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jetblasted Offline
#201 Posted: Wed, Aug 20 2014, 4:17 PM EST
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Again, evidence of a model officer.
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#202 Posted: Wed, Aug 20 2014, 4:47 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
Also, don't forget the thumbtack theorem which states that in certain situations your butthole gets so tight you couldn't drive a thumbtack in it with a sledgehammer.


I wonder who the poor saps were that volunteered for that study... Silenced
jetblasted Offline
#203 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 3:01 AM EST
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I wonder what Donald Sterling thinks ?

Mellow
Cigar2014 Offline
#204 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 4:49 AM EST
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I was just wondering if anyone ever thought of this...since the police dept. is so hated and mistrusted there how about they just get rid of ALL police altogether in that town and see what really happens?? .. we can try this in a few towns across the country and see what happens? call it a big test!! just what-if?? [I bet the same ones who complain about the police..will be first ones asking for help..just my thought!]


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teedubbya Offline
#205 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 6:46 AM EST
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I think the my way or not at all attitude is at the heart of the issue. I don't think anyone but maybe a thug or two is suggesting no police. Police should be part of the community they are there to serve and protect, not an occupying force. Luckily most of us will never have to comprehend what that really means.
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#206 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 8:28 AM EST
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Go make me a Sammich..!! Mad
ZRX1200 Offline
#207 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 9:50 AM EST
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/20/missouri-cop-was-badly-beaten-before-shooting-michael-brown-says-source/
gryphonms Offline
#208 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 10:30 AM EST
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I see this now as 4 separate issues.

1) What actually happened?

2) The criminals need to be jailed for their crimes.

3) The peaceful protesters should be allowed to protest.

4) What is the appropriate reponse by the authorities?
DrafterX Offline
#209 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 10:44 AM EST
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gryphonms wrote:
I see this now as 4 separate issues.

1) What actually happened?
white cop shot a black kid..

2) The criminals need to be jailed for their crimes.
criminal is dead now..

3) The peaceful protesters should be allowed to protest.
as long as it's not passed curfew...

4) What is the appropriate reponse by the authorities?
to be determined by Holder...


Mellow
HockeyDad Offline
#210 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 10:53 AM EST
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Holder is gonna take all the Ferguson PD firearms and send them to Mexico.
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#211 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 10:55 AM EST
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1) We do not know the circumstances.

2) The looters and the arsonists.

3) Correct.

4) No, there have to be experts somewhere.
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#212 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 11:13 AM EST
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http://mobile.wnd.com/2014/08/black-cop-kills-white-man-media-hide-race/
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#213 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 11:20 AM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Holder is gonna take all the Ferguson PD firearms and send them to Mexico.



No he's not!

He's there brokering another Fast & Furious arms dealio!
teedubbya Offline
#214 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 11:21 AM EST
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I'm assuming Salt Lake City has a primarily black police force that is percieved as oppressing the white folk so it is apples to apples thus I am outraged.
teedubbya Offline
#215 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 11:25 AM EST
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
No he's not!

He's there brokering another Fast & Furious arms dealio!



Maybe if we all pool our funds we can get one of those 50 cal machine guns!
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#216 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 11:26 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I'm assuming Salt Lake City has a primarily black police force that is percieved as oppressing the white folk so it is apples to apples thus I am outraged.



Yep.... Salt Lake City. The whites all have it really bad there.



(Mormonism is that religion that said whites weren't real humans until some time in the late 1900s.... right?)
teedubbya Offline
#217 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 11:27 AM EST
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I heard Mit Romney is constantly being frisked by the oppressive black police force and he's sick of it.
victor809 Offline
#218 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 11:29 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
I heard Mit Romney is constantly being frisked by the oppressive black police force and he's sick of it.


Mitt should consider looting.
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#219 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 11:31 AM EST
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Eric Holder "understands" their mistrust of law enforcement.

Obumer would have simply said the cops acted stupidly.

Apology at 11:00
teedubbya Offline
#220 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 11:34 AM EST
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What bothers me from both sides of this is the complete lack of desire to really understand where the other side is comming from. It's more important to be right.

I was watching Hannity last night where he scolded a city leader he was interviewing live telling her she was a poor leader for assuming the cop was wrong to shoot the dude 6 times or more because we really don't know what happened (I agree with his point, not how he treated the person). He talked over her and tried to "teach" her (his arrogant words) Then he tried to shut down Juan Williams point before he made it (Admittedly I'm still not sure what he was trying to say). Yet he was perfectly fine with his next guest stating that the cop did nothing wrong and it was a shame it's going to take a long ugly path to get to that point. If the first guess can not draw that conclusion then neither can he.

