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Unbanded trade/review round 2
Puffnstuff79 Offline
#101 Posted:
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I'll take bitter klinger if its ok that they don't ship out til Monday?
Bitter Klinger Offline
#102 Posted:
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Puffnstuff79 wrote:
I'll take bitter klinger if its ok that they don't ship out til Monday?


Thanks Puff, that's fine, thanks for the pick-up.

BK
Puffnstuff79 Offline
#103 Posted:
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With that being said who wants to embarrass me with my noob cigar palate. I'll probably call your yard a primo.
erjaq Offline
#104 Posted:
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Remember that you have to send one premium stick, fluffy. PM me if you're confused about what that means.





























Sarcasm
Puffnstuff79 Offline
#105 Posted:
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What's a PM?
Puffnstuff79 Offline
#106 Posted:
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Stick?
chazbo Offline
#107 Posted:
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pm = private message
Just read the rules on the first post and then pm Bitter Klinger for his addy.
Chazbo
Puffnstuff79 Offline
#108 Posted:
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Puffnstuff79 wrote:
What's a PM?

Sarcasm
frozenphoenix1 Offline
#109 Posted:
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I will pick up fluffy... unless chazbo would like to close this madness out.
Bitter Klinger Offline
#110 Posted:
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Noooo, don't close the madness! We like the madness! More madness!!

We need moar players.

Somebody smack some vets around to jump in...I heard busa wants in...
chazbo Offline
#111 Posted:
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Frozenphoenix, jump in bro.
If no one else wants to play by next week then
I'll shut it down
frozenphoenix1 Offline
#112 Posted:
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Alright... I'm in... Fluffy send me an addy.

who wants to send me round 3 for review?
chazbo Offline
#113 Posted:
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Ok Dokie with frozenphoenix1 picking up Bitter Klinger we will end this for now
****CLOSED*******
Thanks for playing all it was fun
Chazbo
euodias Offline
#114 Posted:
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Number #1 from Bitter Klinger

Initial inspection: A thick robusto, 52 gauge I would guess with a milk chocolate colored wrapper featuring a few thin, lightly colored veins. Looks a little loosely filled but is solid to the touch. Appears decently constructed. Cold draw has a hint of hay

Flavor: opens really well with a sweet chocolate flavor, with maybe a hint of spice. The finish is a little grassy. As the smoke progresses a coffee flavor develops, turning the chocolate into more of a mocha flavor. The secondary flavor goes from grassy to some kind of cardboard flavor towards the middle. Fortunately, that flavor sweetens into something more pleasing. I wrote down 'dry cognac' in my notes, but I must have been pretty drunk by then. The mocha is joined by some fruity notes towards the final third, rounding out a pretty nice cigar

Strength: medium at best. This isn't what I would call a strong cigar, but it isn't mild either. Not much of a nicotine buzz.

Burn: is a little crooked, burning faster along one of the veins. Needed a touch up about half way in. The ash holds well

Draw: Perfect, which is really surprising with the size of the branch stuck in this thing

Evaluation: I liked this cigar a lot more than I thought I would on the initial inspection. The cigar it reminded me most of would be the Romacraft CroMagnon, though it lacked the strength and a little bit of the richness of the ones that I have had. That said, it was a fine cigar, and if you can get it for less than a CroMagnon, I'd say you got a pretty good deal.
illinichaser Offline
#115 Posted:
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Number 3 from Greg (DCLover) tonight. Sittin on the porch after a weekend of camping with the boy scouts, decided to fire one up.


4.5 x 44 or so, cigar was fairly dark, with very few veins., and a double cap Overall a very smooth wrapper. Cold draw was rich tobacco with a hint of chocolate. Did my usual, toast the foot, cut and take a draw. Seemed tight, when I wnet to take a second draw the cigar was out. D'oh. . . Re-light, this time with a draw. Draw opens up. Now this thing is just billowing smoke. Lots of leather. A little light pepper in the back of my mouth. Wow, a ton of smoke on the draws, lots of body. Ash is a white to gray. Initial ash held about an inch before falling. Its burning really fast. . . With the smoke and the speed its going, reminds me a lot of how the papas fritas smoke.(I hope I didn't insult Greg just now. . . ) Its definitely not a papas fritas though as those are much darker and have that pig tail cap. Throughout the cigar, lots of leather, got an occaisonal hint of cedar, but not much other than that. Ash consistently holds to about an inch. Overall this has not been a bad cigar. I'm assuming at this point this is the "yard gar" of the bunch. Its not been bad, just the way its burning so fast, and is so consistent in the flavor, would put it in that category for me. A good poker cigar, one I can set down to play a hand, then pick up right where I left off. Final 1/3 of the cigar, still more of the first .. . . Smoked to the nub in about 45 minutes (this may not sound fast to most, but for me it is. Typically takes me about an hour, fifteen to smoke even petite corona's.

