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Since I'm not believing sh%t from either side, clearly the fenceposts.

Dance drafter Dance!. Soon you'll be telling us about the relevance of his juvenile record.

and you prolly believe Rodney King was innocent also huh....

not me... that pool was innocent...

I was referring to his actions before the previous two minutes of his beating...

What does innocent or guilty have to do with being beaten by the cops again?

I swear... TW is right. If any of these people were white tax evading ranchers, you guys would be circling the wagons talking about the police overstepping and a military state. But instead, you keep trying to figure out what crime the black guy is guilty of or may have been guilty of to justify getting beaten or shot.

I don't claim to know what happened. I've got opinions on what I think the odds are for it being justified or not, but I recognize those as opinions. You've got all sorts of preconceptions you're trying to fit in so the entire thing fits your worldview.

Why?

This is a classic move by the poorly informed. It's up there with "I believe X, now it's your job to provide evidence X isn't correct".

It's your responsibility as the person making a claim to provide the necessary facts to back that sh%t up. I don't need to say why it isn't relevant. I think a smart person would understand why it isn't, but it's certainly not my responsibility to provide you with that understanding.

then you don't know the criminal justice system very well.....

I understand it just fine... fine enough not to put all my faith in it, and particularly not above the justice system of an almighty God who commanded his followers to have mercy on others, particularly the poor and needy...

I've seen you state that. But you certainly seem interested in finding information not relevant to the case to help support a different opinion.

I'm curious why you haven't been asking why we don't see any reports on the cop's history. Does he have a habit of pulling his gun for no reason? Does he have any write ups for violence?

No... you haven't asked for this. Instead you want to know what MB's juvie record is, and what he may or may not use cheap cigars for.

In this day and age of information being available everywhere, it's almost more important to consider what exactly a person is looking for. Because you're going to find it (even if it's wrong). If you're asking for his juvie records, I'm sure there's a website out there which will provide it (and it's probably fake). You'll then use that fake information to support the theory you were ALREADY looking for support of.

Same thing is true in the other direction.

My point is, the questions you are asking already indicate what you're looking to be "true". With that in mind, you're already likely to believe any dumb email chain which supports that truth and will discount anything which doesn't.

People do this naturally. We all do it, myself included. However I like to hope that if we develop a certain amount of self awareness we are able to minimize that.

I'm sure they have been.

I'm not talking about MSM. I'm talking about drafterX.

As I said... (and I'm going to type slowly so that you can read it all).

All that matters is the ACTIONS immediately preceding the kid being shot (ie, did he punch the cop? Did the cop do something to him? was he charging the cop? was he skull-f$cking the cop's ex wife? (oh yeah, the cop was divorced a year earlier.... I haven't been including it in the discussion, because I don't think it's relevant but if we're gonna be dragging up stuff that isn't relevant))

The things you are bringing up ARE NOT RELEVANT unless they have an impact on the kid's actions or the cop's actions. (And hey, at that point in time, we're talking about ACTIONS immediately preceding the shooting... funny how that works). Did the kid hit the cop because he'd just stolen some cigars and didn't want to get caught? It's the hitting of the cop that's relevant, not the "stolen cigars". Did the cop shoot the kid because he's been having a rough time of it since his wife left him and he wanted to take it out on some kid? It's the shooting of the kid that's relevant, not the ex-wife.

What makes it worse, is it turns the entire discussion into conjecture. It makes you feel better about yourself because you think you're using "facts", but you're not actually applying facts to the problem, you're using them to develop conjectures which don't actually matter. The kid's dead.

good kids don't usually hit cops.... a paranoid bad kid with a criminal or violent history just might....

let's stay on topic... that racist pool killed rodney king!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/new-evidence-supports-officers-account-of-shooting-in-ferguson/2014/10/22/cf38c7b4-5964-11e4-bd61-346aee66ba29_story.html

Ferguson, Mo., police officer Darren Wilson and Michael Brown fought for control of the officer’s gun, and Wilson fatally shot the unarmed teenager after he moved toward the officer as they faced off in the street, according to interviews, news accounts and the full report of the St. Louis County autopsy of Brown’s body.

Because Wilson is white and Brown was black, the case has ignited intense debate over how police interact with African American men. But more than a half-dozen unnamed black witnesses have provided testimony to a St. Louis County grand jury that largely supports Wilson’s account of events of Aug. 9, according to several people familiar with the investigation who spoke with The Washington Post.

Some of the physical evidence — including blood spatter analysis, shell casings and ballistics tests — also supports Wilson’s account of the shooting, The Post’s sources said, which cast Brown as an aggressor who threatened the officer’s life. The sources spoke on condition of anonymity because they are prohibited from publicly discussing the case.


The grand jury is expected to complete its deliberations next month over whether Wilson broke the law in confronting Brown, and the pending decision appears to be prompting the unofficial release of information about the case and what the jurors have been told.

The St. Louis Post-Dispatch late Tuesday night published Brown’s official county autopsy report, an analysis of which also suggests the 18-year-old may not have had his hands raised when he was fatally shot, as has been the contention of protesters who have demanded Wilson’s arrest.

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Experts told the newspaper that Brown was first shot at close range and may have been reaching for Wilson’s weapon while the officer was still in his vehicle and Brown was standing at the driver’s side window. The autopsy found material “consistent with products that are discharged from the barrel of a firearm” in a wound on Brown’s thumb, the autopsy says.

Judy Melinek, a forensic pathologist in San Francisco who reviewed the report for the Post-Dispatch, said it “supports the fact that this guy is reaching for the gun, if he has gunpowder particulate material in the wound.”

Melinek, who is not involved in the investigation, said the autopsy did not support those who claim Brown was attempting to flee or surrender when Wilson shot him in the street.

Benjamin L. Crump, a lawyer for the Brown family, said Brown’s family and supporters will not be persuaded by the autopsy report or eyewitness statements that back Wilson’s account of the incident.

“The family has not believed anything the police or this medical examiner has said,” Crump said. “They have their witnesses. We have seven witnesses that we know about that say the opposite.”

Crump also said one of the reasons the family and protesters were opposed to a grand jury proceeding was because it gives authorities too much control over what the public would learn about the case, as evidenced by the leaks.

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Yep.

Both sides have decided what happened and no amount of data will change that.