We fall to one side or another on this **** so quickly most of us don't really care what the truth is. This may have been an execution, a panicked cop doing somehting out of adrenalin and fear that he now regrets, a legitimate self defense or many things in between. It's a sad day when wanting to get all the facts before joining the jets or the sharks is a bad thing. We did the same thing with travon whomever and the other dude (I never followed it that closely other than in here). Then one side or the other will rejoice when proven "right". This fixes nothing.

And that's just on the shooting. There are bigger issues than just the shooting but neither side really cares because they are so right. Something does need to change in that community and I suspect it must occur on multiple sides. it's not a matter of just one side must change. But to accept something must change I guess makes someone wrong. And we can't be wrong.

Signed

Fencepost.
teedubbya Offline
#221 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 11:35 AM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Mitt should consider looting.



He tried but we gave the keys to Obama.
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#222 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 11:48 AM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
What bothers me from both sides of this is the complete lack of desire to really understand where the other side is comming from. It's more important to be right.

I was watching Hannity last night where he scolded a city leader he was interviewing live telling her she was a poor leader for assuming the cop was wrong to shoot the dude 6 times or more because we really don't know what happened (I agree with his point, not how he treated the person). He talked over her and tried to "teach" her (his arrogant words) Then he tried to shut down Juan Williams point before he made it (Admittedly I'm still not sure what he was trying to say). Yet he was perfectly fine with his next guest stating that the cop did nothing wrong and it was a shame it's going to take a long ugly path to get to that point. If the first guess can not draw that conclusion then neither can he.

We fall to one side or another on this **** so quickly most of us don't really care what the truth is. This may have been an execution, a panicked cop doing somehting out of adrenalin and fear that he now regrets, a legitimate self defense or many things in between. It's a sad day when wanting to get all the facts before joining the jets or the sharks is a bad thing. We did the same thing with travon whomever and the other dude (I never followed it that closely other than in here). Then one side or the other will rejoice when proven "right". This fixes nothing.

And that's just on the shooting. There are bigger issues than just the shooting but neither side really cares because they are so right. Something does need to change in that community and I suspect it must occur on multiple sides. it's not a matter of just one side must change. But to accept something must change I guess makes someone wrong. And we can't be wrong.

Signed

Fencepost.


Dammit TW... this is why nobody likes you.


:)
HockeyDad Offline
#223 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 11:48 AM EST
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I disagree with Teedubbya
DrMaddVibe Offline
#224 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 11:52 AM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Eric Holder "understands" their mistrust of law enforcement.

Obumer would have simply said the cops acted stupidly.

Apology at 11:00





Bowing down at 11:01

Round of Golf @ 11:03

Beer Summit @ 15:00
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#225 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 12:00 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
What bothers me from both sides of this is the complete lack of desire to really understand where the other side is comming from. It's more important to be right.

...

.......Then one side or the other will rejoice when proven "right". This fixes nothing.

And that's just on the shooting. There are bigger issues than just the shooting but neither side really cares because they are so right. Something does need to change in that community and I suspect it must occur on multiple sides. it's not a matter of just one side must change. But to accept something must change I guess makes someone wrong. And we can't be wrong.

Signed

Fencepost.


Well said. Some of the bigger issues are: poverty, equal economic opportunity, race relations, access to the levers of power. All of these issues existed five decades ago, and not just in that community...

Progress is being made in some places, but we are becoming more polarized in many more. Leaders on all sides seem to ignore possible win-win solutions, insisting on a singular right one...
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#226 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 12:04 PM EST
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Obama needs to put a stop to sectarian ethnic violence in the USA. Amnesty for 20 million undocumented workers from Latin America will probably not help as the African-American community will almost surely suffer disproportionate job loss at the hands of the newly created competition.
teedubbya Offline
#227 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 12:18 PM EST
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HockeyDad wrote:
Obama needs to put a stop to sectarian ethnic violence in the USA. Amnesty for 20 million undocumented workers from Latin America will probably not help as the African-American community will almost surely suffer disproportionate job loss at the hands of the newly created competition.



on the other hand maybe they will now have a class of people theyt can oppress and it is a win win
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#228 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 12:22 PM EST
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http://abc7chicago.com/225283/

Interesting. Unarmed dog charges officer. Officer shoots dog dead (one bullet). Officer is immediately fired.