So, based on this and a little review reading, gonna guess a rocky patel sun grown petite robusto. Size and color seem to match, and I read a couple of reviews that seemed to almost mirror mine.


Thanks again Greg, really enjoy trying these out blind. . .
DCLover Offline
#116 Posted:
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#3 was the yard gar, Obsidian mini corona.

Didn't get to any of mine, too much on my honeydo list.
Bitter Klinger Offline
#117 Posted:
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euodias wrote:
Number #1 from Bitter Klinger

Initial inspection: A thick robusto, 52 gauge I would guess with a milk chocolate colored wrapper featuring a few thin, lightly colored veins. Looks a little loosely filled but is solid to the touch. Appears decently constructed. Cold draw has a hint of hay

Flavor: opens really well with a sweet chocolate flavor, with maybe a hint of spice. The finish is a little grassy. As the smoke progresses a coffee flavor develops, turning the chocolate into more of a mocha flavor. The secondary flavor goes from grassy to some kind of cardboard flavor towards the middle. Fortunately, that flavor sweetens into something more pleasing. I wrote down 'dry cognac' in my notes, but I must have been pretty drunk by then. The mocha is joined by some fruity notes towards the final third, rounding out a pretty nice cigar

Strength: medium at best. This isn't what I would call a strong cigar, but it isn't mild either. Not much of a nicotine buzz.

Burn: is a little crooked, burning faster along one of the veins. Needed a touch up about half way in. The ash holds well

Draw: Perfect, which is really surprising with the size of the branch stuck in this thing

Evaluation: I liked this cigar a lot more than I thought I would on the initial inspection. The cigar it reminded me most of would be the Romacraft CroMagnon, though it lacked the strength and a little bit of the richness of the ones that I have had. That said, it was a fine cigar, and if you can get it for less than a CroMagnon, I'd say you got a pretty good deal.


It was a Black Crown SOA, the yard gar of the group, ~$3. If I get the opportunity to buy more at under 2, I'll bite again, but not until. They're playing on the name, I think. My impressions were very similiar to your review, except for the cardboard notes - did you remove the band? jester
euodias Offline
#118 Posted:
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Bitter Klinger wrote:
It was a Black Crown SOA, the yard gar of the group, ~$3. If I get the opportunity to buy more at under 2, I'll bite again, but not until. They're playing on the name, I think. My impressions were very similiar to your review, except for the cardboard notes - did you remove the band? jester


No, you removed the band dunbazz. The cardboard note was brief, towards the middle. It really wasn't a bad cigar. You can do far worse at that price point, and because of the flash in the pan licensing deal, chances are you'll get a chance to buy them on clearance real soon.
euodias Offline
#119 Posted:
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Number #2 from Bitter Klinger

Initial inspection: A robusto, Firm, with a brown wrapper featuring a few thin, darker colored veins. Wrapper has some tooth to it and appears to show some oil. Good fill with some darker leaves in there as well Appears decently constructed. Cold draw has a hint of barnyard, but its faint. Clipping the cap reveals some steams, but the draw seems fine.

Flavor: This cigar opened up with primarily some bitter chocolate flavors, with a little bit of a floral second note and sweet honey after taste. After about an inch those flavor melded into more of milk chocolate flavor, where it settled for most of the smoke. Paired really well with the Zaya 12 year rum I was drinking. A lot of earthy notes came in to play at places in this cigar. Some were nice, like the floral notes in the beginning, but are some points it really tasted more like dirt. The retro-hale one this cigar wasn't great, at one point there seemed to be a little chemically flavor in there. Not ammonia, more like chlorine. It didn't last, but it sure was strange.

Strength: medium at best, maybe a little into full. Again, this isn't what I would call a strong cigar, but it isn't mild either.

