Offline
#766 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
That's what Putin said.



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I heard he sits on a ritz.....
tonygraz Offline
#767 Posted:
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Are you trying to razz putin ?
frankj1 Offline
#768 Posted:
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ouch!
DrMaddVibe Offline
#769 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
Of cource, pollution from our industrial revolution is the cause. That is the no longer a point of debate.

When we retool and change our hardware, cars, energy production, industrial processes - new technologies and convention create new markets and jobs. Good news if you invest in the new markets, bad news if you own a coal plant.

Just like we killed the buggie whip industry because we started building cars, so too does the world need to evolve to stop ruining the environment. That's what I want. Make incandescent light bulbs restricted for production while bolstering investment in new LED lights - better for most everyone in the long run. Unless you own a old style light bulb plant - too bad.

Now it's not just us fool liberals - The Pentagon has gone on record that climate change presents a nation threat.
Google it -



Yeah, just like Kodak and their film...it was a good run while it lasted. They had a viable chance to stay out in front but instead listened to the "old guard" and doomed it's fate to the reality which is any fool from Mr. Kardashian to Miley Cyrus can operate a phone to take a picture of themselves without their film or their cameras or their developing procedures.

Who needs progress and besides shouldn't we have coal plants belching filth into the skies all over the place? Remember the good ol days when we lit up our homes with whale oil? Nothing really lit up the entire house like whale oil and child labor. Why, I'm getting all warm inside just thinking about how good we had it back then. We don't need no stinkin' progress. Why if we were just left alone to the old ways we'd be just like India, Mexico or some other 3rd World hovel that relishes heritage.
frankj1 Offline
#770 Posted:
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recycling was met with doom and gloom.
it's only a gigantic employer now.
DrafterX Offline
#771 Posted:
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Looking forward to the day we all blame those greedy bassards at Big Wind for $10 a gallon milk... Mellow
ZRX1200 Offline
#772 Posted:
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Frank, you ever watch Penn & Tellar's Bullschit?
tamapatom Offline
#773 Posted:
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It's getting hot in here.I call Thread warming.
teddyballgame Offline
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Interesting read about Richard Lindzen a former meteorologist from MIT.

Pull quote(s):

For example, before global warming exploded onto the scene, Lindzen said, “no one at MIT called themselves climate scientists.” They were oceanographers and meteorologists by trade, but “only when funding came did we become climate scientists.”
"Lindzen said these environmental advocates are “posing” as experts to get more federal funding. This entire process reveals “a highly-concentrated effort to take over a field” in science. And, adding insult to injury, many of the academics and experts are now “gatekeepers” of climate change and push aside any anti-global warming studies."



Then there is also those 31000+ scientists that have signed their names rejecting the assumption that the human production of greenhouse gasses is damaging the Earth's climate. But I am sure they are all climate deniers, since the science is settled and dissenting opinions and facts must be disregarded.

http://www.wnd.com/2008/05/64734/


Just what is the correct ambient temperature of the Earth supposed to be?
Maybe if we knew that, we would know if the Earth is currently too cold and heating up to normal, or is it too hot and then we should be cooling down.
frankj1 Offline
#775 Posted:
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ZRX1200 wrote:
Frank, you ever watch Penn & Tellar's Bullschit?

never heard of it, but if you are suggesting it, I will watch.
used to love their act.
Brewha Offline
#776 Posted:
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tonygraz wrote:
Are you trying to razz putin ?

Wrong guy. Your thinking of the Russian who ate a whole drug store and lived.
Brewha Offline
#777 Posted:
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DrafterX wrote:
Looking forward to the day we all blame those greedy bassards at Big Wind for $10 a gallon milk... Mellow

I heard that the big wind mills are slowing down the wind around the globe.
Which is destroying our chem trails.
dstieger Offline
#778 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
I heard that the big wind mills are slowing down the wind around the globe.
Which is destroying our chem trails.



They naturally suck the energy out of the wind, so I suppose the first sentence must be true.

But, wouldn't slower wind have more trouble dispersing the evil chem trails? Sounds as though wind farms(and wind power subsidies, especially) just might be part of the greater chemtrail conspiracy....
Brewha Offline
#779 Posted:
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I think the chem trails need the wind to disperse the chemicals. So the wind mills are preventing us from having the full benefit of the chem trails we put up there and stuff.

tonygraz Offline
#780 Posted:
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Did one state's legislators want to bad wind mills because they would slow down the earth rotation ? Maybe t-ball sent them a site where it was proven.
teddyballgame Offline
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tonygraz, you may be confusing that with one of your "brilliant" congressman that thought that too many troops capsize Guam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjG958lZ1KI

The biggest fools are in the Dem Party in Washington D.C.
Brewha Offline
#782 Posted:
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teddyballgame wrote:
tonygraz, you may be confusing that with one of your "brilliant" congressman that thought that too many troops capsize Guam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjG958lZ1KI

The biggest fools are in the Dem Party in Washington D.C.

You're NOT Republican????
teddyballgame Offline
#783 Posted:
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tonyg can write his own bad material brother, he does't need you shooting holes in his comedy boat.
Brewha Offline
#784 Posted:
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True...true....


Sorry Tony, I,,,,I,,,,couldn't help myself. Bored
tonygraz Offline
#785 Posted:
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No problem Brewski, and T-ball is not a republickin, he's nuts.



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frankj1 Offline
#786 Posted:
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[quote=teddyballgame]Interesting read about Richard Lindzen a former meteorologist from MIT./quote]

Dude! Please read the Forum Rules. Your side is only allowed to disparage sources from the likes of MIT, Harvard, or any and all other institutions of higher learning located in places like The People's Republic of Cambridge.