I think there is a message there....
teedubbya Offline
#229 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 12:27 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
http://abc7chicago.com/225283/

Interesting. Unarmed dog charges officer. Officer shoots dog dead (one bullet). Officer is immediately fired.

I think there is a message there....



what color was the dog?
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#230 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 12:28 PM EST
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Paws Up! Don't Shoot!
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#231 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 12:29 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
what color was the dog?


Tan-ish. Not white... maybe Jersey shore colored?
teedubbya Offline
#232 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 12:34 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
Tan-ish. Not white... maybe Jersey shore colored?



so it couldn't speak english?
victor809 Offline
#233 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 12:35 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
so it couldn't speak english?


Probably not....
teedubbya Offline
#234 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 12:36 PM EST
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well if they want to live here they should learn english. merica.
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#235 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 12:37 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
http://abc7chicago.com/225283/

Interesting. Unarmed dog charges officer. Officer shoots dog dead (one bullet). Officer is immediately fired.

I think there is a message there....


Yes, but it's not about race. Years before automotive child restraint laws became common states passed restrictions on unleashed dogs riding in the back of pickups. In general, most people are more worried about their pets than children.

Unwanted kids are aborted, unwanted pets are typically put up for adoption. There are exceptions and much hell is raised about animal shelters that euthanize animals. Really makes you proud to be a member of the human race. Sarcasm
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#236 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 12:44 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
Unwanted kids are aborted, unwanted pets are typically put up for adoption.


I couldn't find a shelter that would take my kids.
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#237 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 12:45 PM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
Yes, but it's not about race. Years before automotive child restraint laws became common states passed restrictions on unleashed dogs riding in the back of pickups. In general, most people are more worried about their pets than children.

Unwanted kids are aborted, unwanted pets are typically put up for adoption. There are exceptions and much hell is raised about animal shelters that euthanize animals. Really makes you proud to be a member of the human race. Sarcasm


To get slightly off topic, one could argue that it should make us proud to be a member of the human race. It shows that some percentage of our race understands the responsibility we have towards a species we have essentially bred to be dependent on us. Additionally it shows we have the ability to care for things outside of our immediate species survival. Blah blah blah.

Anyway, none of it matters cuz I heard drafter had kicked the puppy first anyway.
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#238 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 12:46 PM EST
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dstieger wrote:
I couldn't find a shelter that would take my kids.


I could probably get them to a ..... shelter.... in China. for a small finders fee. :)

Do they have small, nimble fingers?
teedubbya Offline
#239 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 12:47 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
To get slightly off topic, one could argue that it should make us proud to be a member of the human race. It shows that some percentage of our race understands the responsibility we have towards a species we have essentially bred to be dependent on us. Additionally it shows we have the ability to care for things outside of our immediate species survival. Blah blah blah.

Anyway, none of it matters cuz I heard drafter had kicked the puppy first anyway.




that's no way to talk about the people of ferguson. shame on you.
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#240 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 12:49 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
that's no way to talk about the people of ferguson. shame on you.



*rimshot*!
teedubbya Offline
#241 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 12:52 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
*rimshot*!



freak
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#242 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 1:32 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:

Anyway, none of it matters cuz I heard drafter had kicked the puppy first anyway.



Mad
Gene363 Offline
#243 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 2:42 PM EST
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victor809 wrote:
To get slightly off topic, one could argue that it should make us proud to be a member of the human race. It shows that some percentage of our race understands the responsibility we have towards a species we have essentially bred to be dependent on us. Additionally it shows we have the ability to care for things outside of our immediate species survival. Blah blah blah.

Anyway, none of it matters cuz I heard drafter had kicked the puppy first anyway.


Yeah, I suppose it's a nice consolation prize.
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#244 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 3:07 PM EST
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Why should anyone care about what happens to people that negatively impact our society and will always do so?
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#245 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 3:14 PM EST
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gryphonms wrote:
Why should anyone care about what happens to people that negatively impact our society and will always do so?


Agreed.
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#246 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 3:21 PM EST
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teedubbya wrote:
What bothers me from both sides of this is the complete lack of desire to really understand where the other side is comming from. It's more important to be right.

I was watching Hannity last night where he scolded a city leader he was interviewing live telling her she was a poor leader for assuming the cop was wrong to shoot the dude 6 times or more because we really don't know what happened (I agree with his point, not how he treated the person). He talked over her and tried to "teach" her (his arrogant words) Then he tried to shut down Juan Williams point before he made it (Admittedly I'm still not sure what he was trying to say). Yet he was perfectly fine with his next guest stating that the cop did nothing wrong and it was a shame it's going to take a long ugly path to get to that point. If the first guess can not draw that conclusion then neither can he.