Burn: is a perfect. The ash holds well, about an inch and a half

Draw: Perfect

Evaluation: Judging by the quality of the tobacco in this cigar and the construction, this seemed to be a higher quality cigar than #1. Flavor wise, it just wasn't me thing. The earthy notes just didn't do it for me and the retro-hale flavors didn't help. I suspect some of that will improve with age, especially the retro-hale. Not a bad stick by any means, it just wasn't clicking for me. I'd be really interested to know how old it was. It had a good smoothness to it, but that chemical taste left me puzzled. I wouldn't shell out big money for this, but if its in the $5 range I'd say you did fine with it.

#3 was a little damaged, so I'm gonna try to do a quick repair and smoke it next weekend.
Puffnstuff79 Offline
#120 Posted:
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Klinger - 9114901159815154221481
Bitter Klinger Offline
#121 Posted:
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euodias wrote:
Number #2 from Bitter Klinger

Initial inspection: A robusto, Firm, with a brown wrapper featuring a few thin, darker colored veins. Wrapper has some tooth to it and appears to show some oil. Good fill with some darker leaves in there as well Appears decently constructed. Cold draw has a hint of barnyard, but its faint. Clipping the cap reveals some steams, but the draw seems fine.

Flavor: This cigar opened up with primarily some bitter chocolate flavors, with a little bit of a floral second note and sweet honey after taste. After about an inch those flavor melded into more of milk chocolate flavor, where it settled for most of the smoke. Paired really well with the Zaya 12 year rum I was drinking. A lot of earthy notes came in to play at places in this cigar. Some were nice, like the floral notes in the beginning, but are some points it really tasted more like dirt. The retro-hale one this cigar wasn't great, at one point there seemed to be a little chemically flavor in there. Not ammonia, more like chlorine. It didn't last, but it sure was strange.

Strength: medium at best, maybe a little into full. Again, this isn't what I would call a strong cigar, but it isn't mild either.

Burn: is a perfect. The ash holds well, about an inch and a half

Draw: Perfect

Evaluation: Judging by the quality of the tobacco in this cigar and the construction, this seemed to be a higher quality cigar than #1. Flavor wise, it just wasn't me thing. The earthy notes just didn't do it for me and the retro-hale flavors didn't help. I suspect some of that will improve with age, especially the retro-hale. Not a bad stick by any means, it just wasn't clicking for me. I'd be really interested to know how old it was. It had a good smoothness to it, but that chemical taste left me puzzled. I wouldn't shell out big money for this, but if its in the $5 range I'd say you did fine with it.

#3 was a little damaged, so I'm gonna try to do a quick repair and smoke it next weekend.

#2 was an Alec Bradley Black Market. Less than a month old. Interesting chemical note, I've smoked a few of these, but never picked up any chlorine before, were you smoking it underwater in a pool by chance?

Yes, the band on #3 just started to lift the wrapper as I removed it - I didn't have any wrapper glue, and if I were smoking it, I'd just use spit. All this seems like deja vu all over again for some reason...I hope you don't pick up any windex or drano notes in the next one, but to be fair - don't ash it on an empty stomach :)
Palama Offline
#122 Posted:
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euodias wrote:
No, you removed the band dunbazz. The cardboard note was brief, towards the middle. It really wasn't a bad cigar. You can do far worse at that price point, and because of the flash in the pan licensing deal, chances are you'll get a chance to buy them on clearance real soon.


Classic! d'oh!
Bitter Klinger Offline
#123 Posted:
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Puffnstuff79 wrote:
Klinger - 9114901159815154221481


Thanks Puff
Puffnstuff79 Offline
#124 Posted:
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Yw
frozenphoenix1 Offline
#125 Posted:
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Puff - 9405 9036 9930 0175 5522 26
euodias Offline
#126 Posted:
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Bitter Klinger wrote:
#2 was an Alec Bradley Black Market. Less than a month old. Interesting chemical note, I've smoked a few of these, but never picked up any chlorine before, were you smoking it underwater in a pool by chance?

Yes, the band on #3 just started to lift the wrapper as I removed it - I didn't have any wrapper glue, and if I were smoking it, I'd just use spit. All this seems like deja vu all over again for some reason...I hope you don't pick up any windex or drano notes in the next one, but to be fair - don't ash it on an empty stomach :)


Just like the cardboard note in #1, the chemical flavor in #2 was a passing note, there and gone again, but so weird that I had to write it down.

