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Holy french-fry! I always knew that someday we would unmask the evil villain who is behind all of this.

Just you wait until I tell Commissioner Gordon!

I think it is interesting that when this post first came out we spoke in terms of global warming. Now we speak in terms of climate change. The question is who to believe. Data can be manipulated to prove almost any hypothesis. For example the depletion of the Ozone layer was considered catastrophic and irreversible at one point in time. Now the Ozone layer is thickening, the hole has ceased growing, and there are projections that the hole will start decreasing in about 10 years. At one time every piece of information on climate change was stating the end of the world as we know it. Now there is information such as a report from Stanford that paints a very different picture.

So 30 years ago, we bit the bullet and started retooling to get rid of CFC's and the long term investment is not only paying off with an improvement in the ozone, but some jobs were created along the way. Of course it was the guvmut that forced industry to make the needed changes, cuz industry only does what is good for industry.

Not that I would suggest that we always trust the govmut. But in the case of industry, there is nothing to trust. From their doctors testimony that cigarettes are not a health risk, to today's assertion that fraking cannot destabilize land and cause earthquakes they are completely out for their bottom line.

So when I read what the scientific community has to say about greenhouse gasses, and I realize what it will take to retool energy production and use, well is seems a might obvious who to believe.

is this the new 750?

Ah, my good friend Wheel. Speaking from behind the curtain again.
And with none of Oz’s abilities or talents as usual….

unrealistic pollution standards that drive up the cost of my utilities while lining the pockets of the bassards that set them.....

the one that says we can't marry our cousins...

Good. Now I admit that I do not understand all of the details of this. It is a really big subject and there are lots of things that are affected. So rather than argue the 26-28% angle I will point out that it really is a case by case, industry by industry issue. But remember that the US and China both agree it is doable. And if anybody needs to do it, the Chinese are first on the list.

I look to the future with optimism. The changes we need to make will bring new technologies and cultural evolution. Now I hate to think of us giving up V8 engines, but now that I have seen a Tesla I feel better about the changes that are coming.

We can’t live in the past and just keep burning coal because it is cheap and easy. It is just one example of something we need to grow out of and we can absolutely do it – we’ve already started. And I like seeing windmills and solar cells because they are so much better than smoke stacks. Taking a crap on the Earth may be alright for Victor and the like, but not for me – I have six grandkids….

ya, not sure where that came from..

Hey....I find that comment offensive.

Just read where the sun is cooling and they're predicting a smaller ice age.

Global warming.
Buncha maroons.

No, I'm not.

He's not an expert on global warming or cooling or even climate change. He's a TV personality that happened to have a mechanical engineering degree.

Its people like you believing in this guy that give Joel Olsteen hope for a continued scam!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OStuYmsMGg4

What am I gonna do with those?

Seriously?

Well I have a suggestion........

I pulled out about 15 Maples today.

I don't know if I've chimed in on this thread yet, but a study from NASA last year said that the polar caps are actually gaining ice in total. They also said they are in agreement with a certain section of the cap losing ice, but from satellite data they've said that the ice in the antarctic cap has had a net gain over the past couple decades.

They also agree that the sea level is rising, but it's worrisome because they do not know where it's coming from.

Also, studies have shown that with the increase in CO2 in the atmosphere, it causes plant life to grow faster than usual (in turn sucking up more CO2).

So what I'm trying to say, is the ecosystem we have here is far more dynamic than anyone wants to give it credit for.

As far as dire change that's going to cause doom and gloom for the planet and kill everything... I'm just not seeing it.

I'm sure something other than man-made climate change will wipe us out before that happens.

Destroying a planet is hard, I don't think we could destroy everything on this planet and completely wipe out humanity even if we gave it our very best effort.

that's what they used to say on Mars, too.

You still think this is REAL?


Stop being lead from crisis to crises. And don't forget, didn't we have the 2 coldest winters the previous 2 years? Or was that caused by warming as well?


http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2015/05/19/updated-nasa-data-polar-ice-not-receding-after-all/#2272edcb32da

Updated NASA Data: Global Warming Not Causing Any Polar Ice Retreat


Updated data from NASA satellite instruments reveal the Earth’s polar ice caps have not receded at all since the satellite instruments began measuring the ice caps in 1979. Since the end of 2012, moreover, total polar ice extent has largely remained above the post-1979 average. The updated data contradict one of the most frequently asserted global warming claims – that global warming is causing the polar ice caps to recede.

The timing of the 1979 NASA satellite instrument launch could not have been better for global warming alarmists. The late 1970s marked the end of a 30-year cooling trend. As a result, the polar ice caps were quite likely more extensive than they had been since at least the 1920s. Nevertheless, this abnormally extensive 1979 polar ice extent would appear to be the “normal” baseline when comparing post-1979 polar ice extent.

Updated NASA satellite data show the polar ice caps remained at approximately their 1979 extent until the middle of the last decade. Beginning in 2005, however, polar ice modestly receded for several years. By 2012, polar sea ice had receded by approximately 10 percent from 1979 measurements. (Total polar ice area – factoring in both sea and land ice – had receded by much less than 10 percent, but alarmists focused on the sea ice loss as “proof” of a global warming crisis.)



A 10-percent decline in polar sea ice is not very remarkable, especially considering the 1979 baseline was abnormally high anyway. Regardless, global warming activists and a compliant news media frequently and vociferously claimed the modest polar ice cap retreat was a sign of impending catastrophe. Al Gore even predicted the Arctic ice cap could completely disappear by 2014.

In late 2012, however, polar ice dramatically rebounded and quickly surpassed the post-1979 average. Ever since, the polar ice caps have been at a greater average extent than the post-1979 mean.

Now, in May 2015, the updated NASA data show polar sea ice is approximately 5 percent above the post-1979 average.


THAT damned science data!!

Gubment money...

I'll let ya know if I see anything.

http://www.suerosoffphotography.com/users/SueRosoff4830/Image//Kwajalein2000.jpg

It gets warm every summer at the same time everyone is driving cars to go on vacation . Suspicious.

So you're saying NASA is releasing faulty data?

Yeah and God knows there's NO money in the watermelon movement.

Run a non-profit. Sue for the spotted frog moth. Use administrative law to your advantage. Get settlement. Fund campaigns for Democrats who perpetuate the cycle.

Rinse repeat.