Sorry. Can't have it both ways, and I haven't razzed you in a while.
bgz Offline
#787 Posted:
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Brewha wrote:
bgz, I suspect that your information is coming from opinions people have put out there, not from NASA. You should have a look at there actual data and conclusions.

And as resilient as the ecosystem is, I think mankind could murder it in its sleep.


This is the article I read.

http://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses

I'm not denying that we are pumping sh17 tons of co2 in the air, I'm saying that we were supposed to be dead already from predictions long ago.

I think we're moving along just fine as a species.

There's incentives to utilize new power sources and new solar tech is rapidly being pumped out. Scientists are constantly figuring out new ways to optimize existing tech.

Developing countries are trying to implement alternative power sources including China.

IMO, nuclear is the way to go, most bang for your buck... people are afraid of nukes, but what ever.

We'll be fine, still not buying the doom and gloom stuff.

Killing a planet is hard, don't care what you say.

Even if we did manage to completely wipe out humans (probably have better luck trying to crack an AES 256 key), the cockroaches and tardigrades will survive!
tonygraz Offline
#788 Posted:
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I'm not concerned with the antartic, but with the ice melt in the artic. If the melting changes the ocean currents as predicted it will likely have a devastation effect on the climate. Just look at what the warming in the pacific has done to some aquatic species.
QMPASH Offline
#789 Posted:
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You may be right but consider: if all human activity were to end today, it would take 1000 years to drop world-wide temperatures 1 degree. That seems to suggest that something else is at work besides pollution. But don' t worry. In about 5 billion years our Sun will become a red giant and, long before that happens, this argument will have become academic.
frankj1 Offline
#790 Posted:
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bgz wrote:
This is the article I read.

http://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses

I'm not denying that we are pumping sh17 tons of co2 in the air, I'm saying that we were supposed to be dead already from predictions long ago.

I think we're moving along just fine as a species.

There's incentives to utilize new power sources and new solar tech is rapidly being pumped out. Scientists are constantly figuring out new ways to optimize existing tech.

Developing countries are trying to implement alternative power sources including China.

IMO, nuclear is the way to go, most bang for your buck... people are afraid of nukes, but what ever.

We'll be fine, still not buying the doom and gloom stuff.

Killing a planet is hard, don't care what you say.

Even if we did manage to completely wipe out humans (probably have better luck trying to crack an AES 256 key), the cockroaches and tardigrades will survive!

it may not be the actual energy that is feared, but rather disposal of the waste. I must admit I am surprised that after so many decades, no truly safe solution exists.
bgz Offline
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They keep trying to obtain stable fusion... just always seems to be 10 years out.

But ya, storing waste is a bit of a problem... but they have gotten more efficient over the years both in terms of amount of waste and amount of usable power.
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#792 Posted:
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we should just dump in outer-space somewhere.... Mellow
tailgater Offline
#793 Posted:
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bgz wrote:


Even if we did manage to completely wipe out humans (probably have better luck trying to crack an AES 256 key), the cockroaches and tardigrades will survive!


Not to mention the Kardashians...

tonygraz Offline
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DrafterX wrote:
we should just dump in outer-space somewhere.... Mellow


And hope the rocket doesn't malfunction on the way up.
DrafterX Offline
#795 Posted:
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It's always somethin with you huh... Not talking
Brewha Offline
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We should put the nuke waste in line at the DMV - I would never be seen again....
MACS Offline
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http://conservative50.com/climate-change-what-do-scientists-say-prageru/
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#798 Posted:
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MACS wrote:
http://conservative50.com/climate-change-what-do-scientists-say-prageru/


So because I'm a masochist I watched that bit of tripe.
The video is described as "Summarizes the science behind climate change".... did you actually watch it? Did you think it summarized ANY science?

The only science it actually mentioned was global mean temperature... and they played a fun slight of hand there. His quote "has gone up 1 degree since the 1800s, but CO2 emissions should only have an impact from the 1960s" is laughable because it assumes that the audience is just going to nod their heads and say "yeah!"....

So I looked up "global mean temperature" at the NASA site. It is recorded from the 1800s on.
But prior to about 1930 it goes up/down all around.... then it starts edging up. Then about 1965 it starts an almost nonstop climb.... here's the link if you want:
http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/
You could keep that line running realatively flat all the way back to 0AD (if the data existed) and then claim "global mean temperature has gone up 1 degree since 0AD, but...." it's a bull**** statistical slight of hand.

Again, I don't care about global warming. Burn the planet to the ground if you want. But to mask tripe like that video as anything other than propaganda is just disgustingly anti-intellectual.
MACS Offline
#799 Posted:
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Now there's a surprise. Victor wants to argue.

It's non-stop with you. The way you talk on this forum, it's as if God, Himself endowed you with the knowledge of everyfuckingthing.

I did watch the video. The guy is an atmospheric physicist that taught at MIT. Pardon me if I take his word over yours.
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#800 Posted:
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His word about what?
I agree he's an atmospheric scientist and should have much more data to discuss than I'm seeing in that video.

So tell me, what has he said in that video that delivers the value of filming an atmospheric scientist? That there are two groups of scientists? That there's media? That he's in one group of scientists and then there's another?

But by all means, just continue complaining that I'm disagreeing with something you chose to post...

...what's even most irritating is that your little passive aggressive bs about "endowed you with the knowledge...blah blah lah". I pointed out exactly what I looked up and where I looked it up. His video had exactly one point of data which any moron could double check. I chose to look at it. You can feel free to look at it too, and disagree with my assessment. Or you can whine that I'm pretending to know more than everyone else... because that's a real productive way to discuss things.
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