Visual inspection of #3 didn't seem to indicate much of a problem with the wrapper, I might just smoke it as is. It does look a hell of a lot like a fausto though.
chazbo Offline
#127 Posted:
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Frozenphoenix1 your sticks went out today #9114 9012 3080 1463 0938 44
With that this thread has come to an end!
Great fun
Chazbo
erjaq Offline
#128 Posted:
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Thanks again, chazbo -- I had a blast with this.
Bitter Klinger Offline
#129 Posted:
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euodias wrote:
Just like the cardboard note in #1, the chemical flavor in #2 was a passing note, there and gone again, but so weird that I had to write it down.

Visual inspection of #3 didn't seem to indicate much of a problem with the wrapper, I might just smoke it as is. It does look a hell of a lot like a fausto though.


Gotcha. I was kinda laughing on the cardboard note, but then the chem. thing made me LOL, so I went all smartazz on yas. #3 is not a fausto tho, strike one, haha!
Bitter Klinger Offline
#130 Posted:
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Got Puffs sticks today. Puff's no noob, guys.

3 nice looking sticks for review, including one Presidente - sized beauty. Can't wait to get ta puffin on these.

The hitch hikers are 2 CC's - a Monte #2 AND a Monte No, 4 or 5, not sure which. Very nice, Puff!

Thanks a bunch, bro! Awesome!

BK Herfing

Bitter Klinger Offline
#131 Posted:
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chazbo wrote:
Frozenphoenix1 your sticks went out today #9114 9012 3080 1463 0938 44
With that this thread has come to an end!
Great fun
Chazbo


Thanks for doing a round 2 Chazbo. I'm glad you did this - and I would be up for more still, but we do need some more players...

Reviews to folow soon...

BK
Puffnstuff79 Offline
#132 Posted:
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Frozenphoenix1's sfr landed today. I feel like a winner. Been waiting to see what the fuss was about with the seemingly go to for a lot of people psd4 and anejo (46?). Thanks bro. I think these are gonna be fun. Can't help but to start guessing right away. I'll hit em up this weekend as long as I start feeling better. First rain then some bug.
frozenphoenix1 Offline
#133 Posted:
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Well... got Chazbos sticks today with a couple nh hitchhikers... room 101 Namakubi and a la palina classic. Will post up a review of the others as I am able sit back and analyze them

Thanks again for running these Chazbo!
euodias Offline
#134 Posted:
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Number #3 from Bitter Klinger

Initial inspection: This cigar was about 5.5x54. I guess this would be a robusto extra. If had a reddish brown wrapper with a few water spots. There were some dark leaves in the filler, looked also oscuro. The foot was very lightly packed, which made me suspect that this was a recent Pepin rolled stick. For whatever reason, recent cigars I've had from there have been very loose in the foot. The cold draw is open and tastes a bit like raisins.

Flavor: This cigar opens with a charred oak flavor and a lot of white pepper. Pretty dry finish. The retrohale brings the pepper up a notch, more of a red pepper flake. As it goes a little more sweetness come in, with some dark roast coffee flavors. There isn't much subtlety in this cigar, fairly one dimensional, which tends to happen when you have blend this strong

Strength: As promised, this is a strong cigar. Just a tick below brutal. Not enough to make me queasy, but certainly stronger than 95% of what I smoke these days.

Burn: is wavey and needed a correction about the halfway point and another near the end.

Draw: Draw is good, but at times this cigars doesn't want to burn quite right. Just a little off here and there, nothing terminally bad.

Evaluation: I am 95% sure that this was one of those surrogates blends. I forget the name for this size. Something ridiculous like face kicker or knob polisher Think . I dunno, I haven't had one in 2 years. The flavors do remind me a little of some Viaje blends. Its a good cigar if you like strong ones. I've been gravitating away from the really strong stuff lately since they kinda kill my palate and the flavor don't entertain me as much.
Bitter Klinger Offline
#135 Posted:
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euodias wrote:
Number #3 from Bitter Klinger

Initial inspection: This cigar was about 5.5x54. I guess this would be a robusto extra. If had a reddish brown wrapper with a few water spots. There were some dark leaves in the filler, looked also oscuro. The foot was very lightly packed, which made me suspect that this was a recent Pepin rolled stick. For whatever reason, recent cigars I've had from there have been very loose in the foot. The cold draw is open and tastes a bit like raisins.