We fall to one side or another on this **** so quickly most of us don't really care what the truth is. This may have been an execution, a panicked cop doing somehting out of adrenalin and fear that he now regrets, a legitimate self defense or many things in between. It's a sad day when wanting to get all the facts before joining the jets or the sharks is a bad thing. We did the same thing with travon whomever and the other dude (I never followed it that closely other than in here). Then one side or the other will rejoice when proven "right". This fixes nothing.

And that's just on the shooting. There are bigger issues than just the shooting but neither side really cares because they are so right. Something does need to change in that community and I suspect it must occur on multiple sides. it's not a matter of just one side must change. But to accept something must change I guess makes someone wrong. And we can't be wrong.

Signed

Fencepost.


Shows to go ya.
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
victor809 Offline
#247 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 7:17 PM EST
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opelmanta1900 wrote:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/20/missouri-cop-was-badly-beaten-before-shooting-michael-brown-says-source/

Darren Wilson, the Ferguson, Mo., police officer whose fatal shooting of Michael Brown touched off more than a week of demonstrations, suffered severe facial injuries, including an orbital (eye socket) fracture, and was nearly beaten unconscious by Brown moments before firing his gun, a source close to the department's top brass told FoxNews.com.

“The Assistant (Police) Chief took him to the hospital, his face all swollen on one side,” said the insider. “He was beaten very severely.”

.....

Wilson suffered a fractured eye socket in the fracas, and was left dazed by the initial confrontation, the source said. He is now "traumatized, scared for his life and his family, injured and terrified" that a grand jury, which began hearing evidence on Wednesday, will "make some kind of example out of him," the source said.


Now the news is saying he did NOT have any breaks. He went to the hospital with "face swelling" and nothing was broken.
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#248 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 7:18 PM EST
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tailgater wrote:
Shows to go ya.
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.




Twice a day??? That's a bit of a stretch goal for TW. Can we shoot for "right 1x a week"? for TW?
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#249 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 7:24 PM EST
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Whitey sucks !!

wheel,
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#250 Posted: Thu, Aug 21 2014, 7:31 PM EST
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Star Witness In Michael Brown Shooting Charged With Theft, Filing False Police Report
By Larry O'Connor 11 hours ago


Dorian Johnson, the primary witness to the shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, has an outstanding warrant for a 2011 theft in Jefferson City and pleaded guilty for filing a false police report related to that theft.

St. Louis ABC affiliate ABC 17 cross referenced Johnson’s name against several records and discovered the warrant.

Johnson will be the star witness for any potential prosecution proceedings against Officer Darren Wilson for the shooting of Brown. Johnson was walking with Brown when the shooting occurred.

He has already done multiple media appearances where he falsely claimed Brown was shot by Wilson in the back. He also has claimed that Brown never reached for Wilson’s gun, was “shot like an animal” and that Brown had his hands up and told Wilson he was unarmed.

Johnson’s claims helped inspire the protests and riots in Ferguson over the past 10 days, as well as the “Hands up, don’t shoot” rallying cry of the protesters and their supporters.

The St. Louis Post-Dispatch has details about the 2011 charges against Johnson:

During the summer after his first semester at Lincoln, Johnson was charged with a misdemeanor after giving police a false first name after he was arrested on suspicion of theft. He later pleaded guilty.

He was accused of stealing a package containing a backpack belonging to someone else from an apartment complex. When he was arrested in that case, he identified himself as Derrick Johnson and said he was 16.

He is wanted for failing to appear in Jefferson City municipal court to answer to the theft charge, court officials said.

According to the Post-Dispatch, the president of the local chapter of the NAACP knew about the charges against Johnson, but the fact that he was guilty of lying to the police didn’t matter:

Adolphus Pruitt, president of the St. Louis NAACP chapter, which has been encouraging witnesses to come forward, said Johnson’s false report case “doesn’t concern me.”

“He’s been very clear about what occurred, and now we have … four others stating facts that support the statements he’s been making,” Pruitt said. “Why would that diminish other accounts that are relatively the same?”

Whether or not Johnson committed the crime, lied to police, or is proven false on his account of how Brown was shot by Wilson, finding out what actually happened in the Ferguson shooting will require more evidence and multiple eye-witness accounts. It is important for neither the mainstream media nor armchair pundits to act like they definitively know what happened in this tragic event.

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/170048-star-witness-michael-brown-shooting-charged-theft-filing-false-police-report/
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