Flavor: This cigar opens with a charred oak flavor and a lot of white pepper. Pretty dry finish. The retrohale brings the pepper up a notch, more of a red pepper flake. As it goes a little more sweetness come in, with some dark roast coffee flavors. There isn't much subtlety in this cigar, fairly one dimensional, which tends to happen when you have blend this strong

Strength: As promised, this is a strong cigar. Just a tick below brutal. Not enough to make me queasy, but certainly stronger than 95% of what I smoke these days.

Burn: is wavey and needed a correction about the halfway point and another near the end.

Draw: Draw is good, but at times this cigars doesn't want to burn quite right. Just a little off here and there, nothing terminally bad.

Evaluation: I am 95% sure that this was one of those surrogates blends. I forget the name for this size. Something ridiculous like face kicker or knob polisher Think . I dunno, I haven't had one in 2 years. The flavors do remind me a little of some Viaje blends. Its a good cigar if you like strong ones. I've been gravitating away from the really strong stuff lately since they kinda kill my palate and the flavor don't entertain me as much.


Good Review!Not a skull crushing bone kicker tho...And since I only have one other, and I havn't tried one yet, I'm happy to know what I'm in for...it was a JDN 1970 Antano. My tobacconist said "if you like pepper, here's a good one to try". Looks like he was right. I'm looking forward to it even more now! Melikes the pepper!

BK
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#136 Posted:
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OK, review stick #1 stick from Puffnstuff was a 6x52ish Toro. The wrapper was an attractively mottled maduro with a double cap, visible seams, no tooth and light oil sheen. It was densely packed and had a mild hay aroma. After a straight guillotine cut, the draw was excellent with just the slightest resistance.

The first draw after a short toasting, it immediately produced a large volume of creamy smoke. A bit of black pepper on the initial draws and the taste of smooth, aged tobacco with the maduro wrapper providing the most dominant taste. Finishes were medium in length, with no other tastes being picked up at this point. The first ash drop came early at just over ½ inch, it was grey in color, and light but not flaky.

The most interesting and nice thing I noticed was the footsmoke was nearly non-existant, yet even after resting it would produce so much smoke that before the end of a normal draw, the smoke was pouring off the foot. I wish every cigar had the same draw and smoke production qualities as this one, it was perfect. It had a medium at most flavor profile, and no nicotine strength. The retrohales were very smooth.

Entering the second third, it stayed consistent to the first, though the finishes shortened and the pepper was minimal. Dominant taste for me was still the maddie wrapper. I’m not a huge maddie fan, but this one was very good. The cigar burned evenly until the half-way point, and then got a little crooked, but needed no attention. Unfortunately, it began to tunnel a bit, so I doctored the edges, trying to keep it even, which worked OK for an inch or so, but then it went out. I had to re-light it a couple more times, and although the smoke production was OK, it wasn’t the same as before.

Finishing out at 1:45, this was an overall good stick. I know I haven’t smoked one before, I’d have remembered the taste, the great smoke prod. & draw. I would smoke another if I were in a Maduro mood. I had a hard time telling its origins, as it didn’t taste distinctively Nicaraguan or Dominican – What was it? Maybe a Gurkha? I've not tried a Gurkha Maddie before. Think
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#137 Posted:
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Any spots left in here or a third edition opening up? The super secret thread got me interested in testing my palate. Hopefully our weather will begin cooperating soon and I can actually dedicate an hour or more to a cigar (still in the 30's in May..)
frozenphoenix1 Offline
#138 Posted:
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danmdevries wrote:
Any spots left in here or a third edition opening up? The super secret thread got me interested in testing my palate. Hopefully our weather will begin cooperating soon and I can actually dedicate an hour or more to a cigar (still in the 30's in May..)


This is closed, but I got your addy and will send you some. I think that you are going to learn about an expanded palette through the secert bombing run, but I'll send you some unbanded ones to really sit down an analyze before you read other reviews on them. That is personally why I really like doing these.
frozenphoenix1 Offline
#139 Posted:
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Since I had a bit of relaxing time yesterday afternoon, Cigar #3 from Chazbo:

A 6 x 52 Torpedo with a medium brown wrapper. This cigar feels well constructed through the middle and the foot has a bit of a looser roll, with minimal veins. Clipped with the guillotine and the prelight draw has a bit of sweetness and hay flavor.

Toasted and lit with my single torch and the first few draws had an odd chemical flavor, but had a creamy texture left behind. This flavor dissipated shortly into the first third and gave way to a sweet tobacco and hay flavor profile. Started to have a canoeing issue right away and attempted a few touch-ups but the cigar was still burning fast along the same line.

The second third had some canoeing to start but straightened out by the middle of the cigar. Strong natural tobacco flavor and is still leaving a creamy/oily feel to the palette. No major flavor change from the start, but still an enjoyable light to medium smoke to this point.

The final third burned well and no touch-ups were required after the halfway point of the cigar. It's still leaving the sweet creaminess on in my mouth, but not showing anymore flavors than the first third. I was hoping that it would build a little more complexity, but this doesn't happen with all sticks.

A good medium smoke that would go well with some coffee in the morning, but nothing that would take up a regular buy from me.

chazbo Offline
#140 Posted:
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#3 was the new one from Casa Magna, the dominican
Chazbo
Puffnstuff79 Offline
#141 Posted:
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Bitter Klinger wrote:
OK, review stick #1 stick from Puffnstuff was a 6x52ish Toro. The wrapper was an attractively mottled maduro with a double cap, visible seams, no tooth and light oil sheen. It was densely packed and had a mild hay aroma. After a straight guillotine cut, the draw was excellent with just the slightest resistance.

The first draw after a short toasting, it immediately produced a large volume of creamy smoke. A bit of black pepper on the initial draws and the taste of smooth, aged tobacco with the maduro wrapper providing the most dominant taste. Finishes were medium in length, with no other tastes being picked up at this point. The first ash drop came early at just over ½ inch, it was grey in color, and light but not flaky.

The most interesting and nice thing I noticed was the footsmoke was nearly non-existant, yet even after resting it would produce so much smoke that before the end of a normal draw, the smoke was pouring off the foot. I wish every cigar had the same draw and smoke production qualities as this one, it was perfect. It had a medium at most flavor profile, and no nicotine strength. The retrohales were very smooth.

Entering the second third, it stayed consistent to the first, though the finishes shortened and the pepper was minimal. Dominant taste for me was still the maddie wrapper. I’m not a huge maddie fan, but this one was very good. The cigar burned evenly until the half-way point, and then got a little crooked, but needed no attention. Unfortunately, it began to tunnel a bit, so I doctored the edges, trying to keep it even, which worked OK for an inch or so, but then it went out. I had to re-light it a couple more times, and although the smoke production was OK, it wasn’t the same as before.

Finishing out at 1:45, this was an overall good stick. I know I haven’t smoked one before, I’d have remembered the taste, the great smoke prod. & draw. I would smoke another if I were in a Maduro mood. I had a hard time telling its origins, as it didn’t taste distinctively Nicaraguan or Dominican – What was it? Maybe a Gurkha? I've not tried a Gurkha Maddie before. Think


It was a Cuba Libre One. First box of smokes I ever bought. You picked up on the smoke out put too. I was smoking these in the car exclusively at first because they were non-offensive with after an quick air out and tree scent thingy. Another thing I liked about them is the consistency from one stick to the next. I never had a new issue even though they can have them. But for a couple bucks a stick they are great
Puffnstuff79 Offline
#142 Posted:
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From Frozenphoenix1 I present to you cigar #2 for review
6 x 52(?) torpedo. My nose isn't working very good but I smell something in the foot that makes me like it. The seams are good looking with a couple spots that I'm unsure of, but only time will tell if the create runs. The middle of the stick is packed tighter than the rest and in that thickness is also a thick vein. I'm going to assume problems in the middle of this stick between the vein, over stuffing, and loose seam. I keep an open mind as I head outside to toast it with the xikar, clip it with the xikar guillotine, and set it ablaze. 
First impressions, very light tastes for what I typically enjoy. The retro hale expanded it so that I could identify some tobacco and woodsy taste. I don't know the wood so well other than oak. It's not oak. It went bland and airy, burn got wonky, ash got flaky. Still in first third it straightens up and makes me think I started the wonky burn. Ash is holding strong but still a little flaky. The taste has turned over to a leather. I thought it was an accident but it went oily leather and that's a taste I like. Ash dropped on me at an inch. I want this to take off but it's not. It's not bad at all, it just keeps telling me it will be more. My daughter came up and showed me that she was chewing chocolate taffy. So guess what I tasted? Chocolate taffy. The second third is where that extra packing was. I think that had a secret recipe to it. It made the stick smooth, creamy on the retro, and not spicy at all. For a smoke in the sun this is turning out nice. For the size I think it was light. As an after thought then I think the extra packing in the middle would have been best packed that way all the way through. The ash is still flaky, the burn is not problematic but does tend to give along the veins and seams. I had my suspicions about this cigar earlier and I just keep thinking that I'm right. I'm entering the final third and there has been no complexity. The taste has been a consistent woodsy, light, tobacco taste with a here and there retro of creamy slick leather. Some of the wrapper is crackling but hasn't gone bad yet. Ok, an inch and a half left and it's going cranky. Bitter retro, exploding wrapper, I am all too convinced I have a Gurkha in hand. It blew up at 1 hr and 15 minutes with an inch and a half left. This was a mild to medium. Although I've never had it I'll guess a Gurkha Symphony. Judging it I'll go with the yard gar. Although Gurkha may sell it as the super duper premium. Now, as a noob I sure as hope this wasn't the cream of the crop or I may need to quit my 5 month cigar career
frozenphoenix1 Offline
#143 Posted:
Joined: 02-27-2011
Posts: 1,912
Well... the good news is you can still be a cigar smoker and continue to grow your palette. That was the yard-gar and they usually got pitched in front of the mower deck when they split like that. It was a kinky friedman Kinkycristo.

They had some good stuff right when I started smoking my self and then revisited them later on and are as bad or only slightly better than Gurkhas for blowing apart.
Puffnstuff79 Offline
#144 Posted:
Joined: 02-24-2014
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Never heard of them. Yeah, it wasn't a bad stick but had all the regular issues you're gonna get for some under $3
frozenphoenix1 Offline
#145 Posted:
Joined: 02-27-2011
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Well... they are either going out or closed at this point. I usually got them for the sole reason of yard work or walking the dog, so you won't be missing much. They are now classified in the buddies smokes box, for when others want to join me, but don't smoke cigars often.
Puffnstuff79 Offline
#146 Posted:
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The acid lover federation?
frozenphoenix1 Offline
#147 Posted:
Joined: 02-27-2011
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I don't have any acids in my collection, because I feel that I should at least provide a normal cigar to those that want to try it. If they pitch it halfway through it doesn't bother me.
frozenphoenix1 Offline
#148 Posted:
Joined: 02-27-2011
Posts: 1,912
Cigar #2 from Chazbo

This one is a 5x50 Robusto with a medium brown wrapper with a slight oilty sheen. Construction seems firm and there is only one larger vein on the wrapper. The outside smells of cedar and a bit of chocolate. I decided to punch this one as I do with most of my cigars this size. I ended up having a stem follow the punch out and just nipped that off with the pocket knife. The cold draw has a sweetness of the cocoa that I smelled before and an easy draw.

The first third started out with a wavy burn, but then tightened up fairly quickly. There is a bit of leather and cocoa taste to start this cigar. As I continued, there was a hint of spiciness left after the retrohale as well.

Into the second third, the cigar is burning well and putting off a good amount of smoke. The leather is still the predominant flavor and the sweetness has backed down a bit, leaving more of the spices on the finish. I wouldn't call it pepper anymore as it has more of a cinnamon red hot taste. I like how this cigar is changing as I move through it.

The final third is still burning really well and smoke output is still strong. The flavors are melding together very well and they have started to have a creamy finish to them left in my mouth with the pepper lingering at the end.

Overall, this cigar had some cubanesque flavors, but was missing the cedar notes for me. A good cigar overall, but just a couple of concerns: how much rest did it have? & the questionable vein on the wrapper?

Thanks for another good stick Chazbo!
chazbo Offline
#149 Posted:
Joined: 01-21-2007
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^#2 was Studio Tobac Reckoning
Chazbo
frozenphoenix1 Offline
#150 Posted:
Joined: 02-27-2011
Posts: 1,912
Well... I just got my order of those today. Glad I enjoyed it.
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